WAKSA - Euro Kiters and the Windy Season

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kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
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3 Jul 2008 12:45pm
G'day,

This is not meant to come across as a criticism or anything, but just a question:

Considering the issues of Euro kiters coming to Aus and doing crazy **** like jumping over swimmers etc, have WAKSA thought about releasing some info to CALM, local governments, shires etc stressing the presence of WAKSA in WA kiting circles whilst trying to distance the kiting community from visitors.

The information pack may be seen as a proactive tool which may lead to heathly relationships down the track - they may even contribute to putting up signage/ competitions/kiting events etc. Further, should it come to it, these organisations may actually look to WAKSA first rather than going out and banning it outright.

This may be especially important right now considering that the start of the windy season is only a couple of months away?

As I said, not criticism, just a thought. If you need/want a hand, I'll be in it.

Cheers
Dan
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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3 Jul 2008 1:20pm
Is it Volvo shootin season already?

Yeh, good idea to get the info out early I reckon.

"Yah - I tink dat is veddy good un too yah. Ve luv it her in Oz und joost luv to scare de shizen oot ov all de hoddees in bukeenees at Purf beechus..." says my mate Sven..
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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3 Jul 2008 1:29pm
C.R.I.T.I.C.I.S.M.
Funny word hey ?

Ah Dan,
What have you got against Euro-kiters ?
A couple of Euro dudes by the name of Hadlow and Lenton seem to be able to handle their kites ok.
lol.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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3 Jul 2008 1:37pm
Your on Dan. Let us call these visitors "kiting tourists."

Info. Pack......what should be in such a pamphlet?

1. Locations?

2. Local "rules"?

What else?

You all are such a creative bunch.....come on, how should the first paragraph read?

Give us a start Slave.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
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3 Jul 2008 1:39pm
Cheers for the spelling tip.

Last time I saw, there weren't too many euros that were at that standard.

This is not necessarily aimed purely at Euros because there are bound to be quite a few locals that will take it up this year - as there are every year - including those who CHOOSE not to follow the unwritten law.

It's about being proactive.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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3 Jul 2008 1:51pm
kiterdan said...

It's about being proactive.


I hate that word. ^^^^
PROACTIVE........
It often means 'creating a new set of problems where none existed before' .

kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
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3 Jul 2008 2:02pm
How is distributing documentation trying to distance the kiting community from the cowboys (Euro or otherwise) so that we don't have to worry about bans lingering over our heads, creating a problem?

How is letting the authorities know that we're doing our bit to ensure the future of sport is not tarnished by the cowboys, creating a problem?

The only problem I see is your negativity to anything that may be seen as slighty bureaucratic. I don't particularly like it either, nor do I think anyone does apart from the lawyers, but that's completely irrelevant if it means losing spots because of morons.

I also see you qualified your statement with an 'often'.
Well, hows this for a qualified statement - 99% of the time you don't have anything constructive to say, so why not go back to your little cave until you have something decent to contribute to society - like a job maybe?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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3 Jul 2008 3:08pm
kiterdan said...

How is distributing documentation trying to distance the kiting community from the cowboys (Euro or otherwise) so that we don't have to worry about bans lingering over our heads, creating a problem?

How is letting the authorities know that we're doing our bit to ensure the future of sport is not tarnished by the cowboys, creating a problem?

The only problem I see is your negativity to anything that may be seen as slighty bureaucratic. I don't particularly like it either, nor do I think anyone does apart from the lawyers, but that's completely irrelevant if it means losing spots because of morons.

I also see you qualified your statement with an 'often'.
Well, hows this for a qualified statement - 99% of the time you don't have anything constructive to say, so why not go back to your little cave until you have something decent to contribute to society - like a job maybe?


^^ Let's try to remain on-topic and keep the personal attacks to a minimum.....
It doesn't make WAKSA look good.
Dan, I know what you are trying to do.
It won't work. lol.
You are attempting to marginalise the sport of kitesurfing in WA.
The phrase 'distance the kiting community from the cowboys (Euro or otherwise)'
....makes it abundantly clear.
Your dumb idea of a border between the good-guys (WAKSA members) and the bad-ass cowboys flying black kites (non-WAKSA members)...
will be defined (in your mind only) by the stupid club tag hanging off your harness.
Folks,
Say NO to marginalisation.


kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
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3 Jul 2008 3:30pm
Mate, why don't you read the original post.

I'm not suggesting that we should split WAKSA and non-WAKSA members - that's your narrow-minded reading of the post - much like all your responses.

I'll spell out for you.
I'm asking - as a representative body, why not use the WAKSA tag to try and distance ourselves from the potentially detrimental actions of the cowboys - actions that WILL lead to prohibition - before it happens.

What's wrong with saying, in a nutshell, the actions of these kiters don't represent the general WA kiting community?

A proactive iniative is a far more constructive tool than a reactive one.

If you've actually got a constructive comment, why not contribute? If not, start up another thread, or better still, keep it to yourself.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
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3 Jul 2008 3:38pm
For the record, I'm not on the WAKSA committee, nor do I have any vested interest in it.
It's amazing that these people will volunteer their time to ensure ungrateful and ignorant twits like yourself will still have access to the beaches in (hopefully) years to come.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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3 Jul 2008 3:59pm
kiterdan said...

For the record, I'm not on the WAKSA committee, nor do I have any vested interest in it.
It's amazing that these people will volunteer their time to ensure ungrateful and ignorant twits like yourself will still have access to the beaches in (hopefully) years to come.



Nice.
More personal attacks. ^^
I bet WAKSA is thankful that you aren't on the payroll.
Keep up the excellent public relations.
lol.
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
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3 Jul 2008 4:02pm
Its possibly in the pipe line to get a brochure / leaflet out to the info stand at the international airport.
Its being discussed and maybe thats why Gruezi wants some input for content?
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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3 Jul 2008 4:37pm
Putting on my serious hat for a moment (yah veely?)

I'm not Euro bashing but I did see an amazing amount of dodgy (often not judged that way by the standards/protocols at their own home spots) and risky behaviour at my fav spots over the season gone. In most cases it was easy to confirm that it was Euro touros at fault.

I'm not saying they intend to be ooshools, not at all, they are usually pretty ok. Unfortunately though, they just don't think it unusual or poor form to pull a whole host of moves (such as following a kiter on their heels into the shallows, then wondering why the kiter in front freaks out when trying to turn/go back out of the zone) that we deem irresponsible, unnessary and str8 out dangerous!

Wording up those involved (hopefully including the Euros) can only be good i reckon
tot
tot
WA
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tot tot
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3 Jul 2008 5:43pm
good idea dan , flozza surf club would appreciate that
trevor1
trevor1
WA
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3 Jul 2008 7:01pm
waveslave said...

kiterdan said...

For the record, I'm not on the WAKSA committee, nor do I have any vested interest in it.
It's amazing that these people will volunteer their time to ensure ungrateful and ignorant twits like yourself will still have access to the beaches in (hopefully) years to come.



Nice.
More personal attacks. ^^
I bet WAKSA is thankful that you aren't on the payroll.
Keep up the excellent public relations.
lol.

(My emphasis)

Hey Kettle, in your previous post you did refer to the (allegedly) black Pot's idea as "dumb".
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
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3 Jul 2008 7:21pm
"hi, there are these kiteboarders who are endangering west Australians and we would like to distance ourselves from. and btw, did i mention that if your from wa you are automatically a safe kiter, we also don't want you do do anything about it but yer... actually don't look at this, forget what i said, kitesurfing... dangerous?? as if, we are closed good bye!"
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
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3 Jul 2008 10:26pm
I never thought I'd back WaveSlave, but he's dead right.

1 tiny little tag on a huge kite will mean nothing to average beach goers. If a Euro, or any other kiter, from anywhere else on the planet, jumps over swimmers or endangers or threatens other beach users, it is KITERS who will be tagged as dangerous.

No one will know if they have a tag, no one will care if they are WAKSA or non-WAKSA Euro.Seppo/Asian whatever, all they will know is - it's a KITE BOARDER. end of.

It's a useless idea that you haven't thought through in real terms at all, stop defending it.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
3 Jul 2008 11:04pm
Guys,

My SUGGESTION has nothing to do with forcing people to join.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WAKSA MEMBERS or NON-MEMBERS.

When someone mentions WAKSA, to the average kiter that'd imply WAKSA members. To the average person on the street that means kitesurfing.

Maybe I wasn't clear - and of course you're entitled to you opinion - if you think it sucks fair, enough.

All I am saying is, if WAKSA, who in the eyes of the general community believes represents the whole kiting community, approaches the relevant authorities (councils, government organisations etc.) before the onslaught of summer, the WA kiting community may cop less of the storm WHEN something happens. At the end of the day, the touro will go home - and we'll cop the banning/s. The problem of local cowboys will continue to exist though but until someone comes up with a plan for that - who knows?

Anyway, it's only a suggestion. It's amazing how 'unconstructive' some people can be. Even more amazing when you're only suggesting it for the good of their sport. It's all too easy sitting behind a computer I suppose.

Actually, do whatever - let WAKSA decide. I'm not going to sit and cop **** for trying something whilst the forum tragics sit on their thrones with a keyboard in one hand and can of Emu Export in the other. A lot like Slave really. Good luck.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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3 Jul 2008 11:42pm
Ben, you are absolutely right, and your suggestion is?

Both Slave and Dan make sound arguments, and obviously love each other to death...what a crack up....all we are doing is brainstorming on our own free time and thinking through some things.....please chill, it is hard enough getting through each windless day
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
3 Jul 2008 11:49pm
i go with team waveslave

I am one of the Euro kiters, been living in scarborough WA for 14 years but i still get **** from the kiting community because i have a Euro accent.

I still have to read stupid post advocating compulsary registration and water regulations.

Luckily i enjoy my kiting and ignore #$%$% heads

ps #$%$% stands for stubborn
fver
fver
WA
453 posts
WA, 453 posts
4 Jul 2008 1:11am
Hello,

Brochures at the airports and at tourist information centres sound like a good start.

I would be pleased to translate it into French (I think) if required.

Cheers,

Fred

poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
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4 Jul 2008 8:28am
From what i see in summer months its not only tourists who pay no heed to anything or anyone.
Check out Melville or Leighton on a windy summers day......its wild.....locals and tourists alike causing all kinds of mahem.
I suppose embracing the tourists saying g'day making friends and offering suggestions is probably the best.
Personally i dont see why anyone would spend any time in the metro during summer if they dont have to.
Dan Jones
Dan Jones
WA
101 posts
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4 Jul 2008 9:55am
great idea dan
waveslave have a look at yourself mate...
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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4 Jul 2008 12:01pm
I don't tool around on wussy flat water but at my ocean going spots there was a big influx of not well behaved Euros (yes and local choppers too) last season.

There were also really cool, sensible and considerate Euros too, but the largest number of numbnutz (at my - read shared - local spots) were by far Euro experts/intermediates. Sorry but that's how it was..

Any increase of info etc can only be good and is sure to save a few injuries, trashed kites and broken jaws..

I don't understand the calls to maintain ignorance really?? Strange?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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4 Jul 2008 12:05pm
I say we gather everyone up who talks with an accent put them on a pile of sticks and burn them.
Just like grandma used to do,

gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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4 Jul 2008 12:14pm
Personally I don't give a squat what a kite surfer does to him/herself....law of attrition works well in this sport.

I hate helmets ..........the worst thing we can do is to make our country even more of the nanny state that it already is. Live and let live as long as you do not harm or materially annoy someone else.

What I can't and will not tolerate is the jerks that put other people at risk because of their own selfish and ignorant acts.

All we are talking about is education and I recon that is a good thing.

I can easily understand the path of "do nothing," but to me personally that is wrong. Yea Slave, Sebol and the like...I can make the rational intellectual argument that dogs kill more people than kiters ever have or ever will. Authorities are not going to ban people having dogs, so why should I care about what my fellow kiters do...not my problem................until my beach access is removed of course.

getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
4 Jul 2008 12:15pm
In the past I have had the (occasional) guffaw about your posts. Those days are over mate - you are becoming a pest I think.

You have dozens of joke threads (mostly of your own) to peck about with.. go there and waste your ample time please.

Try to allow SOME constructive and intelligent input on this site for gawdsakke!
stamp
stamp
QLD
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4 Jul 2008 2:48pm
good on ya rellie, its good to be reminded when things are getting too serious....

some people need to lighten up fer christs sake
waveslave
waveslave
WA
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4 Jul 2008 1:01pm
gruezi said...

What I can't and will not tolerate is the jerks that put other people at risk because of their own selfish and ignorant acts.



Hi Gruezi,
Here's a hypothetical situation to ponder....?
Let's say you permanently lose your access to your kiting spot......
all because Kiterdan kooked-out massively one day.
lol.
(He's only human, you know).
What should WAKSA have done ?
How could WAKSA prevent this ?
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
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4 Jul 2008 3:06pm
its time to get together a vigilante group, the waksa gestapo.....

you can't expect to police public beaches.

bans are probably inevitable, as more and more people take up kiting. the gear gets "safer" and more "user friendly" so more and more numpties are going to be attached to kites. unfortunatelythere's not much anyone can seriously do to prevent it.
walshd
walshd
SA
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4 Jul 2008 2:43pm




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