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hills
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3 May 2008 10:49am
I just thought I'd throw this out there to get feed back and opinions.

Would there be any merit in starting the "SOLC" to give those who live in remote areas (and any one else who'd like to join) the ability to be members of a club similar to ALYC, Sandgropers & Lefroy etc, and could this club become affiliated with the governing body if desired.

Obviously there are some landyachters in remote areas who will never be able to join a club if geographic (or other) restrictions are in place, so would there be any real benefits to them if they could join a club where there are no such limitations. Could this club give them a real vote in the running of the governing body like any other affiliated club?

I assume that due to them being in different states, then the club may not be able to do much about club insurance for its members and therefore the main advantage of a club may not be there straight off.

The consitution could have as an aim to assist these remote members in promoting their sport and assist in any way possible for them to eventually start their own local club which could stand on its own 2 feet.

Or would this just be a waste of time and effort and never really be able to work?

What are everyone's thoughts, especially those in remote areas and those who have been involved in the starting of clubs?

I was thinking if this could work we could ask Laurie if its possible to set up a section for club members only where membership gets you access to the section, so that club issues can be discussed in private as they would have no other easy way of communication.
cisco
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3 May 2008 3:30pm
Sounds really good Hillsy. Certainly it would be great for remote area sailors and other orphans.

If the forum site has the technology to facilitate it I believe it is a goer.

The insurance thing can be worked around.

I'll play around with a couple ideas I have and come back soon.

Cheers Cisco.
Mrs Duck
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3 May 2008 3:24pm
Gizmo is away for work back Tues pm, I have been instructed to monitor Seabreeze and keep him informed! My knowledge of Landyachts are only that they have three wheels,mast and sail.

***Hills, Im sure that Gizmo would give your idea the thumbs up and will be quick to post comment/suggestions when he returns.
Gizmo
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3 May 2008 4:50pm
Hi there from Alice Springs ...after a long drive past some great looking salt lakes like Lake Hart and Island Lagoon (but couldnt stop the TV Production truck for a good look... mind you Lochiel under water)

Hillsy i agree with you that Australia IS a BLOODY BIG place and the remote sailers DO need a group.
I think some one mentioned this idea before and im fully for it....
And with the internet it has to be the logical way to go...

"thanks Mrs Duck for you comments" xxxx
Promo girl
Promo girl
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3 May 2008 3:23pm
I think this is a good idea Hillsy and will allow those who are geographically or otherwise isolated to still be part of what goes on.
It will be interesting to see what others think.
Susan
Inlander
Inlander
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3 May 2008 5:33pm
Count me in!!
Living hundreds of clicks from any regular sailing groups, this idea would suit me to the ground.
hills
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3 May 2008 5:26pm
Hehe, Welcome Mrs Duck, your knowledge of landyachts is about on par with mine.

Sounds like there's a bit of interest, I'll await your further thoughts.

Cheers

Mrs Duck
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3 May 2008 5:29pm
Gizmo, you are supposed to be working not lurking in a "Internet Cafe", monitoring
Seabreeze!!
You can have your computer privleges back when you return, Im just keeping the seat warm while you away! Off to work you go
Mrs Duck x
Mrs Duck
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3 May 2008 5:38pm
Hills, thanks for the welcome. Oh gosh I did'nt think it was possible but this Landyachting thing is starting to bite. It looks like Gizmo is getting closer to being able build another landyacht but only if I am able to have a go!!
Promo girl
Promo girl
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3 May 2008 4:25pm
Mrs Duck said...

Hills, thanks for the welcome. Oh gosh I did'nt think it was possible but this Landyachting thing is starting to bite. It looks like Gizmo is getting closer to being able build another landyacht but only if I am able to have a go!!


Good on you Mrs Duck, we need more ladies out sailing ;-) if only to remind some of the blokes that having a lady along to a sailing trip does not mean to all and sundry oh good we have a scorer now!

We use to have quite a few ladies racing and/or sailing a few years back. Today Lefroy leads the way with our ratio almost even with guys to girls sailing. It would be great to see the other clubs catch up soon
hills
hills
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3 May 2008 5:57pm
Any pointers on how to get my wife interested would be greatly appreciated, Mrs Duck & Promogirl!!

Every time I go landyachting she indulges in another related sport... shopping at Harbour Town
landyacht
landyacht
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3 May 2008 6:23pm
Just build her a very COMFORTABLE miniyacht that you rig up first after you set up the wind shelter/shade and put the kettle on. ensure the kids are occupied, then rig your own yacht,offer it to the kids ,make the cuppas,ensure that wifeys yacht has the right sail for the breeze( dying or picking up).
At 3.00 pm offer to start packing up. you may have to stop talking to other sailors at this stage, they will think you are a bit pretenteous, or brow beaten, but ignore them , they are actually jealous.It is worth it in the long run when the very next weekend you hear the words,"fancy going to the beach with the yachts tommorrow Darling"
Ladies please feel free to edit your Comfort requirement list if you feel it is lacking. this preliminary list has been written by a bloke ater all.

Does that sound about right GIZMO?

welcome aboard Mrs Duck, strap on the floaties and enjoy the ride.
landyacht
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3 May 2008 6:32pm
LADYSAILOR REQUIREMENT LIST
Gntlemen to rig ,maintain ,unrig and clean, specially constructed ,ultra comfy mini yacht.
Gentlemen to set up shade/shelter.
Gentlemen to put kettle on on arrival at venue BEFORE talking to mates.
gentlemen to occupy/entertain /cleanup fter and disipline kids.
Gentlemen to commence packing up at 3.00pm sharp.
Gentlemen to prepare,serve and clean up evening meal whilst wifey is soaking in the bath.

Any thing to add to your requirements Ladysailors?
Kody
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3 May 2008 10:19pm
hills said...


I assume that due to them being in different states, then the club may not be able to do much about club insurance for its members and therefore the main advantage of a club may not be there straight off.


I belonged to the "Rockie Model Aero Club" for many years. The RMAC has its own constitution, own flying field and rules. All our flying was carried out under strict regulations as laid down by a Federal body, the FAI, for all competitions. This body looked after our insurance plus all the insurance affairs for all the other flying clubs in Australia. It should be no problem to aquire an insurance policy that would cater for all the L/Y clubs as a whole but all the clubs must be incorporated. Because the L/Y clubs are run as a non-profit organization, it should be possible to find a lawyer/solicitor who would partake to look after an individual clubs interests "gratis". This is what I did for our flying club and it was a great benifit and help. When the time comes to formally form an individual club, check around for a lawyer who will help. The kickback for the lawyer can be very good publicity ( if no-one gets hurt etc.) Do your homework and put some time into it and you will definitely succeed.

Kody
cisco
cisco
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4 May 2008 11:59am
hills said...
I assume that due to them being in different states, then the club may not be able to do much about club insurance for its members and therefore the main advantage of a club may not be there straight off.


I do not think state boundaries will affect insurance. As Kody indicated, as long as clubs are incorporated (legitimised) and therefore have rules some of which cover behavior and safety, the insurance company risk assessors then feel safe with taking on the risk.

Obviously the best companies to approach would be those that already carry risk for existing clubs.

Cheers Cisco.

cisco
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4 May 2008 12:18pm
hills said...

Any pointers on how to get my wife interested would be greatly appreciated, Mrs Duck & Promogirl!!

Every time I go landyachting she indulges in another related sport... shopping at Harbour Town


That is not a sport. it is an addiction.
Seriously though, I think your wife might find the Pacific Magic fairly intimidating. If you can borrow a blokart and get her into it just once, she will acquire a new addiction.

Every time I have put a lady into a blokart and it moves off the next thing I hear is "Wheeeeee!!".
Cheers, Cisco.

hills
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4 May 2008 1:11pm
Thanks everyone, I'll give those ideas a shot and see if I can't get Michele into it. I think some other ladies out there might be a big help too

As she's only 5ft, your right Cisco, she'd never go near the PM, thats part of the reason I'm going to build a mini. I'm also going to try and build a shadow for it as well. I figured I'd just have a spare extra long axle for one side. (Hmmn this should be a new constuction thread shouldn't it )
Promo girl
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4 May 2008 5:07pm
landyacht said...

LADYSAILOR REQUIREMENT LIST
Gntlemen to rig ,maintain ,unrig and clean, specially constructed ,ultra comfy mini yacht.
Gentlemen to set up shade/shelter.
Gentlemen to put kettle on on arrival at venue BEFORE talking to mates.
gentlemen to occupy/entertain /cleanup fter and disipline kids.
Gentlemen to commence packing up at 3.00pm sharp.
Gentlemen to prepare,serve and clean up evening meal whilst wifey is soaking in the bath.

Any thing to add to your requirements Ladysailors?


you cheeky so and so, I am sure the very confident single lady sailors at our club will have a thing to say about this comment when I spill the beans Paul!

Having said that you did miss one important point- when designing said specially constructed land yacht don't forget ultra padded and super comfy cushion!

Actually it is not the first time Paul has forgotten this important necessity -luckily FAZE 5 noticed the ommission at Gillies and kindly donated his new seat cushion - and guess what it is even colour coordinated with my yacht!

Promo girl
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4 May 2008 5:15pm
hills said...

Thanks everyone, I'll give those ideas a shot and see if I can't get Michele into it. I think some other ladies out there might be a big help too

As she's only 5ft, your right Cisco, she'd never go near the PM, thats part of the reason I'm going to build a mini.


Hi Hills, I am not much over 5ft and whilst I can and do sail a 5 the mini yachts are lots of fun, the easy assembly is great too - not too many things to forget! plus they are a lot lighter than a class 5.
Susan
landyacht
landyacht
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4 May 2008 6:45pm
Promo girl said...
Ladysailors?


you cheeky so and so, I am sure the very confident single lady sailors at our club will have a thing to say about this comment when I spill the beans Paul!

Having said that you did miss one important point- when designing said specially constructed land yacht don't forget ultra padded and super comfy cushion!

Actually it is not the first time Paul has forgotten this important necessity -


Not quite correct. She has a cushion that I made with special wings for the hips, a head rest and a knee rest,and her name and sail no on it, But she doesnt like the colour. I'm sure the ladies at the club would agree with me ,AND add to the list

lachlan3556
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5 May 2008 5:40pm
Im also up to see what can be done to organsise an internet based remote landsailers club. Not sure what can be done but I'd like to be involved with having a go.
cisco
cisco
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5 May 2008 8:40pm
lachlan3556 said...

Im also up to see what can be done to organsise an internet based remote landsailers club. Not sure what can be done but I'd like to be involved with having a go.


Good on yer Lachy, I knew you would be up to it. I thought you must have been away not to have responded sooner.

Hillsy, Cisco, Inlander, Gizmo, Mrs Duck and Lachlan is sufficient numbers for the executive and three committee members and therefore the backbone of a club.

More members are welcome and requested to register their interest on this thread.

Mr Hills, as you seem to be the most I.T. savvy of us, could you possibly communicate with Laurie (fromerly the "Prince of Darkness", Now "The King of Light") and ask of him whether the venerable "Seabreeze.com.au" site is ready, willing and able to accommodate this momentous situation that has arrived and reached it's time.

This is a pioneering idea. It may be the FIRST online incorporated club.

You are to be congratulated Hillsy, for taking your guts in your hand and suggesting the idea. Well Done!!!

I have a flow diagram that will illustrate how this may be integrated with the rest of the land sailing club structure that I will put in my next post.

At the moment there is a roast lamb dinner waiting for me to carve. Catch you all soon.

Cheers Cisco.


cisco
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5 May 2008 9:48pm
For United Land Yachting Australia there needs to be a structure. Here is a suggestion of how it might work. Objectivity and lateral thinking would help when considering the diagram.

This is an INCLUSIVE concept in that it recognises the right to exist and be part of the whole for ALL interested parties.

Let us ALL see if we can get it together.
hills
hills
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5 May 2008 9:47pm
I've asked Laurie to comment. I've also looked at the schnitz 2000 forum and there is a mod that can be downloaded to accomplish this, but I suspect there might be a bit of work involved. (unless its already done)

Hypothetically, if this were a goer, how would you all feel about an annual membership fee where a part or all goes to Seabreeze for hosting it for us.
laurie
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5 May 2008 10:27pm
I reckon we can help, and a new system we've developed might fit the bill perfectly .. can I ask for a few weeks to get our act together? Bit flat out at the moment to write more, just a note that yes, and, keen to help.
landyacht
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5 May 2008 8:32pm
what is the cost of hosting? since a site like this makes money(?) from advertising and happy sponsors, I wouldnt feel happy giving them money as well ( no offense Laurie) I get a feeling that seeing windsports progress is as big a reward for others as it is for me.
after costs for insurance and promotion it has for many years a habit of Lake Lefroy Landsailors to give away money we have no need for. The 2 organizations that spring to mind are the St John Ambulance service and the RFDS. It is statistically probable that one Day one of these Organization is going to give one of us a ride.
Maybe something like this is an additional reason for an Organization to exist
hills
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5 May 2008 10:09pm
I'll let Laurie respond to that, but my thoughts were that we'd pay a fee to compensate Laurie for any time spent setting this up and any associated costs.

I am quite involved in another forum and sponsorship and donations barely cover the server space and bandwidth costs and the owner regularly has to dip into his own pocket to keep the site running. I'd like us not to cause that to be the case for Laurie.
landyacht
landyacht
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5 May 2008 8:43pm
Thats why I added the question marks, all in all I feel a sense of progress pushing me across the lake in leue of a lack of wind
hills
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5 May 2008 10:16pm
Yep, understood. Again my experiences are from another forum, i don't know Laurie's situation.
lachlan3556
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5 May 2008 11:55pm
Im flattered Cisco, you've been waiting up for me Im feeling all warm and fuzzy now.

Yep, been away for the weekend. Its great to see something being established, early as it is. An internet based 'club' is the best idea I've seen in ages. It is a large turn off to come looking for support and finding none solely because there are no active groups nearby to help out, especially when it comes to representation at a national level.

Cant wait to see what Laurie has in stall for us.
cisco
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6 May 2008 11:33am
My suggestion on fee structure is cost plus a little bit more (reviewed periodically).

Costs might be, hosting fees (if required), documentation costs (even though it is an online club some things will still need to kept in hard copy), insurance costs and association fees.

The little bit more would cover promotions and events, unforeseen circumstances, and any excess, as Paul suggests can be donated to St John's Ambulance/RFDS.

Cheers Cisco.
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