Noosa kiters....what the?

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Bigwavedave
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4 May 2007 11:47am
This item is from today's Sunshine Coast Daily

"High flyers on notice

04.05.2007
By Peter Gardiner
MARINE thrillseekers may have to go surf a kite outside the Noosa River mouth if Mayor Bob Abbot and council staff get their way.

Noosa council is seeking to have the State Government introduce new marine zones in the most crowded river stretches and where there is often conflict between water users.

Mr Abbot told council he had no truck with cowboy kite surfers who represent a hazard to other vessels crossing Noosa’s notoriously narrow, shallow bar.

The mayor said these wave-jumping wind-chasers who gathered in numbers at the river mouth, did not give a damn about anyone else.

“I was talking to one boat operator who said one (kite surfer) came right at him and then jumped up over him deliberately,” Mr Abbot said.
Council staff said local commercial boat charter operators had lodged complaints about kite surfing there and “kiters” would be able to have their say as part of the public consultation process involved with the proposed zones.

Surfing and wind surfing would also be banned at the mouth because of the navigational risks to motorised craft and freestyle jumping would be banned in all parts of the river.
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Hey Noosa dudes! It sounds like you guys need to band together to fight this! The only way to fight government regulation is by self-regulation. You gotta have a local club and set up a kiting code-of-conduct. You have one of the best spots in Australia...don't lose it. With a looming amalgamation of the three Sunshine Coast Councils, this may be the first area of many to be restricted.

Use AKSA's resources and ask for help. That's what AKSA is for. Ignoring the situation won't make it go away.

dustin
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4 May 2007 12:10pm
noooooooooooooooo, i kite there heaps and never seen any stupid activity like jumping over boats, i can see why boatist are annoyed, with 40 kiters in the river its takes boats a fair while to get out sometimes. but the charter boats come up to the river just to watch the kiters and everyone on the beach sits there all day watching people.... i rekon we have a good case and can fight this, whose up for egging Bob Abbots house? noosa river is too good a spot to get banned
Blownaway
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4 May 2007 1:16pm
whatno way,we have to fight this boys an girls.
The river belongs to us as much as the boats,whats there problem!
Seems to me these polys have way to much power and they just want to make Noosa a place for the Hasting st touros and if anything is fun well just ban it. How would they like it if we banned golf on there fav course because a ball might hit someone on the head.
Yeah an as for boat operaters if they cant navigate through a few kiters that get out of there way when they/we see them coming they had better not attempt a bar crossing!! I mean come on!Talk about over reacting.What ever happened to sharing the river?,its not like we use it every day.
ps I am a boat owner an have no problems or hazards with kites, I wounder if Bob owns a boat an really knows what a hazard is or is he another arm chair warrior or side line cynic.
thunderduck
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4 May 2007 6:53pm
yer i have just started kiting and i live in noosa love the sport, and for me the only real place i can get to easily is the river mouth. im not gonna let some fat ass take away what i love and im sure every other person who kites would feel the same. so lets do what ever we can to save our spot and if it does get banned im still gonna kite there like how are they possibly gonna inforce it, with out knowing who you are they cant do ****.
windpig
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4 May 2007 9:09pm
souds like the locall kiters will be fighting the cashed up southern
set, "Noosa" , Melbourne's most northern suburb.
Keahi
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4 May 2007 10:54pm
That sucks. If its gets banned there, a lot of people will be really pissed off including me. I cant believe they are trying to ban it. We have barely even kited there this year due to **** wind and i havnt seen any dangerous incedents. We definitely need to fight this. Not happy
viffer
viffer
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4 May 2007 11:48pm
I kite in noosa occasionally and boat there also.

I must admit I have had the occasional kiter try some crazy **** really close to me when in a boat.

I am amazed that the complaints are not coming from the beach (probably because most of the people are tourists) as that is where I see the dangerous stuff occurring.

big wave dave is right. self regulation is the key here guys. surely one of the local kiters must know someone on the council as it is not a big shire?
Charl dv
Charl dv
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4 May 2007 10:52pm
thez a simple way to solve this, happened in auckland's east side beaches aswell. a simple way to solve the problem is set up a council of senior or veteran kiters to set up rules n regulations for the beaches eg. all kiters must give way to boats, keep a clear distance of 50m minimum, no jumping near power vessels etc etc. then it becomes their job to enforce the rules by banning specific kiters that do these dodgy things. its crusial that we preserve such great spots otherwise we'll end up kiting in dirty chop for the rest of our lives
max_ob
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5 May 2007 8:55am
i'm with charl dv on this...


if you don't show that you are being pro-active and prepared to self regulate, and sort out the obvious few with foolish behaviour that kite there...you'll all be finding somewhere else to kite!


common sense at all times when others, especially boaties and beach goers are involved
Keahi
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5 May 2007 9:06am
Whats really annoying is that most people do the right thing and stay away from people and boats. But then the occaisional dickhead does something stupid and its in the process of being banned. It sucks that one or two people might ruin it for the rest of us
mrbonk
mrbonk
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5 May 2007 10:44am
quote:
Originally posted by Keahi

Whats really annoying is that most people do the right thing and stay away from people and boats. But then the occaisional dickhead does something stupid and its in the process of being banned. It sucks that one or two people might ruin it for the rest of us



Legislation to the lowest common denominator. It's the Australian way unfortunately
rooey
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5 May 2007 1:27pm
Ive been working on the floating restaurant all week on Noosa Riv,I talk to the guy's that do pro charter's and they reckon NONE of them have made any complaints,I gave 'Bill' owner operater a burn of Best's ozzy chapter the one on the river showing his boat,'Thriller'in it and he was rapt,I will be looking into this cause I aint happy about the ban and will do my best to get to the bottom of this **** and find out who the WHINGER is,Tourists love watching the kiteing and people actually come down especialy to watch in amazement the hot kiteing that takes place there,yes everything that is free and fun in getting banned in our over regulated town,what next? .....SOLIDARITY ON THIS ONE NOOSA KITER'S...roop p.s I'll find out when the coucil meeting is on and inform ya's and we need to have as many KITE reps there as possible
511kev
511kev
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5 May 2007 1:29pm
Noosa guys - form a club if you don't already have one. Council prefer to speak with a responcible organised group. It's too easy to ban something if there is no one to negotiate with. We have formed a club on Botany Bay purely for this reason. If you can show council that you can self regulate the kooks and irresponsible blow-ins you're half way there.
rooey
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5 May 2007 1:41pm
we have 511,SUNNY COAST KITER'S,its only imformal but we do have quite a fraternity happening these day's,all responsible law abiding kiter's
Bigwavedave
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5 May 2007 2:19pm
An informal club is only a start. You have to inform the local authorities that you exist and that you are promoting self-regulation in your area.

At Caloundra we publish a newsletter every two months and include a column with comments from the council. We liaise with local lifeguards and conduct training nights for lifesavers.

We also maintain a close communication with our local councillor so that any complaints or comments are relayed to us directly. We can then identify any "cowboy' kiters who breach the regulations and encourage them to cooperate.

Last month our local council thanked all local kiters for keeping away from swimming reserves over the summer period.

Most Caloundra kiters know that regulation is looming so we try our best to avoid incidents with boats, surfers and other beach users.

One other piece of advice: Keep commercial biases out of the club environment. By nature we all align ourselves to different brands and shops and this can cause some people to avoid your club. Keep it all about kitesurfing and friendship. Its working here at Caloundra!!
rooey
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5 May 2007 3:51pm
good call,Bigwavedave,yea we are all stewing over this PENDING ban but we will take on board your comments and go about this with a good strategy and just maybe convince big Bob that we ARE a good mob and am willing to 'regulate ourselves, enabling 'us' to police ourselves and eliminate the 'cowboy's from creating a problem amongst the 'other' river user's,I brought up this banning proposal by council some time ago and it did'nt sink in,now is the time to create a real club force,ECHO,SUNSEEKER,BLOWNAWAY,DUSTIN KEAHI,TAXI,BANANABOY,and those I cant think of at present,help please,lets meet to discuss the issues....Roo
rooey
rooey
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5 May 2007 4:01pm
the owner of the 'Boathouse' restaurant is willing to accommodate any kind of meeting we may have with Mr Abbot, maybe have a chin wag with him in a casual atmosphere on the 'floata' before things go to far in some council chambers meeting,Bob's comments in the paper appears that 'someone' is really pissed with the rivermouth kiter's,maybe we can kool the coals a little over lunch with him cause he does enjoy a feed between meetings!
paulio
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5 May 2007 10:17pm
did i hear Roo is putting on free beers? SWEET il be there
Bribie Rob
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6 May 2007 12:29am
This is the typical crap that pollies present when confronted with a whinger...unfortunately it gets lapped up by press and soon out of control.
I was once involved with running a long standing Brissie sailing club on the river and always had run-ins with Council, GPS rowing, ferries, and commercial boating....my suggestion is form a club... then apply to the Qld Dept of Transport as a club for a permit(there is a form) to hold organised events(in this case, kite sessions) at the river mouth and try to nominate by date or weather condition when these events will be held (every weekend or any time the wind is above 12knts on an ebb tide). The Transport Dept holds the key to the argument....as marine boating and safety rules apply. You can't restrict a vessel in a confined channel... no right of way to sail(kiters)applies. The only draw back is Qld Transport will probaly seek an opinion from Noosa Council, Water Police , Coast Guard and other "offical" interested parties before committing to a permit and you might end up with a no answer( note: not a ban just a no to organised event but the wheels will be in motion)...the paper trail will show the local shire and it's residents that as a group you want to do the right thing the right way. You might remember not so long ago "I FISH AND I VOTE!" and yep, I would also complain about the use of the term "Marine Thrillseekers"...not kiters - nope! anyone crossing that bar in more than 15knts....YEP!
paulio
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6 May 2007 10:00am
It costs SEQKA $24.50 for each permit with Qld Transport.

I'd try an approach Council as a Club and try to resolve any problems and offer the Club to self regulate the area,councils are allways appreciative of anyone who can lighten their workload.
dustin
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6 May 2007 10:07am
on the front page of the noosa news the other week was a full article on keahi winning caloundra nationals and all other successes, one of our reasons could be that noosa will be taking away one of noosas most sucessful sportsmans training area away......could work. i rekon that every club on the sunny coast (even the more informal ones) should write in a letter to coucil about this, even though most of you dont really kite there most of you have had a session or two here. when another area gets a threat we can do the same.
Keahi
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6 May 2007 10:13am
good idea dustin
rooey
rooey
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6 May 2007 10:16am
If we beat this thing I'll do more than shout beer's.good call Dustin,we know that Sunny Coast has top class kiter's including yourself,we just have to sell that and many more positive's to the Noosa Kremlin
ran
ran
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6 May 2007 10:22am
this "banning" has been ongoing for a number of years. It will happen one day as the powers to be are not kiters and they want to keep the boat operators etc happy as they pay $$$$ for licencing etc. I found that it was not the locals that caused issues more so visitors not obeying the rules the locals have. Anyway i hope this all fizzles out like it has before as i love the noosa river mouth and would hate to see this happen.
Keahi
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6 May 2007 10:34am
hey ran whats up. When are you gonnna come back to noosa. Have you had any more kites in melb lately

Keahi
rooey
rooey
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6 May 2007 10:40am
Paulio,will be in touch regarding all of the above. SUNNY COAST KITER'S from Noosa to Caloundra should be one solid unit,branching to our each local area,i.e Noosa,Coolum,Marroochydore,Caloundra, Paulio and the Goldy Crew there as well,with the QKBA being big brother to us all, that way we all stay as one, share all sorts of thing.s i.e rules,(legal and competition),social events,kiteing scene update's,support(Grommets and newbes)etc.Anyone outside the designated area would be more than welcome to join the branch fraternity of there choice, creating a common voice that is informed and backed to challenge what lies ahead in the Kiteing political arena,only my thoughts lads to get the ball rolling,I'm sure there will be many issues to sort out COLLECTIVELY by us all..Roo
rooey
rooey
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6 May 2007 10:48am
If I go into local Noosa Council this week I need to know that we will be representing ourselves as a 'formal club' approaching this whole thing with tact and dignity....if that fails guess I will have to chain myself nude to the entry gates of council, flying a trainer kite from my ass with a sign swinging from my dick reading,"kiter's demand respect" ......I'm goin to the beach with my family,will be back tonight...Rooooooey
S Carver
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6 May 2007 11:41am
Originally posted by Bigwavedave


At Caloundra we publish a newsletter every two months and include a column with comments from the council. We liaise with local lifeguards and conduct training nights for lifesavers.

We also maintain a close communication with our local councillor so that any complaints or comments are relayed to us directly. We can then identify any "cowboy' kiters who breach the regulations and encourage them to cooperate.

quote]


Why try and reinvent the wheel? Caloundra already has the infrastructure and expertise in place. As Roo suggests - joining with Caloundra Club, but as the Noosa Branch, you would then be representing a lot more kiters at the Council meeting.
We all kite up and down the coast depending on the weather.
Of course thats only if Dave and the Caloundra kiters agreed.
rooey
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6 May 2007 12:34pm
Yea Carver,I can appreciate what you say I am sure that most would be more than happy to be affiliated with a great crew such as the Caloundra mob,learning from the experience's the seasoned club's have is the go,I certainly don't want to create complications or divide's between any of the affilliated group's on the coast,on the contrary,being sub-branch's ,in my view would be the simplest way out,because as much as that Sunny coast kiter's,are very competant in the water,we dont have the club experience that you guy's have and we need help to format the whole deal,plus there are a lot of young people that need to have leader's to give them something to back,also sponsered kiter's could still be in there local club of choice like surfer's are without the bias and reteric that seem's to be going on at present
fob
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6 May 2007 11:09am
well that suks. good luck guys.
Bigwavedave
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6 May 2007 3:33pm
Caloundra club is not affiliated or attached to AKSA ...yet. There's a lot of work until that happens. Talk to Paulio and the crew at SEQKA....presidents, secretary, treasurer etc. It takes a lot of effort and dedication. We will get there one day but at the moment it's little steps!!

I reckon you should host a bbq and invite all local kiters, commercial boaties and the local councillor whose area includes the rivermouth. Start a friendly dialogue first and be willing to give a little. Develop a local code of conduct and include the council in any communications. Use AKSA's resources when you need to. That's what AKSA is for.

If you guys want a copy of our newsletter to use as a template or any other help just ask! Noosa rivermouth is too good to lose (except for the damn stingrays!)

Good luck guys!!



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