Hi Guys,

Ever since the issues we had with JCC and the Mullaloo SLSC last year, there has been an investigation on the entire JCC coastal beaches. The areas effected stretch from Marmion to Burns Beach, a distance of 17km. Much of the plan includes things like cycle paths, public facilities such as car parks, toilets etc.

The area that effects us is the recreational users management plan. JCC categorize activities on level of conflict with other beach/water users.

Highly conflicting beach activities are : Animal exercising and Kitesurfing.

Highly conflicting water activities are : Kitesurfing, Freestyle Jet Skiing and water skiing.

Medium Conflicting beach activities are: Fishing and Non Powered boat launching.

Medium conflicting water activities are : Kayaking, Surfing, Sailing, Boating and windsurfing.

JCC Issue Statement 20 reads "The city does not wish to prohibit recreational activities on the beach to the detriment of activity diversity and the enjoymentof the cities coastline by residents and regional users. As such, only heavily conflicting activities should be subject to exclusion zones, license requirements, or designated areas. Activities that are less conflicting should be permitted along the coastline in an unrestricted manner......"

The bottom line is this; Kitesurfing has been allocated beach areas as follows:

Kitesurfing North Mullaloo: Designated beach launching and landing areaapproximately 345m south of West View Boulevard to Korella Street.

Pinnaroo Point : Designated Beach launching and Landing Areas approximately 355m, extending 230m south of John Wilkie Tarn Access Path and 125m North of John Wilkie Tarn access path.

It should be noted that a designated area of highly conflicting activity DOES NOT give users exclusive use of the area.

Kitesurfing on the water zones: Exclusion zones applicable : 475m north, 475m South and 200m west of Mullaloo SLSC. 470m North, 480m South and 200m west of Sorrento SLSC.

Patrols will be in place with rangers and City Watch in vehicles and Quad bikes enforcing the new plan.

What this means in a nutshell, is that we lost a major battle and this has set up a precedent for other councils to follow. We must be on our absolutley best behaviour, especially around Mullaloo SLSC as kitesurfing could be easily banned if we choose not to accept their guidelines and play nice.

Please make yourselves highly aware of the new zones and keep within them, even if there is no one else on the beach as all it takes is a few photos and complaints from local whingers err, I mean residents, to show kiters riding or worse, rigging in the banned zones and the next level of authority will be brought against us .... and it won't be pretty.

Please pay attention and speak up to who ever you see doing the wrong thing, we are hanging by a tenuous thread especially at Mullaloo.

Bummer eh?

KH

Police Academy 5 - coming to a beach near you !

Hi Zed! Perhaps you'd like to edit or delete and re-post?

Perhaps you may also have missed the response on your post in the Dog Beach thread? Please at least do a simple search on beach user groups in Seabreeze such as Leighton Kiters and Scarborough Kiters before starting another tirade.

Cheers.

poley s WTF.

For my (often speant) 2c I think Zed made a fairly level headed and accurate assesment. He got bagged for it - as usual cause he dared to offer a diff view and say it like it really is. Yep - I expect to cop the same and couldn't give to kn hoots to be honest.

Why does a poley comment on these things? - cause he has to share the water with kiters that probably ruin 50% of his sessions I imagine. Try getting on a poleboard, being effectively segregated to small spots - like at Scarbs - then having selfish, idiots witha 25m 'danger radius' fang through this limited zone on downwinders every arvo and see how you go with the "Don't comment on our forum" philosphy.

It is true that Rob, KF, MUGS, WAKSA etc bust a gut to teach respect, sensible behaviour etc etc but let's all face up to the reality that this is now the minority view/behaviour. A quick scan of the threads etc will prove that selfish, arrogant and abusive behaviour is unfortunately becoming the norm and that is indeed translating to the actions on the water too.

It will be a sad day when bans come online but - despite massive efforts from the folks above - they most likely will as there is just no end to the fkwit teenage behaviour out there. Simple as that. Kiters can't even have a sensible discussion amongst themeselves regarding wave priority etc without violence and abuse being the 1st point to launch with. It is bloody unneccesary, emabarrassing and getting worse.

Slag off my views if you like (dunno what that will achieve?) or get involved in one of the above groups, word up the knuckles who act the tool at your local spot. Show respect, voluntarily move away from swimming areas (flags or not) don't rip up to 5m of another water user and spray em with your p!zz poor cutty, don't land/launch in public walkways, stay out of the miniscule poley areas etc etc etc etc etc etc - oh and stop acting like spoilt ****s! Then we may have a chance of retaining our previous freedoms.

Make the choice, get involved - help change things for the better or shut up and stick to the allocated areas.

Again - KH, Rob, WAKSA, and other minority folks are to be commended - the rest need to wake up tho.

dbabicwa said...

Do we really know how many overseas visitors are coming with the kites each year on the WA beaches?
And how much money they are generating for the WA economy?

As I can see a huge number of Euro's were here over the Christmas and January. I've talked with one from Italy on the Cottesloe beach after his session!

In general they will NOT follow local rules, many but not all are mostly not interested in it and they just want to have a good time here.

Instead of promoting the W.A. as a kite surfing destination, imposing fines and restrictions will significantly damage tourism industry!
If they are thinking to restrict access they will need to tell people when arriving here, on the border not on the beach by some beach patrol.

And even than, if something bad happens to/by visiting tourist do we/I need to suffer the consequences? Should we/I be punished with the restriction?

This is clearly a case for an referendum. We are the Citizens and this are our rights they are playing with. This is not so much about the kite surfing but more what is next. Tomorrow it might be a beach cricket!

Something to think about!

Yes your right, however some of them do it on the cheap. Living in their rented campers.

They are also well aware if the go tearing up hay st Perth at 100klms they will probably end up in the big house. That`s because they know the country has some form of rules in place. I think the main problem is, some think it`s a free for all here.

Fines and gear confiscation is the way to go. Plenty of warnings in kiting mags, internet forums and the papers before implementation.

Only takes one or two fines and the word will get around like wild fire. Not only here but OS as well.

Your always going to get the odd violator, that`s life.

Comments?

Hi S.A.L.T to answer your question yes it seems the JCC has installed some tall yellow marker boys at North Mulklaloo around 70m offshore. Quite sad to see really.

AB....

I'm with Andrash on this one.
The proliferation of teuros at Woodies who don't give a F%$k this season is amazing. Their camping at the car park has seen masses of rubbish, toilet paper and faeces in and around the car park. They are not here to spend big bucks and support tourism in the state, they live as cheap as possible and don't care how they treat the locals or the surrounding environment.
If we don't start to manage this, it will be managed for us. This is already in evidence in Joondalup.

Hi guys,

I'm not really into Teuro bashing, most of them are pretty cool, despite their not socialising with the local riders. There were several Euros in vans living in Pinnaroo Point car park when we did our last clean up day and the rubbish they left in the bush 4 feet behind their vans was absolutely disgusting. We picked it all up and challenged them over their littering and they denied it was them. Simple observation of the rubbish left little doubt it was them and eventually they admitted it.

I was totally pissed off as there was a bin only 50m away. I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I went to their country and threw all of my waste and rubbish on the ground or in their parks.

I don't think the problems at Mullaloo can be put down to Teuro's though, more just thoughtless and/or selfish aussies doing downwinders and ignoring the rights of others in the ocean and on the beaches.

Wise up people and school those that don't know. It's everyone's responsibility!

KH

I am saying, this is a civil rights problem and as such it might be considered for an civil action.

Quote:
"the Local Government Act (Local Government (Elections) Regulations 1997 Section 43) the Council can only conduct an informal poll or referendum if it is not in conjunction with an election"

As the last resort, I can't see anything else than a petition and than an referendum.

There will be more and more tourists on our beaches, they can't bring a jet ski, but they can a kite (gear confiscation is impossible, imagine you go skiing to Alps and someone confiscate your gear because you went of the route?).

And they are generating money, just a landing tax at Perth airport is huge (bigger than anywhere else in Au), toilet paper costs something, petrol, camper, etc etc.

I've talked to one Slovenian who made a 2000km across WA for windsurfing spots, and his complain was not enough wind! With his wife and a kid, imagine that cost with a full gear!

And, yes Gruezi, you are right, when mining boom runs away, how Joondalup will generate money? Instead of going in tourism a big time! Short sighted though!



Consider carefully how you vote in the poll next time!

dbabicwa said...


And they are generating money, just a landing tax at Perth airport is huge (bigger than anywhere else in Au), toilet paper costs something, petrol, camper, etc etc.

...are you joking, drunk, tired, using board leash (board hit in the head)...?
Toilet paper as great revenue from tourism.......?

Hi all,

Please do not complete the online survey yet. It is essential that the kiting community sticks together and has one united message to Joondalup City Council. WAKSA and Mullaloo Kiters User Group are currently working on exactly the best way forward, not only for Mullaloo, or the beaches in Joondalup shire, but as this may bee seen as a bit of a WA test case, this is important for all WA kiters. As it has been said we have until the 6th April to feedback - early feedback is not counted any more than feedback on the 6th, so if everyone can just hold fire until we have a united strategy. Once we have this we will let you all know and you can, and we will need you to, feed consistent comments back into the consultation process.

Cheers
Dave
Mullaloo Kiters User Group

As a beginner in the sport, the action proposed by Joondalup CC is disconcerting however I am new enough to the sport to still appreciate how kiting can potentially conflict with other beach users. Others here must surely appreciate how certain kiting activity (whether voluntary or otherwise) may represent a risk to swimmers, pet owners or small children.
As Andrash has said the sport has probably reached saturation point at certain metro locations.
With a growing Perth population I think compromise will be the only future for kiting in the metro area. An obvious compromise has to be self rescue within exclusion zones.
However this has to work both ways. If kiters are going to be restricted to designated areas I would like to see the general public asked to give kiters a "wide berth" in these areas so as to avoid potential conflict.
Out of interest, with regard to the proposed areas at Mullaloo, assuming downwinders were done 200m offshore (and precedent aside), would the proposals impact on kiters that much?
With regard to tourists I'm afraid to say that a minority of Aussies would act in the same disrespectful way themselves overseas. The majority would act according to local custom but not contribute much to the local economy. Only a minority would contribute significantly to the economy. These assumptions are based on my experience as a visitor angler to New Zealand. Unfortunately a minority of overseas anglers (frequently Aussies) use a resource that overseas visitors can access on a par with locals and in return act in a selfish and disrespectful manner.
One possible solution could be to license kite boards like other water craft. Local residents would pay a small fee to kite on metro waters. Visitors would pay a larger fee. Such a system would discourage the freeloaders to kite at popular locations. Of course policing such a system is difficult and many locals would object to paying.
Beach access for kiting must not be taken for granted. I think the Councils could potentially go a lot further to limit access. Anyone on here who has lived in the UK will appreciate being able to park at the beach free! Whats to stop a council insisting kiters have liability insurance or demonstration of proficiency ("skippers ticket") or introducing a day kiting fee etc.
Good luck to WAKSA (I feel my recent membership fee was a worthwhile investment).

"Nothing you can do about it" sounds like a very good approach, not. How about going to your local Councillor and talking about it? And reminding her/him about for next vote? Or going with an petition? Just like Mullaloo locals did....Lobbying makes by-laws, not crying that you can't do anything.

age is no barrier mullaloo66, i'll teach you for free

Hey Big Al,
I'm pretty sure the yellow markers refer to the waterskiing area boundaries