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Thatspec said..
Now that is arguably the most overpriced piece of fabric yet😂
www.purestokesports.com/products/ozone-afterburner-v1-parawing?variant=52828500164925&country=US¤cy=USD&srsltid=AfmBOopPRoOY6hF5VfeHyWtSWAzMrBYze6O1NiJN_KJFhgzWGZIDT-00

It's not the parawing that's limiting my speed...

Afterburning a hole in our wallets with the power pack and PRv2 now they want $1600 USD for the Afterburner 🤯

Basically I think they’re just saying it has great low end, massive wind range and excellent top end, easy stashing, super fast and best upwind/ vmg on the market.


Basically just promising the world

scheggia said..

hudijudi said..

scheggia said..
I'm just under 70 kg. I don't know if you'd consider that light, but I've had my LTX 5.5 flying pretty well in anything from 10 to 25 knots. Under 10 is when it starts to get a bit problematic, but honestly, below 10 knots I'd rather do something else than parawing anyway. On top of that, I prefer having a full quiver of hybrids so the handling stays consistent across all my parawings. I came from a 5.4 single-skin and a 4.3 Hybrid. The 5.4 was the parawing I used the most because conditions where I live tend to be on the lighter side. Every time I switched to the 4.3, I needed some time to adjust my handling. Now, with the LTX as my big wing, I can switch between wings without any real adjustment time. And at the other end of the range, I can take the 4.3 out in 30+ knots without any problem. For me, having similar handling across the whole quiver is worth much more than squeezing out a little extra low-end from the biggest size.

Do you have experience with the 3.1 hybrid as well? What is the range for you on the hybrids? I was not aware that the 4.3 was able to go up to 30+

No, my smallest hybrid is the 4.3. We almost never have 30+ kts days where I leave and if I have a nuking day I'll just go SUP downwind. Ranges are huge. I'm confortable eith the LTX 5.5 from 10 to 25 kts and with the Hybrid 4.3 from 15 to 30. Reality is that when it's around 18 I switch to the Hybrid.

Thats mad! I have a 4.3 pt hybrid that I just got recently and haven’t used it yet( had one session on a friends 4.3 hybrid) the range of 15 to 30+ knots is epic, thats pretty much all the good days we have here in Perth. If you can hold yours at 30 knots at 70kg I should be able to manage it a bit higher than that at 105 kg. It might end up making my 3m PT skin redundant. Realistically for me I could be using it from 18 to 30-35 seems a bit hard to believe.


Sheggia do you think the 5.5 LTX has a bit less low end than the 5.4 PT skin? I am pretty happy with the range on the 5.4 it gets me going from about 12-15 up to about 20 knots which is good for our lighter days. I wouldn’t want to give up too much low end but if the 5.5 LTX is better packing and better upwind/ vmg that would make it a good upgrade.

djdojo said..
Yeah, wind range spacing seems odd.
In my conditions (Port Phillip Bay), if I’m on a smaller para, I’m also on a smaller foil.

To be credible for me, the low end for the 2.7 should be what it takes to get up on a small foil ( in my case 570 UHA), and the low end for the 4.5 would be what it takes to get me up on something big (970). The 3.5, somewhere in between (for me, 770 or 670).

If I’m down on the ocean, there may be big bumps but light wind, so I’ll have a big para with a small foil, but never the other way around.

Actually about a month ago I was out in 30-45 knots on my spitfire 1180 ( 1180 span 1500cm2) that’is my biggest foil. We had the biggest storm we’ve had in a few years in Perth we were on the swan river though so there’s almost no fetch. Downwind only in that wind. Barely able to control my 3m pt skin long enough to get it tucked away but once I did it was a fun surfy run. The big foil was the right size for the still quite slow bumps on the river.



We get plenty of days in Perth winter where the wind is strong and gusty but not a good direction to create bigger bumps so a big foil small para is the best setup.


Anyway thats totally beside the point. It would be great if there was a standard measurement for wind ranges like they have for car mileage but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. A brands stated wind range should be taken as a rough guesstimate only.


What I’m really interested in finding out is can a double skin with the PAL to increase camber create more low end grunt than a single skin? I think there’s a chance that it could. If you take a good solid clean airfoil from the double skin, perhaps there will be very little flutter and it may stay more solid in pumping, then you increase the camber to give it as much low end grunt as possible maybe it does create more power than a single skin. A single skin is more like a parachute using more raw grunt whereas the double skin would be more like a wing creating lift.


It’s an interesting question. I guess we will know the answer for sure in the next couple of months.

Great feedback Doug and scheggia, when I replace my 5.4 pt skin I am thinking of either the 5.5 ltx or 5.7 PRv2.


Doug how does the 5.7 PRv2 pack down, can you squeeze it into a stash belt? What is your low end on it?


Scheggia how is the low end on the 5.5 ltx vs the 5.4 pt skin? Is the ltx much better upwind? Does it pack down easier and better ?

Nice one fellas. Definitely interested to hear your feedback on the LTX thinking of a 5.5 as my biggest pwing. It would be interesting to know how much extra wind range and upwind you get from the LTX when compared to a good single skin like the PRV2. Also how good is the stashing, is it in the realm of something like the ozone power pack but with better top end and upwind?


We’ve got a bit of an onslaught of hybrids and double skins shaking things up a bit now with pt hybrid getting really good reviews, LTX and Altis hybrid looking very promising and the PPC orbit possibly a bit of a gamechanger. Crazy how fast it’s all moving.

Foil drives are for old boys with cash to burn that are too old and unfit to prone/ sup in the surf or downwind.

Now I don’t criticise these old boys for doing it. A lot of the time they are having an absolute blast when they wouldn’t be able to otherwise.

And yes the majority of them are absolute dogs with zero surf/foil etiquette or recognition of the fact they’re on a motorised craft and are legally required to stay away from non motorised water users. Most of them have the funds available to fight the court case when they do eventually decapitate someone anyway so abiding by laws, etiquette or respect for the fellow human being is not high on their list but at least their having fun and good on them, thats all I’m saying!

WindWaterSailAU said..

Youngbreezy said..
Anyone got thoughts on the 5.7 pr v2? I am wondering if I should replace my 5.4 pt skin with a 5.7 pr v2 or maybe a 5.5 ltx ?? ( or just keep the PT skin coz I’m pretty happy with it)

Just grabbed the 5.7 V2 to get a bit more low end(also have the 5'4m PT skin which I highly rate) - only one quick session so far, but does seem to have more grunt and lines seem shorter.
Pretty happy with gybing ability for such a big wing. Stashed canopy size is large. Did get the wingtips stuck in a few times when redeploying, not sure why but probably operator error.
Seemed harder to control in 20 knots than the 5.4m PT.
Need some more sessions to give a decent comparison, but will post when I do.

Thanks thats great feedback, keep us updated on how it goes for you.

Well interesting to see that people are actually using and enjoying the plume. To me it looks like an evolutionary dead end. You get the compromised low end and pumping of a parawing and you can’t pack it away like an inflatable. Perhaps it flags a bit better than a normal inflatable wing but if you need to size up on the plume surely that would cancel out the better flagging. If you could be on a 3m wing or 5m plume surely the flagging would still be better on a 3m wing.

It would be interesting to see whether or not Fone continues production on these, so far no other brands have jumped on board.


With that said if you’re enjoying it and it works for you go for it.

pp4 said..

baldy123 said..
I’ve had two more parawing sessions over the weekend. Took the 4.3m out in the upper end of its wind range. Was gusting 30knots. Wing tips folded over at max wind and felt pretty hard to control. Had the 3.6m Powerpack on my back so swapped in the water. This was much more controllable. Probably due to smaller size more than design. For my weight (85kg) i reckon the 3.6m is the optimum size parawing when correctly powered up. Not too small and twitchy but enough power to lean into it.


Today was lighter around 20knots and the 4.3m felt great. I need to work on harness line placement I think and maybe go to a two point line. I feel the PRv2 wants to ride with more back hand pressure. Not a fan of gybing the PRv2 in light wind. I figured out the stash and redeploy better today and had a lot more success. Just takes more care and effort to stow neatly than my powerpack.

I have the same feeling in terms of back hand pressure, maybe that is part of the problem, back lines are mainly steering, and it looks like in those videos with vertical movement is happening when the bar is fully on depower mode.

My 3m PT skin gets a bit twitchy and wiggles up and down a bit when it’s at its top end, especially in gusty conditions. I find a bit of back line pressure really helps this and smooths it out. Obviously different wings so I don’t know if that’s relevant but works for me.

Well well well, this certainly is an interesting offering from PPC. Full double skin para with a trim/ brake line that gives it low end as good or better than a single skin. They are claiming crazy wind ranges 12-30+ knots for a 3.5m, 10-28 knots for a 4.5m !!! Also saying it should still pack away well. Sounds amazing! I don’t know if all these things are possible at the same time but it would be cool if they are.


Early on in winging PPC held back a bit then knocked it out of the park with their release of the Surge wing. The 3.8m v1 surge is still my most used and all time favourite wing. Although I never really invested in the much newer fancier wings because the Surge just kinda did what I needed it to do.


It looks like PPC are attempting to do the same thing with their release of the Orbit. They are later than most but have brought something totally different than what is currently available. It’s different enough that I personally would need to see a fair few independent reviews and rider feedback before I would invest in one. Prices are already up on OTB Marine and they are a couple hundred more than an ozone so definitely not cheap!


I certainly hope this wing can live up to the claims they are making because if it does it will really ( ok I’m gonna say it) Change the Game!!

ppcfoiling.com/products/ppc-orbit-parawing-pre-order-deposit-100-usd