CONDEMN Night Kiting as DANGEROUS

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sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
1 Mar 2007 12:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by airhead

will be staying in safety bay this long weekend one street back from the beach! might come and join you if i'm not too "liquored up" myself!!


Hey! What a contradiction --> NIGHT kiting in SAFETY bay.

BTW, getting "liquored up" will help heaps with this caper. That way the you wont feel so much pain as you get killed or seriously injured.

Now here's a thought. I got seriously roasted when I casually suggested (paid) lessons werent necessary, after posting a pic of my kite in a tree when I got too close to one in light wind. Ppl made out like there was too much wind and I got planted in it and was lucky to be alive (etc) and as if I was a kook, even though I said right up front that there was almost no wind.

And now here's you guys talking about night kiting as if its real cool, and safety doesnt mean a damn thing.

So where are all those hypocrites now who made me apologise for not supporting (paid) lessons? Why am I the only one here now putting these kooks in their place ?

C'mon Seabreezers show some support for your sport and CONDEMN this practice (night kiting) as DANGEROUS and its practitioners as DANGEROUS FOOLS.

NB This is a repost - I just wanted it to be a seperate topic.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
1 Mar 2007 2:29pm
hey groper let them be.

I mean - what could possibly go wrong?
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
1 Mar 2007 2:46pm
Some people only learn through a bad experience perhaps this is what they need !

I would be interested in hearing from AKSA or similar associations in relation to this. ie are they covered insurance wise to kite at night. I know that through membership you are covered public liability wise. I dont think this would apply at night with the incorrect light signals etc...... A night time rescue any rescue for that matter could be a costly experience. Not to mention loking like a total KOOK on the nightly news for going out at night!

A well lit safe calm area ( boat harbour, small lake, etc.. ) I myself might be tempted to try it !
But in the out in the Sea. Not for me !
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
1 Mar 2007 2:19pm
I'd be curious to hear what some of the masters might have to say on the matter too, like Darren Marshall or Ian Young?
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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1 Mar 2007 1:34pm
What if you lived in a place where the wind only blew at night?

I bet you would learn to love it
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
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1 Mar 2007 2:36pm
There's nothing wrong with boating at night to technically they wouldn't be doing anything illegal as long as they have all the neccessary lights on their boards which can be visible to all other boaters in the area i.e. red light on the port side of the craft and green on the starboard side of the craft - I imagine these would have to be on little posts so that they extend above the water level. Also you would not be able to ride switch unless you had some way of reversing the lights.
It's definately not legal to operate water craft whilst liquored up other than the fact that it greatly increases your chances of drowning (day or night).

Night kiting is fine as long as it is in controlled conditions and not being done as a stunt

Also, sandgroper - there's nothing wrong with saying "paid lessons aren't neccessary" - there are many kiters out threre including myself and heaps of the crew up here and on seabreeze that did not have paid lessons. I would never discourage someone from having paid lessons - however for some people they are not neccessary.
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
1 Mar 2007 1:57pm
Best to contact Emma at AKSA directly re the insurance question.

I agree with sunseeker...if you're going to go out at night, you are a water craft and should follow the rules as such.
111111sam
111111sam
36 posts
36 posts
1 Mar 2007 2:24pm
hahah yous are so lame, get a life its jsut abit of fun....Wankers
airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
WA, 814 posts
1 Mar 2007 3:36pm
hey sandgroper, for comprehension you score a great big NIL!!!!

as i said, will be staying in safety bay this long weekend one street back from the beach! MIGHT come and join you if i'm NOT TOO "liquored up" myself!!

have another angry pill ya tosser...
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
1 Mar 2007 4:40pm
Hi Guys,

Technically there is no problem so long as the riders comply with WA boating regulations for operating a vessel at night. Also as long as you kite with added precautions taken. As we come under "Sailing Vessel" you would need to have nav lights. I think that small vessels can get away with using just a 360 degree white light.

I would recommend attaching red and green glow sticks to the kites wingtips and a white or yellow glow stick to your board in addition to the white light on your person. As you are not actually "steaming" or under power you probably don't need a "steaming" light and you are not moored so do not require an "at anchor" mast head light.

If you kite with a friend and keep closish to shore and play it extra safe, it shouldn't void any insurance conditions unless there is a specific clause mentioning hours of coverage. I'm not a lawyer and wouldn't want to go to court over this one if an accident occurred resulting in a claim which is why I wouldn't do it.

Play it extra safe and check out the site before you go out (ie in daylight hours) to scope out for any submerged dangers that will be invisible in the darkened conditions.

Be careful and have fun,



lurch
lurch
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
1 Mar 2007 4:49pm
Shark Bay on the full moon with a low tide and 20 kts of wind. Oh what fun I use to have on my own with an esky full of beers on the beach.
Nite kites rock!!
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
1 Mar 2007 6:51pm
All in all, night kitesurfing is dangerous. Unless a full moon night, you can't see too far, nor even the kite, you can't see if anything floats on the water, if you are not using lights, somone else cannot see you, the reaction distance increases significantly.
But, what is not dangerous in today day to day life? Even walking on the footpath is dangerous.
However, in strict controlled conditions, on a well lit beach, or on a full moon night, not going too far out (stay within aprox 100 m from the shore line), and in shallow water (if you have to drop the kite, you'll have to be able to swimm/walk a small distance), have someone on the beach with light signals (to know were is your return point) and definitelly use a kite leash (you don't want to loose your pride and joy in the darkness), I think night kitesurfing id "doable".
With the ultra light/ultra bright led lights, you can fit one at each attachement point of the front lines to the kite, and here you are visible and you can see the kite too (the only problem will still remain the "red light on the port side of the craft and green on the starboard side of the craft", which i still do not know how to solve it, unless there are available dual red/green lights, strictly directional.
Cheers.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
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1 Mar 2007 5:51pm
Thanks Darren.

Hey two more posts and you crack the kiloton .

I know what I'm doing Saturday morning now, looking for glowsticks and white lights. Hope no-one mistakes me for a raver...
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
1 Mar 2007 7:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by 111111sam

hahah yous are so lame, get a life its jsut abit of fun....Wankers



i might have put it a nicer way myself, but basically i agree with this.

Also it would be cool to see a night kite video appear on you tube with one of those night vision cameras. See if you can't get hold of one.
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
1 Mar 2007 7:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by airhead

hey sandgroper, for comprehension you score a great big NIL!!!!

as i said, will be staying in safety bay this long weekend one street back from the beach! MIGHT come and join you if i'm NOT TOO "liquored up" myself!!

have another angry pill ya tosser...




I find after about 2-3 beers my kite won't stay up anyway
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
1 Mar 2007 8:56pm
Oh great King, I'm a missen you...kiting at night with the beasties and a few brewskies, now that sounds like FUN.
GranG
GranG
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
2 Mar 2007 1:14pm
Night kiting in a full moon... mmmm

If you are going to do it anyway, I would say in addition to using the GlowSticks colours on your kite for each side, I recommend one or two on your board ... to find it when it slips off... Some colours work better than others...
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
2 Mar 2007 3:49pm
kiting at night is quite a bit more dangerous.
but NOT as dangerous as kiting without lessons.

111111sam
111111sam
36 posts
36 posts
2 Mar 2007 2:02pm
It is also not as dangerous as drivin a car, walkin across the street and hanging out with congo abrezio.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
2 Mar 2007 2:30pm
o man, so dangerous, i reckon if you make it past the 1000s of sharks dont get hit by a wayward amphibious boat and dont wrap your kites together you are the luckiest person alive but it will never happen cus we all are going to phone the fun police, insurance and pretty much try are hardest to keep perth as boring, lifeless and petty as we can.
(sarcastic rant over)
night kiting is probably less dangerous than going for a legit kiteloop, we should ban kiteloops as well, hell kiting is dangerous as it is going out at night just makes it as dangerous for the experienced kiters as when they first went out.

Pat... if you want to give me a lift down there and back im all for it, sand groper... you can watch from shore if its too much fun for you.
[kiting at night with appropriate precautions is not dangerous enough to warrant getting your knickers in a knot]

oi AP come along... your kids should be in bed by then and it shouldnt go too far past your bed time just revvvving you up AP, i will get you a present to make up for (apparently) abusing you
Menace
Menace
NT
16 posts
NT, 16 posts
2 Mar 2007 4:37pm
Dont forget that night kiting gets in the way of beer drinking too!
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
2 Mar 2007 5:37pm
I agree if you don't want to night kite thats your problem no one wants to hear your sh1t, guess what going kiting is dangerous grow a ****ing moustache!
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
2 Mar 2007 7:34pm
i see the tone of this thread has changed for the better.

LONG LIVE FUN!!!!

Make it a regular event. Form a full moon club.

glow sticks would definately be a good idea. but only for yourself not so everyone else can see you.

would be cool to jump over a couple of fishermen in their dingy.

Frighten the absolute $hit out of them ha ha ha!!!

can't wait to hear how you guys get on tonight.

have fun.....
Red rocket
Red  rocket
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
2 Mar 2007 8:54pm
kiting is dangerous.
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
2 Mar 2007 11:03pm
quote:
Originally posted by Red rocket

kiting is dangerous.



that's also true

but apparently so are inernet forums. Especially for little boys and girls who get predated on by old men with moustaches.......
Adz
Adz
WA
120 posts
Adz Adz
WA, 120 posts
2 Mar 2007 9:19pm
quote:
Originally posted by Menace

Dont forget that night kiting gets in the way of beer drinking too!



Just need to attach a stuby holder to your harness and the two joys become one, I can't believe I'm the first to say it but.....Harden the F... Up fellas. My old club used to skydive on a full moon every two months through summer...just gotta be organised and play it safe as mention earlier..
NorthSide
NorthSide
WA
238 posts
WA, 238 posts
2 Mar 2007 9:33pm
I'm keen, have done it in front of Perth city in the pitch black from South Perth foreshore twice. Was alot of fun.
kiteastrophy
kiteastrophy
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
2 Mar 2007 10:32pm
i don't see what the problem is. If you have a problem why not do all your night kiting during the day?
watto82
watto82
18 posts
18 posts
2 Mar 2007 10:59pm
Hey kiteastrophy
With a name like that sounds like you've done your fair share of night kiting.

Has anyone tried putting a light on there board and pulling in some squid, my grandpa told me back when he was a boy they use to kite every other night for squid during the depression when there wasn't much food. Actually thats how he met my grandma... under a cold autumn moonlight night he was on a naish x4 she was on a wipika she was a tad overpowered and that was before he even got her to shore.
But of course back then you didn't need nav lights coz if you put them on the british would shoot you down thinking you were a u boat.
ahh the good old days!
kite boy
kite boy
WA
354 posts
WA, 354 posts
2 Mar 2007 11:04pm
if you get us banned from safety bay we will come looking for you and alot of angry local crew will not be happy and this is rockingham not perth so just way up the risks
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
3 Mar 2007 1:25am
Kite boy I seriously hope your joking man... If not, you are bang out of order.

Gone are the old days when the rock was the rock No Bay boys or river rats anymore Dude. you may not even know what I'm talking about if your only 15. Rocko is no longer the town south of perth, It's got in the vicinity of over 150,000.

Please as a local twice your age and have lived here for 30 years and seen all the changes, I suggest you should perhaps speak more for yourself and not for the group and community.

If some guy's decide to be dangerous and go through with this, then I believe they understand there maybe risk. But not the one your talking about. You and who's army. Becareful, there are some crazy people in this world. I'm one of them, when provoked that is.

BTW your comments are provocative [}:)][}:)]
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