climate change equals more wind and vic wont be so bloody cold. bring on the greenhouse gasses. bring back leaded engines and everyone go cut a tree down for humanity

Change starts from the bottom - we are the consumers, it is our decisions that influence the 'big blokes'. If you feel you need a 4x4 to go shopping and get your kite gear to the beach, then you are just playing into their hands. Every small thing you can do (or don't do) can make a difference, so why not do it? If you saw a bleeding man in the street, would you also say 'oh he's screwed, I'm not doing anything' - I doubt it. You'd find something to stop the flow. Same with your world - don't just walk on by. Be something in your life, make a difference. Or you could just sit back and, get old and let it all go to **** - including yourselves.

lookup im not saying dont do anything, im just saying face reality. As i said im all for fixing it, and trying to make a difference. Your example of a bleeding man is kinda off the mark, anyway we are on the same page for the most part. Sure we little poeple can make a change, but really ARE we????

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Originally posted by sleek1

climate change equals more wind and vic wont be so bloody cold. bring on the greenhouse gasses. bring back leaded engines and everyone go cut a tree down for humanity

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And some gas masks as well.
How selfish, are you really a kitesurfer?

To add to debate re recorded temperature change.

Saw a show on kn SBS once that basicall went through and debunked the planks on which the supporter of rapid climate change rely on. Can't remember them all, but here are two:

1) Increased Recorded Temperatures - of course recorded temperatures are rapidly rising. Urban areas are a conglomerate of bitumin, buildings, etc with very little vegetation. Such areas trap more heat. Where is temperature largely recorded? - in the middle of cities that have rapidly grown over the past 50 years. An example was given of large temperature change in Las Vegas (nothing more than a small village 50 years ago) as compared to a nearby town that had not grown at all where the measured temperature has largely remained the same
2) observed changes in the level of the sea in Pacific - argues that the sea has not risen as these islands are actually sinking.

Although the show did not conclude Greenhouse is rubbish, it argued that the forecast changes are not as severe as the climate "expects" are otherwise making out. It argues that proponents of Greenhouse are rewarded by government funding, sale of books, etc, and gave examples. Further (which seems to be the problem in kn America - the land of free speech - not), you will be a pariah if you dare to argue against Greenhouse (like will probably happen on this Forum).

So kn there

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Originally posted by bondo

I hereby pledge to stop eating baked beans.

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But you'll starve to death... you can't cook anything else.

To those who say that it means f-all on the geological time scale, so do humans. If we all die the earth will still be here, but that doesn't help us.

It sounds to me like a whole lot of you are sticking your heads in the sand because you don't want things to have to change. Ok so what if it is a load of malarky? What if it isn't? Can you be sure either way? So wouldn't it to be best to err on the side of caution and try and reduce carbon emissions anyway. Does it hurt to put your name down on a website saying you're concerned? I have done it and I haven't recieved any hassles, no spam or anything like that.

And then if you think there might be something to it you can start riding your bicycle to work or catching public transport, the bicycle idea having added benefit for your health as well.

If there is global warming going on we don't want too many of those days that get so hot they cancel the Doctor's visits. That's my biggest concern (apart from lack of food and water because of drought). The Perth season better still turn it on, otherwise I'm moving there for nothing...

If the climate changes back to an ice-age,
we now know how to fix that.
Just chop down all the trees and pump gases into the sky.
Easy.
Globe warms up nicely.

Scientists are people!
People believe all sorts of bull!
Half of everyone on this planet thinks there's a God!
Scientists actually say they have proof there is a god.
They might even write a book.
If it makes it to a book then thats it its all over!
Someone will read that book and take that as proof!

Ok, I have Scientists so it must be real.
Phillip Stott, London university proffessor of biogeography.

"we had a medievil warm period from 800 to 1300 followed by a little ice age until around 1900". "during the medievil warm period the world was warmer than it is today".

I found this in a book, It must be true!

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Ok then, rather than trying to prove that there is global warming, since you won't believe it, you prove to me that there isn't.

head in sand, head in sand....

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when sensationalist claims are made the burden of proof is on the claimer.

head up arse, head up arse....

Ah yes the good old Ice Age theory.

I like this one.

I don't suppose it matters much that the 'experts' behind this 'theory' are funded by Exxon now does it?

No, not at all

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Ah yes the good old Ice Age theory.

I like this one.

I don't suppose it matters much that the 'experts' behind this 'theory' are funded by Exxon now does it?

No, not at all

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Probably then that can be my last point (bored now!)

You have a scientist who supports you.
I have a scientist who supports me.
You can spend forever discrediting me and mine and vice versa.

Why not throw all of your energies behind some of the worlds real problems. The ones that dont need to be argued because, they just are!
Try poverty,aids,racial inequality, terrorism,north korea and a real nuclear threat coming from a rogue country with a military of over a million.
We dont need 'hippies' making up problems for this world, we got plenty!

except I never actually said any of those things - you just assumed that is what I believe. Your attitude is typical of global warmening fanatics, as is the vilification of scientists that present alternative views based on their reputation or funding. Typically in science the results of research is presented along with the methodology that produced the results, meaning the study can be conducted by other parties to confirm or discredit the result. The new climate science method is to ignore both the result and the methodology if it doesn't confirm the warmening trend and vilify the scientists by discrediting them personally or tracing the funding back to big oil or other nefarious groups. In the long run this will not help us understand our climate, which is a more complex system than is being presented to us by the media, and it will be bad for science as a whole. But hey, you've read the weather makers and watched Big-Als movie, so I guess they are the final conclusive words on the topic.

Also - Its pretty funny that you're a mining engineer, and you're lecturing people about the environment. You'd fit in well with all the pseudo greenies that spend two hours in traffic getting to and from their office every day.

In the words of a good friend of mine...

Folks, Id like to sing a song about the Australian Dream
About me, about you
About the way our Australian hearts beat way down in the bottom of our chests
About that special feeling we get in the cockles of our hearts
Maybe below the cockles,
Maybe in the sub cockle area,
Maybe in the liver, maybe in the kidneys,
Maybe even in the colon, we dont know

Im just a regular Paul, with a regular job
Im your average white, suburbanised slob
I like kitesurfing and porno and books about porn
I got an average house, with a dodgy carpet floor
My wife and my job, my kids and my car
My feet on my table, and a Jamaican "cigar"

But sometimes that just aint enough to keep a man like me interested
(oh no, no way, uh uh)
No I gotta go out and have fun at someone elses expense
(woah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah)
I kite really slow in the ultra flat water
While people behind me are going insane

Im an ass**** (hes an ass**** ,what an ass**** )
Im an ass**** (hes an ass**** , such an ass**** )

I use public beaches and I leave my lines out
I walk around in the summer time saying "where's the north easterly?"

Im an ass**** (hes an ass**** ,what an ass**** )
Im an ass**** (hes the worlds biggest ass**** )

Sometimes I kite in windsurfer spaces
While windsurfer people make windsurfer faces

Im an ass**** (hes an ass**** ,what an ass**** )
Im an ass**** (hes a real freaking ass**** )

Maybe I shouldnt be singing this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe theyre right when they tell me Im wrong...
Nah


you get the point...