Help support stronger beach camping penalties (WA)

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westozwind
westozwind
WA
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WA, 1419 posts
23 Jun 2011 9:27am
Due to the complete lack of respect shown by teuros over the last few seasons, it seams that Stirling city council are going to take a stronger stance on beach carpark camping :)
You can read the article here:-
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/9691948/council-to-clamp-down-on-beach-campers/

If you live near the beach (hence in a council area with beach carparks in their jurisdiction) then can you please send a mail to them asking if they will be doing the same. If you are in Stirling, then send a letter of support for this initiative.
I have drafted some text for you to use (This is for Cockburn city council). Just cut and paste and send :)

Dear Sir/Madam,
Can you please advise if the council will be following the lead of the City of Stirling and impose greater penalties for those found camping in beach car parks. Propose penalties include impounding of vehicles, which I fully support. The imposing of harsher penalties will also provide economic benefit through additional income to the caravan parks in the area.
The last few summers has seen a massive increase in camping activities at beach car parks. Woodman point car park was full of faeces and rubbish left by very inconsiderate visitors.
Can you please advise how you will be addressing this issue. I believe a strong stance will provide economic benefit to both the council and accommodation providers in the area.
Regards


I know it's not a full list, but here are a few contact details:-
Cockburn city council
[email protected]

Town of Cottesloe
[email protected]

City of Fremantle
[email protected]

Town of Cambridge
[email protected]

City of Mandurah
[email protected]

City of Rockingham
[email protected]

City of Stirling
[email protected]

City of Joondalup
[email protected]

bjw
bjw
QLD
3691 posts
bjw bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
23 Jun 2011 12:17pm
Who is keen for an Australia with more regulations?
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
23 Jun 2011 11:03am
Personally I'd like to see an end to ferals washing out their cookwear and plates in the kn indoor/outdoor beach showers!! Gross!

Ditto for dune rabbits (used dunny paper floating around the dunes).

I can understand the attraction of dossing by the beach - rent free - but a lot of camper ferals just don't respect the area(s) and other beach users. They are bludging instead of forking out a small cost for a campsite with ablutions etc.

With ya on this wow.
Ados
Ados
WA
421 posts
WA, 421 posts
23 Jun 2011 11:47am
getfunky said...

Personally I'd like to see an end to ferals washing out their cookwear and plates in the kn indoor/outdoor beach showers!! Gross!

Ditto for dune rabbits (used dunny paper floating around the dunes).

I can understand the attraction of dossing by the beach - rent free - but a lot of camper ferals just don't respect the area(s) and other beach users. They are bludging instead of forking out a small cost for a campsite with ablutions etc.

With ya on this wow.


I think the bigger picture is that if we enforce bigger fines or wheel clamping, combined with a lack of camping facilities, tourists will be forced to go elsewhere and we wont get the hot swedish back packers no more. I think that would be a loss for everyone.
bjw
bjw
QLD
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bjw bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
23 Jun 2011 1:51pm
^yep, and Australia is not the tourist destination it was in the 80's, facilities are becoming run down and it expensive.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
23 Jun 2011 12:04pm
bjw said...

Who is keen for an Australia with more regulations?


The regs are there already, they just want to toughen them up or enforce them better. It wouldn't be a problem if the ones that live like ferals cleaned up their act and didn't stay for weeks or months on end. Somehow I don't think the legislation is aimed at the grey nomads that pull up and stop overnight and keep moving, leaving no trace they were ever there.

And boo hoo, there are enough caravan parks in Perth, not our fault they are not all right on the beach.
Dazza65
Dazza65
QLD
389 posts
QLD, 389 posts
23 Jun 2011 2:09pm
In respect to disrepecting our car parks its probably all about Euro's repaying Aussies back for the carnage Contiki tours cause across Europe
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
23 Jun 2011 12:45pm
No, won't support that..... bad law that will punish the people doing the right thing!
It is bad enough not been allowed driving 4x4 on the beach..... shire have already too much power, next we will have to pay to park when we go wind surfing! Get the council rangers to do a bit of patrolling on beach car parks and fine who is not doing the right thing!
raynef2005
raynef2005
QLD
161 posts
QLD, 161 posts
23 Jun 2011 3:00pm
Totally against this. I think there is nothing better than finding a secluded beach and setting up for the night.
BabaORiley
BabaORiley
WA
434 posts
WA, 434 posts
23 Jun 2011 1:27pm
Against it as I was thinkin of joinin the grey nomads. Need designated areas for campers with a limit of 1 week stay then move on. Typical Stirling money grabbin D@#k H$%d council.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
23 Jun 2011 1:50pm
Went to NZ for a short stay, travelled in a camper, you are allowed to camp on public space like along any rivers or car park. Most town have dumping filling stations for camper vans and the spots are well advertised, what a great attitude!
The council's money grabbing attitude here is wrong. 15 years ago we use to go to Leeman and spend the weekend in the sand dunes; we were a group of friends and never left anything behind us. Now it is impossible because too many ar$holes behaved like pigs and ruined it for every one! Was easy for the council to go and tell would be campers to go away! If it had been policed properly in the first instance it would be a very different story.
There is an easy way to beat the rangers, just tell them you are too drunk to drive and see what happens!
BabaORiley
BabaORiley
WA
434 posts
WA, 434 posts
23 Jun 2011 2:00pm
felixdcat said...

Went to NZ for a short stay, travelled in a camper, you are allowed to camp on public space like along any rivers or car park. Most town have dumping filling stations for camper vans and the spots are well advertised, what a great attitude!
The council's money grabbing attitude here is wrong. 15 years ago we use to go to Leeman and spend the weekend in the sand dunes; we were a group of friends and never left anything behind us. Now it is impossible because too many ar$holes behaved like pigs and ruined it for every one! Was easy for the council to go and tell would be campers to go away! If it had been policed properly in the first instance it would be a very different story.
There is an easy way to beat the rangers, just tell them you are too drunk to drive and see what happens!


Pull the old duty of care trick on em Felix, i like it....

stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
23 Jun 2011 4:53pm
felixdcat said...

There is an easy way to beat the rangers, just tell them you are too drunk to drive and see what happens!



the rangers call the cops. the cops come and make your life complicated
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
23 Jun 2011 3:03pm
stamp said...

felixdcat said...

There is an easy way to beat the rangers, just tell them you are too drunk to drive and see what happens!



the rangers call the cops. the cops come and make your life complicated


If you have your keys on you or in the ignition you will get busted.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
23 Jun 2011 3:32pm
No fkn way, are you serious?-more bull**** regulations-you can keep that in the city thanks.

I have a beach carpark in front of my house and the euro camper vans stop there at least one or 2 nights a week during tourist season.
They are no bother whatsoever, friendly but keep to themselves unless you talk to them and mostly unobtrusive.
The only time rubbish has been left is when either the council hasnt emptied the bin or some scumbag pinched it.

On the other hand local yokels do donuts in the gravel, light bonfires and set off flares in the scrub, scream thru the carpark on quads and dirtbikes, break bottles and are the only ones who make c++ts of themselves.

Ban everything-then introduce a licence for it, so you have to pay for it-great idea. I cant believe there arent quite a few people on here who havent backpacked around Europe, slept in train stations etc, nor that there are people who are ok with this.

It may suit your particular case where you are mate but to write to all councils suggesting that sort of stuff, sorry but its the stupidest suggestion I have seen here since someone posted about tying a bedsheet to 4 strings and being pulled along on a eskylid.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
23 Jun 2011 3:46pm
doggie said...

stamp said...

felixdcat said...

There is an easy way to beat the rangers, just tell them you are too drunk to drive and see what happens!



the rangers call the cops. the cops come and make your life complicated


If you have your keys on you or in the ignition you will get busted.

They can't bust you for having the keys in your pocket! I think they would be very friendly with you for doing the right thing! Do not over do it..... just say that you had 3 full strenght beers in the last hour , you feel that you are over the limit and would not take the risk!

stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
23 Jun 2011 7:59pm
when i was a teenager my mates and i went on our first surfing road trip to phillip island. we camped in our vehicles at a deserted beach carpark after a few drinks.

the cops came by around midnight and told us we weren't allowed to sleep in the cars as it was against the local by laws, and we weren't allowed to drive anywhere under the influence. so every half hour until the end of their shift they came back to make sure we were awake, not drinking anymore, and not inside our vehicles.....
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
23 Jun 2011 7:12pm
Points taken on some of the pros to camping out in carparks (and yes the Contiki brigade have us in debt) but there are heaps of campers in and around scarbs these days. One or two would go unnoticed but a dozen setting up camp for a week is not on IMO.

Ados
Ados
WA
421 posts
WA, 421 posts
23 Jun 2011 7:25pm
I've met some really nice people camping down at South Beach in the summer. Never saw any mess and definitely none of the loutish behavior you usually see from bogans on a Sat night in Freo.
Spocktek
Spocktek
WA
281 posts
WA, 281 posts
23 Jun 2011 7:39pm
'Yeah, lets ban camping, ban gennies, ban staying up past sunset, ban even thinking about having fun!'
Sabalo
Sabalo
WA
15 posts
WA, 15 posts
24 Jun 2011 1:10am
as a ratepayer in stirling I am stoked to have the van dwelling touros at the beach. the only problem is envy when there are plenty of toilets around to stop people using the dunes how can anyone have a reason to want to stop this? you can park all day when it is busy but at night with few people around it is a crime to be asleep in your car????
the loss of the ability to enjoy our state without coin is a forgotten casualty of our oh so wonderfull "boom".
FLYING ANT
FLYING ANT
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
24 Jun 2011 8:25am
The so called WA Tourism Authority wants all the tourist dollars they can get,they spend(waste) big dollars on promoting WA(ie overseas,like the "Where the Bloody Hell are we promo") Yet if they put there minds together and thought about all the grey nomads and overnighter campers looking for somewhere clean and safe for one or two nights,they could capitalise on this missed opportunity.The few Caravan Parks that are in the Perth metro area cannot cope with this situation,they are more interested in the onsite tenants. As someone else said on here,other States in Australia(and Tassie) do have a system in place for o/nighters,but not here in WA.
Just hit them with a big bloody stick-that's great .
e0422713
e0422713
WA
975 posts
WA, 975 posts
24 Jun 2011 8:39am
do they have a reciprical agreement
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
24 Jun 2011 10:48am
It is perfectly reasonable for someone to spend the night in a beach car park if they are passing through and there is no alternative facilities convenient.

It is not reasonable for people to live in car parks or camp in them when there are camping grounds available, or you are too cheap to pay the fees at camping ground.

It is not reasonable if lots of people are doing it. Nobody minds the odd camper here or there. Everybody minds a car park full of backpackers in crappy old cars with their washing strung all over the place.

Not having money is a reasonable excuse, ie you are homeless. Being too cheap to pay is not.

BTW. Cops hassling you for staying in a car park because you are too drunk to drive is a good thing. They could easily have found an excuse to lock you up. Instead they just taught you a lesson.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
24 Jun 2011 11:14am
How weird... yesterday I was in the sauna at my local and this guy was complaining he had been fined by the council for having a nap in his car near the beach.

I think we should do away with councils and have volunteers... those FARKING councils are out of control.

Where I work we used to have a nice walk way with grass, trees and a paved footpath through the grass look: www.google.com:443/maps?q&hl=en&ll=-33.789723,151.132157&spn=0.000378,0.000494&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.898798,54.228516&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=-33.789723,151.132157&panoid=CxMMM0hmrlBmfA6WCavpog&cbp=12,15.36,,0,1.47

Then 2-3 months ago the ripped it all out, concreted it all (SERIOUSLY), and put parking stations there!

NOBODY ever parks there, and few walk there, I would some times ride my bike there to work.
Now the concrete will absorb heat, it looks REALLY bad, and MY TAXES PAID FOR IT.
I stopped riding to work, cos there was no path, and it's still missing sections. Also they didn't do the draining properly so there's parts of it that haven't dried since the last time it rained.

DAMN THE COUNCIL.

Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
25 Jun 2011 7:52pm
years ago i had a nap in my car in ventnor (after fishing off the beach all evening) and police asked me to move on (fair enough) and i told them i was so tired i was worried about having a prang (which i was), and they just told me to move on as soon as i felt awake enough, and they left me be
GPA
GPA
WA
2529 posts
GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
25 Jun 2011 6:05pm
getfunky said...

Points taken on some of the pros to camping out in carparks (and yes the Contiki brigade have us in debt) but there are heaps of campers in and around scarbs these days. One or two would go unnoticed but a dozen setting up camp for a week is not on IMO.




For a few weeks in a row mid last Summer there was no less than seven vans set up at the southern end of Trigg 2nd car park. They had there vans long ways so that they could shelter from the SW'er - and a couple of them had a tarp strung between two cars - collectively taking most of the back row... pots & pans and deck chairs everywhere... having said that, I never saw any mess or any trouble and it was nice paddling behind one of the learner euro chicks
MIKO
MIKO
QLD
408 posts
QLD, 408 posts
25 Jun 2011 8:19pm
shark said...

No fkn way, are you serious?-more bull**** regulations-you can keep that in the city thanks.

I have a beach carpark in front of my house and the euro camper vans stop there at least one or 2 nights a week during tourist season.
They are no bother whatsoever, friendly but keep to themselves unless you talk to them and mostly unobtrusive.
The only time rubbish has been left is when either the council hasnt emptied the bin or some scumbag pinched it.

On the other hand local yokels do donuts in the gravel, light bonfires and set off flares in the scrub, scream thru the carpark on quads and dirtbikes, break bottles and are the only ones who make c++ts of themselves.

sounds just like my local, the local crusty demons wih no respect for anyone or anything
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
25 Jun 2011 6:25pm
I always feel assured my car is safe with the backpackers doing their cooking cleaning washing drum beating as i go out to enjoy the SW'er.

I don't mind them camping out there so long as they leave the place tidier than when they came and don't disturb the locals any more than the drunk pr!cks from the pub do.
I even saw a few of them in the summer down at contos car park picking up rubbish on their way back from the beach.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
26 Jun 2011 4:24pm
So long as they respect the place (and they do in my experience onshore) I kinda like them to enjoy and be jealous of the freedoms we experience here. We have the rest of eternity for the shiny ass beauracrats to think of ways to stifle our lifestyle without putting our own efforts into helping them.

Of course euros on the water-thats something else, they should have a licence and/or seperate visa to allow them to enter our water, and made to wear a yellow flouro reflective top with written on the back
"Ich bin sorry-its your wave"!

AquaPlow
AquaPlow
QLD
1066 posts
QLD, 1066 posts
26 Jun 2011 10:44pm
The local reason carparks are popular and getting hard to stay in.
Off-season rates....


One good thing about the campsites is the number of permanents is dropping - it has been banned for a number of years.

AP
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