Let it go , they shall learn quickly!! Anybody want a launch??

Not evil, just learning the hard way hardly hurt most people. Im fairy new to this sport and when you help people and they do not listen then it is up to them (bad luck). The other day at kiting spot brighton there was a learner with a brisbane instructor going out in too much wind (prob 25-30) with idiots like this teaching it is only time for trouble, sometime cant blame student with bad teacher

A Feudian slip... must be the troll in him

Pezz, I'm the one launching the thing. It the riders responsibility to sort out how far upwind/downwind they are. Its a bit easier for them to move then me carry the kite.

You get the problem where they unwind there lines upwind and don't walk around downwind far enough before sorting their **** out. Especially with bow kites, its near impossible to hold them because the bridle gets in the way and it supports the kite in the flying position not allowing you to turn it down.

With a C you can just flip it forwards bringing the top tip down. With a bow you can't put it down unless you slack the lines.

Of course, there's the other side to this story.
Some launchers (that's the guy holding the kite) are kite-klutzs from hell.[}:)]
Rather than just releasing the loaded kite at launch time,
they tend to toss it up on some weird angle,
generally straight downwind in search of a death rotor.
Sick and evil.

How about some communication so that NEWB's learn how to get an assisted launch rather than a post proclaiming that you won't launch them. How will they learn.

What you should have an issue with is seasoned kiters that when asked for a launch DRAG your kite all over the friggin sand potentially causing damage to it.

What do you say to these idiots?

Rich_76

Didnt mention saturday did i ?, was within 2weeks before that, glad you had a good ride, you deserve it.

Wal269

Hope one day you have children, i guess you shall be so perfect that when your child annoy the crap outa you or damages something you shall remember to your worldly advice and say "the kid is learning i will not get angry just smile caus i was a child once??" Get knighted and you help all dumb newbs.....

carbine:

I make it a point with anyone I'm launching to make sure between the two of us that the kite is in an appropriate position. With someone who is experienced they will do it themselves anyway, with a newb it doesn't hurt to tell them. I even made it a point to go and tell a newb the other day who was being launched by a civilian that he should move otherwise I would get a ding in my car when he got dragged into it, not to mention the disruption his flailing body would make to the people sitting in front of it when he bounced off and got dragged through them. He appreciated the advice.

It also depends on the launch site. If there isn't much room, or an obstacle upwind of them, it may be necessary for me to move with the kite rather than them with the bar.

Why can't we all just play nice together???

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Originally posted by richrelative

Not evil, just learning the hard way hardly hurt most people. Im fairy new to this sport and when you help people and they do not listen then it is up to them (bad luck). The other day at kiting spot brighton there was a learner with a brisbane instructor going out in too much wind (prob 25-30) with idiots like this teaching it is only time for trouble, sometime cant blame student with bad teacher

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Originally posted by Rich_76

Hey richrelative...25-30 at Brighton on Saturday (I assume...the Brighton near Brisbane)???...more like 15-20 mate....just perfect for a lesson.

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Hey guys - We were down at the pool on Saturday, just south of Brighton about 2.3 k's or so. Just three of us out from 12ish to 5ish, and because of the direction, we didn't get the full 'kick' of the wind until we kited out about 150m's out, and then it really kicked in.

Rhys was on a 12m, I was on a 10m and Jp was on a 9m. I can comfortablly hold my 10m down with no depower in up to 19 knots, then once it hits 23 knots, I am on about 1/2 depower. I not only had my kite lines on depower, but my depower strap on also, and could just comfortably hold my kite.

I know they must be different people you are talking about but there were two guys there, and a girl, all of which barely spoke any English, but we were informed by them, that they had never had a lesson, didn't know what they were doing (launching fully downwind the 1st time), and wouldn't take any advice that it was unsafe conditions for a 13m kite and a complete beginner in these conditions and without any lessons.

There seem to be many people around who fail to take advice, and luckily he wasn't hurt too badly. Thrown quite a few times and lofted off the water, not wearing a safety, and managed to get 'distanced' from the kite and ran after it. We were lucky there weren't any serious injuries with these guys, but when people do not take your advice, there is only so much you can do.

I don't know who the instructor was, but I would not have personally have given a lesson on Saturday due to the sudden gusty winds which fluctuated throughout the afternoon, and espectially no on Sunday when the winds were very unpredictable and rain and wind squalls were very noticeable and warned.

Sunday afternoon was the day which readed 28 knot gusts. From 12-2 it was fairly strong and consistant (19-24), but from 2-3, rain squals started to set in, very strong gusts were coming, so we came in. About 20 minutes after we came in and about 5 other guys decided to come in also, there were about 3 more guys out there kiting in squally, raining, gusting winds on a 9 and 12m kites. Somewhat 'experienced' guys, but nonetheless, strong squally winds, with heavy rain, means safety is a must in these conditions!

Safety First

Good winds for all

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PS there has been lots of talk lately about a new 'instructor' giving lessons round here, not long ago a student himself, apparently not the most cautious/responsible guy to be teaching. Maybe that's who people are commenting on?

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Dave, I have no idea on who they are talking about as a new 'instructor' around the Brighton/pool area, and have only seen the 'regular' instructors out there (bar one guy I've seen teaching his gf) - I only know of the main instructos who frequent brighton/ pool and wello. No idea about the other guy mentioned

Good winds

I launch anyone.
If they are not doing things right, I show them how to do it right, that way I don't have to deal with that problem again.

If someone is shown this courtesy, then it is highly likely that when they are asked by a newer newbie who is frigging around, that they will help newer newbie learn to do it better.

Doing things this way leads to better outcomes for all kitesurfers.
Any other way is a just a waste typing and time.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

I don't think RR ever knows what he is talking about.

Fitzy Gold Coast OZ

Yeah steve but your little lesson will cost them about 140 bucks