What - no flaming terd in there too?

Pfft.. kids today.

what did I miss??

Dunno if this applies to online content but in print etc if a defaming or similar comment is broadcast/printed by a 3rd party (ie Seabreeze) then that entity is also held responsible for the defamation.

Hey Sir V - you obviously have your viewpoint and feel frustrated but Seabreeze is not responsible nor should it be expected to carry your accusations (accurate/false or whatever).

Good luck getting a result anyhoo.

What happened V. You sound really angry. Hope you are ok. Did someone sell you a kite with non matching colours or faulty bearings for your blades? Missed your story but wanted you to know that if you can't work the frustrations out at body pump classes, then seabreeze is the place.

PS I hate scammers too. So I hope it works out for you.

Laurie, thanks for your Post's explanation but unfortunately it changes nothing.. except perhaps to hide further the actions I wanted here exposed.

A couple of facts that have not been taken into account as yet...

1- The puchase was paid via Paypal on September 23rd.
2- supposedly "posted" 6 days later
3- registered number given doesn't exist with Post Office, never did
4- when an investigation was started at my end I was told to request a HN number. I requested this from the seller - he never replied to me
5 - more than 10 emails asking for resolution up to today. 6 were totally out of concern and politeness, 2 of "not happy, reminder I would take this further if no reply was received" and the last 2 emails were right down pissed off.
6 - no reply was received till today. And the email received today in consequence to this post it is saying the matter is still being investigated by the Post Office.
7- how long do you think I should wait until I get pissed off?
8- when we buy anything through ebay we can and are constantly reminded to place FEEDBACK. Is that not what my post was?

Do I not have the obligation to warn my fellow kiters of such bhaviour before it happens to them?

9- by removing my post you just assured he can do it again.

10- Misfortune or not, such blatantly rude behaviour of no reply and keeping the money is unacceptable.

May I repeat point 7? - how long do you think I should wait until I get pissed off?

My post was simple feedback on a transaction that took place from an add on Seabreeze - otherwise I would not have taken it here.

- that is all I have to say about this - the post was for the consideration of my colleagues.

Furthermore, I am currently writing an article about an absolutely amazing experience I recently had while Kitesurfing up North and how good behaviour should be rewarded with appreciation.

Are you going to veto that too?

SirV

Well it's good to know the Defamation Party has been pacified..So pistols at dawn Sir V?.....

Here's the otherside


RE: Missing Items (Posted 23rd SEPTEMBER!!!)

After numerous phone calls,personal visits and buckpassing at the local PO,It appears the woman behind the counter failed to register my 'Registered Mail'. Hence no registered number.
After a couple of weeks I was instructed to submit a formal written complaint to Aust. Post with Stat. Dec. a procedure I was told could take several weeks.This I did and relayed the info to Vasco.I trusted the items would turn up in the meantime.This was all done in good faith,but has turned into a fiasco (for me and Vasco):D
OK...apart from the fact that I will now have to sell any future gear at Mums garage sales....I Consider this mess sorted.(unlike the mail)
Cheque's in the mail. Thanks for nothing Australia Post.

chronic said...

another wonderful buying experience on eBay .....

You didnt read it did you... It was sold via seabreeze buy and sell

Still sounds fishy to me though

Saffer said...
I for one would like to know that if one party tries to rip me off, I'd be able to post the details here, after all, it was sold here.

Sure you can - the forums are always open to discussing most topics, but are closed to topics disclosing personal details/defamatory remarks.

I'd also hope that you'd contact myself/Seabreeze -first- to assist in the resolution, much like you'd contact ebay/paypal in the first instance as well.



I've had stuff go missing via Australia Post, and from personal experience getting a refund/tracking takes weeks and is full of red tape.

And no wonder .. there are plenty of unscrupulous folks that could "post" stuff that didn't arrive, and then claim the lost value from Aussie Post .. it makes sense that AP limit their liability, or they'd go broke pretty quick via claims!

I always use registered post for high value posting. $15 seems a lot at the time, but when you consider the poop you have to go through when they lose something (as I have), it works out pretty cheap & good piece of mind.

Hey Laurie, i'm keen to hear more about this "dodgy Jetski". Is it still for sale?

manicskier said...

chronic said...

another wonderful buying experience on eBay .....

You didnt read it did you... It was sold via seabreeze buy and sell

Still sounds fishy to me though

I think he was highlighting that this wouldn't have happened at eBay and it would have been a 'wonderful experience'...

Dear Laurie,

I agree it is appropriate to remove a post specifically accusing someone of fraud as was originally the case here.

However, would it have been ok for V to have set out his version of the facts (essentially forwarded payment by paypal, item not received, steps taken to obtain the item), identified the person (at least by forum name), and invited a response? (Ie, without saying the words: "X is a fraud")

Seems to me there would then have been no "running down ... character" or "slamming", and there would have been an opportunity to obtain the second side to the story.

(At the risk of sounding like Slave and his rantings about commercialism), you do make money out of the For Sale section, so only seems fair to allow appropriate feedback from somone who perceives they have been ripped off.

I have purchased stuff on this forum before, and I always felt protected by the preception if the sale turned to sh1t I could resort then resort to the forum.

I look forward to your response.

Cheers

Eh Trev? Perrenial favourite? Pfft.. don't think so.

Never heard of a light dig? Do you take everything literally? I don't have spare leash at the mo anyway.

Lord knows i have copped a fair bit of stick in the past. P!ssed me a bit at the time - but hey everybody cops a bit now and then. Best not to take the forums too seriously.

BTW - I am sure I have had posts moderated in the past. No one is immune to the omnipresent moderator.


BTW - hope Sir V gets his $$ or kite soon but I still think he is barking up the wrong tree a bit.

Have to put my 2 cent to it. I didn’t see the post so I can’t comment on that.

But I have bought and sold a few items on seabreeze and never had an issue what so ever, until I recently bought a Kite on seabreeze. Paid for the kite within a couple of hours and received an answer the next day that the money arrived and the kite will be sent off asap. And then.......... well you can guess it. When I inquired about the whereabouts of the kite the excuses with blaming the lady behind the counter started, it got returned, delayed, didn’t give them a tracking Id etc. And the story went on for another couple of weeks. Eventually, after about 6 weeks, the kite did arrive - wet.

I would have done the same, name and shame them. The buy and sell section is awesome, but if people abuse it and scam others, or just can’t be asked to send it after they get the cash, then what else are you going to do? Go to the cops?? Yea right. Having a go at V just sends the wrong message to anyone trying to buy or sell gear on seabreeze.

Cheers,

It's all very interesting isn't it.

No, I'm not a fan of "name & shame" ... there is no proof of anything, it's all heresay, and it all ends up being a kangaroo court with each side puting their "correct" version of events up. Not good for anybody.

The main reason I'm against it is because it generally moves you further away from a resolution, than closer to. It creates resentment and makes resolution even harder than it was before.

Why, why, why couldn't Vasco have written to me first to assist in mediating, rather than the heavy handed approach of running a guys character down in the forums with a "XYZ is a fraud" topic and now have all this poop going on?

Crikey, I accidently trashed all my PM's, and I know there are folks waiting on replies, but what can I do? I lost addresses and all sorts. I can't remember everybodies usernames .. should I wait for someone to write a topic & call me a fraud in the forum so I can contact them again? Am I being a fraud .. I don't think so. Poop happens.

Why does everybody jump to the "I've been ripped off" assumption? Computers crash, people have accidents, they get sick, they work away, ISP's lose emails, Australia Post lose things .. there's a whole swath of reasons, and there's also reasonable & fair ways of dealing with them.

The sellers phone number was in the advert, why not "ring him up", rather than waiting for an email reply? Lost it advert/phone number.. write to me & get, as others have.



So.... here I am "firefighting" public perception of whether an upset buyer should be able to "name & shame" somebody in the forums for something he may not have done, rather than getting on with the job of helping one guy get his two ripped kites for $350, or a refund.


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To sum up:

No, please do not post peoples identity, emails, and call them frauds in the forums.

Yes, please do contact me first if you feel a transaction is/has gone pear shaped.

Like I say, I've yet to see a case of fraud in the Buy & Sell in 3 years, and I'm pretty confident that this incident is an honest communication failure like the other two.

Hope that helps...

Thanks,
Laurie