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scheggia said..
could really anything match the hybrid in strong winds? I can't see a single skin really being able to match the comfort and performance of an hybrid well powered.... I just can't

Yeah I think you’re right. In a recent podcast ( up on foil) Aljaz Valic 777 designer said that there are limitations in the physics of a single skin airfoil. Coming from a kitiing background I have ridden 5m kites kite foiling in 30 knots and been totally comfortable but with a parawing a 4.2m barely holds up above 25knots. When I got a good session on the pt hybrid ( thanls sheps) that was the closest I have felt to the easy, smooth, fast upwind that I felt kite foiling.

Anyone got thoughts on the 5.7 pr v2? I am wondering if I should replace my 5.4 pt skin with a 5.7 pr v2 or maybe a 5.5 ltx ?? ( or just keep the PT skin coz I’m pretty happy with it)

BWalnut said..

baldy123 said..
I went for a 4.3m v2. Only a few sessions so far on it. Upwind angles and stability are great. Still not liking the stash and redeploy compared to my 3.6m Powerpack, which is best in class I think. Pros and cons of both wings. Custom colours on my v2 are looking sweet.

Love those colors!

Youngbreezy said..
Hey Bwalnut, cool and very detailed review.


Do you think a double skin/ hybrid would be better for the really high winds? Maybe the Paia or pt hybrid instead of a 2.4m PR?


We had a big storm in Perth a few weeks ago and most riders had a 3 or 3.6 as their smallest parawing. Everyone was really struggling to control them even just going downwind. No one was really even attempting to go upwind. I am 105kg and got caught out on my 3m pt skin not able to control the wing well enough to get going again. I’m wondering if a 3m pt hybrid would give me that epic top end control but still enough low end to use on the high 20’s low 30’s days that we get more often here. I don’t think I’d get much use from a 2.5m, maybe just a couple times a year during big storms.

I think the 3.1m hybrid could be the ticket for you. I pushed that into some really high winds and found it ridiculously capable. If you can wait a bit, I get the 2.4m and 3.1m LTX's around the 10th and am hoping those are my new high wind slayers!

Yeah a 3.1 hybrid is definitely on the wish list but I just scored a bargain on a 4.3 hybrid and at my weight it should cover me from about 18 knots up to low 30’s which is about 80% of our good wind days here in Perth. The wing for the really nuking days will have to wait for a while.



The LTX looks great and I’d definitely be interested to hear your thoughts on it. I was considering a 4.2 LTX but thought maybe the lines would be a bit short for my liking. A 5.5 LTX looks absolutely mint for my biggest size.


apologies for the thread hijack!

Hey Bwalnut, cool and very detailed review.


Do you think a double skin/ hybrid would be better for the really high winds? Maybe the Paia or pt hybrid instead of a 2.4m PR?


We had a big storm in Perth a few weeks ago and most riders had a 3 or 3.6 as their smallest parawing. Everyone was really struggling to control them even just going downwind. No one was really even attempting to go upwind. I am 105kg and got caught out on my 3m pt skin not able to control the wing well enough to get going again. I’m wondering if a 3m pt hybrid would give me that epic top end control but still enough low end to use on the high 20’s low 30’s days that we get more often here. I don’t think I’d get much use from a 2.5m, maybe just a couple times a year during big storms.

Not gonna lie it took me a while to get this one

GreenPat said..

IanR said..
they are mostly right leaning

Really? I feel like I'm center-left aligned.
Agreed that we prefer a light touch though.

If you’ve been center left your whole life you’re now a rabid far right extremist. The left has moved so so far left that the normies like us are all now on the right.

Well this is another interesting development in the para world. Strangely on their website some bits were in English but the explanation of the push bar system was in French so I ran it through google translate and this is what I got:

The Pushbar System® - The technology that changes everything
The PBS is the only bar in the world with a true sheeted-in depower system capable of modifying the geometry of a pocket wing in real time. One movement, one push, and you instantly control your power.
Need security in a gust? Push. The wing depowers instantly.
Need a boost? Pull. Maximum power returns.
When used with a harness, the Pushbar System® frees your arms and radically transforms your experience: longer sessions, more precise control, and a doubled wind range. Without a harness, the FYNIX remains a high-performance and intuitive pocket wing like any other. It's the PBS + harness combination that reveals its true potential.
The entire mechanism is integrated inside the carbon bar.
Results: shorter lines, packing in seconds, and a clean aesthetic.
Shorter lines and the absence of a pre-line increase maneuverability. More direct, more responsive control.
Fly longer with less effort. When other riders come back exhausted after an hour and a half, the FYNIX lets you keep going – because pushing on a bar to reduce power uses infinitely less energy than constantly being pulled.
Why is a 33cm bar enough?
Our competitors use 40 to 55cm bars to try to increase their ability to depower the kite. It's a stopgap, not a solution. The Pushbar System® solves the problem at its source: a simple push instantly cuts the power, regardless of the kite size. The result: a short, light, maneuverable bar and a kite that truly responds. The Pushbar System® is a technology developed by SROKA. The name “PushBar System®” is a registered trademark, and the associated innovation is a patent application filed with the INPI (French National Institute of Industrial Property).


I am not totally sure how this is much different to a normal parawing bar setup. They are stating big wind ranges on their website 14 to 29 knots for a 4m!


Also quite cheap. Usually if you get something sent to aus you can get them without VAT then a 4m is about $900 aud so no import fees . I might be wrong about that though.

Well well well, this certainly is an interesting offering from PPC. Full double skin para with a trim/ brake line that gives it low end as good or better than a single skin. They are claiming crazy wind ranges 12-30+ knots for a 3.5m, 10-28 knots for a 4.5m !!! Also saying it should still pack away well. Sounds amazing! I don’t know if all these things are possible at the same time but it would be cool if they are.


Early on in winging PPC held back a bit then knocked it out of the park with their release of the Surge wing. The 3.8m v1 surge is still my most used and all time favourite wing. Although I never really invested in the much newer fancier wings because the Surge just kinda did what I needed it to do.


It looks like PPC are attempting to do the same thing with their release of the Orbit. They are later than most but have brought something totally different than what is currently available. It’s different enough that I personally would need to see a fair few independent reviews and rider feedback before I would invest in one. Prices are already up on OTB Marine and they are a couple hundred more than an ozone so definitely not cheap!


I certainly hope this wing can live up to the claims they are making because if it does it will really ( ok I’m gonna say it) Change the Game!!

ppcfoiling.com/products/ppc-orbit-parawing-pre-order-deposit-100-usd

I have a question for the forum. Would I get much more range or other benefits from swapping my 3m PT skin for a 3.5m quest? I’m thinking better low end but still similar top end so more range overall? The 3m PT skin packs down super easy so don’t necessarily need an upgrade in pack ability. It’s a bit squirly and nervous in its top end so maybe the quest is a bit smoother?