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Shark Rally at Parlament House Perth 11am Wed 8th May

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Created by Luma Two weeks ago, 3 May 2018
Richoa
NSW, 351 posts
Thursday , 17 May 2018 11:01AM
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Bara said..

azymuth said..
Dave Kelly - 20 years experience as a trade union official and a BA degree.

No wonder he is out of his depth as Fisheries Minister (pun intended)



it gets worse -not content falsifying the cost of drums hes now refusing free ones from NSW!

thewest.com.au/news/sharks/wa-urged-to-accept-free-drum-lines-offer-from-nsw-ng-b88837388z


Sounds like this Kelly guy is not one to accept help or recognize a problem.

jbshack
WA, 6696 posts
Thursday , 17 May 2018 9:51AM
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Its a shame people don't understand the issue involved with smart drum lines.

Firstly the $50 to $75 million price/quote was to cover the entire region, so everyone is simply taking his comments out of context.

Secondly as for the offer of the use of 5 drum lines "hardware" from NSW Liberal government. Well even channel 7 Sunrise this morning called it for what it was, a political stunt between a liberal government and a labour government.

All the time the local state Labour government has said is "We will await the offical report from NSW regarding the trail of smart drum lines". So if NSW really wanted to make a difference, why not release that info Remember that they have yet to make any offical statement on their effectiveness.

They even will not release the info on immediate movement of sharks once released.

Lastly the Federal liberal government are saying that Labour should be tagging, well why did they BLOCK/deny the offer for Ocearch to tag Great Whites of our state for FREE..

Bara
WA, 331 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 8:13AM
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jbshack said..
Its a shame people don't understand the issue involved with smart drum lines.

Firstly the $50 to $75 million price/quote was to cover the entire region, so everyone is simply taking his comments out of context.

Secondly as for the offer of the use of 5 drum lines "hardware" from NSW Liberal government. Well even channel 7 Sunrise this morning called it for what it was, a political stunt between a liberal government and a labour government.

All the time the local state Labour government has said is "We will await the offical report from NSW regarding the trail of smart drum lines". So if NSW really wanted to make a difference, why not release that info Remember that they have yet to make any offical statement on their effectiveness.

They even will not release the info on immediate movement of sharks once released.

Lastly the Federal liberal government are saying that Labour should be tagging, well why did they BLOCK/deny the offer for Ocearch to tag Great Whites of our state for FREE..


Lol nothing but a labor apologist these days professor shack. The outrageous lies about the cost of the program were designed to mislead not " taken out of context"

You swallowed it hook line and sinker for some reason.

It's interesting to compare the 2 different attitudes between state fisheries ministers. One in Nsw was losing sleep over his responsibility to protect human life while the other couldn't give a flying fark and his completely comfortable to let more die while they do nothing. It's an amazing lack of humanity seems to me.

Still waiting on your mysterious reason why receivers can't be deployed between the capes. Surely the clown Kelly would have brought this up while clutching at straws on why the do nothing approach is acceptable?

DARTH
WA, 2684 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 10:15AM
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I think trying to make the WA gov pay for anything at the moment wont work even if it's for free.

They need to make money right now so what they need to do is issue a shark fishing licence (GWS only- this could be set up as a tourism exercise as well) set a bag limit per month, say 3 per 250 km stretch of coast.
Also better management of dead whales. There is enough aircraft flying over the state to report dead whales and they need to be kept off the beaches. This could be done by the operators of the above licence for the GWS. Also the anchor point would be placed 4-5ks <(this could also change) offshore to encourage sharks to go further from the coast for a feed.

I've never been one for an outright cull but thinning the population and training the sharks to say offshore would be a good start and this way the gov get paid instead of the other way around.

Just a thought


LateStarter
WA, 580 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 11:00AM
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Lastly the Federal liberal government are saying that Labour should be tagging, well why did they BLOCK/deny the offer for Ocearch to tag Great Whites of our state for FREE..


The terms of Osearch's offer meant that the Government had no say in what went to air.

The dramatized publication of an apparent shark epidemic to a worldwide audience would have been a PR disaster for the state, tourism and the Government.


Stuthepirate
WA, 3311 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 1:29PM
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The dramatized publication of an apparent shark epidemic to a worldwide audience would have been a PR disaster for the state, tourism and the Government.




Is that pretty much what has happened now due to WSL events and comments?

novetti
WA, 190 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 2:25PM
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LateStarter said..

jbshack said..
Lastly the Federal liberal government are saying that Labour should be tagging, well why did they BLOCK/deny the offer for Ocearch to tag Great Whites of our state for FREE..



The terms of Osearch's offer meant that the Government had no say in what went to air.

The dramatized publication of an apparent shark epidemic to a worldwide audience would have been a PR disaster for the state, tourism and the Government.




Well they have been warned for years, we stoopid have been saying for a long time (a good number of years now).

Goverment / NGO's / shark huggers prefered to rejoice and sit on their hands all this time. Can't be sorry, they are just receiving the unleashed result for inaction. Caught by surprise from the world reaction? (surprise! not everyone thinks like you do at other parts of the world in the shark vs. human life debate).

Now if they catch a wave or two in Bali, with travel/acommodation/beer/hospitality costs a fraction what they are in far WA (shark infested with a local populace that trumps the fish over human life) to run of attend the event, I bet they won't be rushing to return the tornament to its original spot in years to come.

Maybe only if the goverment spills public money to lure them back to be shark bait here. Very ironic...

Bara
WA, 331 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 4:24PM
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DARTH said..
I think trying to make the WA gov pay for anything at the moment wont work even if it's for free.

They need to make money right now so what they need to do is issue a shark fishing licence (GWS only- this could be set up as a tourism exercise as well) set a bag limit per month, say 3 per 250 km stretch of coast.
Also better management of dead whales. There is enough aircraft flying over the state to report dead whales and they need to be kept off the beaches. This could be done by the operators of the above licence for the GWS. Also the anchor point would be placed 4-5ks <(this could also change) offshore to encourage sharks to go further from the coast for a feed.

I've never been one for an outright cull but thinning the population and training the sharks to say offshore would be a good start and this way the gov get paid instead of the other way around.

Just a thought




Yep agree this is where it should head eventually combined with some protected beaches like nsw qld and south africa but due to the shark hugging fraternity it's baby steps and more unnecessary deaths along the way.

Need the research on population numbers so you can manage a fishery and that's where the smart drums and tagging will come in after either labor back flips or the libs get in.

Not if. When.

jbshack
WA, 6696 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 5:10PM
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jbshack said..
Lastly the Federal liberal government are saying that Labour should be tagging, well why did they BLOCK/deny the offer for Ocearch to tag Great Whites of our state for FREE..





The terms of Osearch's offer meant that the Government had no say in what went to air.

The dramatized publication of an apparent shark epidemic to a worldwide audience would have been a PR disaster for the state, tourism and the Government.






Thats funny (also not true), why would the government then let them tag Tiger sharks in QLd and WA

The truth is that the Liberal government rushed around, spending money, waisting money and now we have no money to do anything..The libs are pushing the bandwagon because they are simply trying to hurt the Labour government. The state libs have not even made an offical statement that if in power, they would run the SDL trail. They haven't even done the maths/costings. If Dave Kellys quote was so outrageous, why not stump up the proof that he inflated them, surely that would be easy, unless they cant because they also now the real cost.

Catching a shark, tagging it and dragging it 500 m out to sea is not going to help anyone for water safety. Especially when the nearest receivers are in Esperance and Perth Metro..But the same mob keep demanding it..

Commonsense is needed, but people are too caught up fighting again about what needs to be done. The state Labour government has said, "They will await the offical results of the NSW SDL trail". So what that means for you dumb dumbs is they are asking for proof before blindly spending millions of dollars..Something i wish Barnet had done..Something id call good government. Stamp your feet like a two year old, it wont help anyone..

MDSXR6T
WA, 915 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 7:52PM
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Catching a shark, tagging it and dragging it 500 m out to sea is not going to help anyone for water safety. Especially when the nearest receivers are in Esperance and Perth Metro..But the same mob keep demanding it..


Is that not the stupiest idea you have ever heard? Not only is it a massive WOFTAM but the shark will come back a day or 2 later. The only winners are the blokes with the contracts.

If they want them electronically tagged (really we either have to monitor them much better in real time or a cull) they might as well allow licensed game fishing operators to target them and then document/release them. It then costs the goverment very little (tags and monitoring bouys) and it's been proven 100's of thousand times to work well on billfish, other shark species, GT's in Hawaii (some interesting findings there), even down to black bream.

jbshack
WA, 6696 posts
Friday , 18 May 2018 9:00PM
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MDSXR6T said..


jbshack said..
Catching a shark, tagging it and dragging it 500 m out to sea is not going to help anyone for water safety. Especially when the nearest receivers are in Esperance and Perth Metro..But the same mob keep demanding it..




Is that not the stupiest idea you have ever heard? Not only is it a massive WOFTAM but the shark will come back a day or 2 later. The only winners are the blokes with the contracts.

If they want them electronically tagged (really we either have to monitor them much better in real time or a cull) they might as well allow licensed game fishing operators to target them and then document/release them. It then costs the goverment very little (tags and monitoring bouys) and it's been proven 100's of thousand times to work well on billfish, other shark species, GT's in Hawaii (some interesting findings there), even down to black bream.



Well thats what the rally to parliament was calling for, thats what has got all the support on this page. Hence my point, i wish some people would get a clue about what they are asking for..

busterwa
3552 posts
Sunday , 20 May 2018 2:43PM
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Its not about what people think anymore its About What will work. Fisheries minister is a Muppet running is own thoughts and agenda. This conflicts with the ability for him to protect all ocean users and change the overall global image of Western Australia as community and tourist destination.
Be very careful what you wish for. \
Open it up to commercials.FFS Its a no brainer.
(refuse to get into another argument with JBS) You very aware of my view)
(ps im not going to drink ice coffee and go for a attempted aqua nard in your letter box)

busterwa
3552 posts
Sunday , 20 May 2018 6:02PM
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im not scared of sharks couldn't care less. I've lost everyone. 4 divers 3500$ a year gone to dive shops. used to surf gone 1000$ gone. 24,000$Boat sold -2000$ per anum to industry gone.. Only thing I do is windsurf now. Go overseas on a dive " where you from " perth " wouldn't dive there to many sharks" Its to late for many people like myself. I'm done. id probably never take up them sports again unfortunately. So Stick to your Cray pots and fishing and go save the planet Have a nice hot latte while the rest of us consider the "realtime" impacts of this current situation. JBS Isn't it time for you to start surfing real waves instead of surfing the information super highway?
All good got a hard tail mountain bike now. your choice. "Don't go in the water don't get attacked by sharks"

jbshack
WA, 6696 posts
Sunday , 20 May 2018 7:49PM
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I don't understand what your saying, if your not scared of sharks, then why did you stop surfing and diving and what does it have to do with this thread

busterwa
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Monday , 21 May 2018 7:56PM
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Its quite simple. Take no action business and tourism will take a hit. Think its about time there is action rather than statistics and a bunch of protesting hypocrites www.perthnow.com.au/news/sharks/sharks-wa-dive-shops-close-doors-after-fear-turns-customers-away-ng-b88830783z Damage done Will it recover " not in the nanny state "Anyways Whatever. Listened to your bull**** for long enough to work out that the best solution to the shark problem is not go in the water. Don't buy a boat buy a pool instead. Don't buy dive equipment buy a mountain bike. Don't buy a surfboard buy subscription to women's weekly and get a free quilt making stencil.

jbshack
WA, 6696 posts
Yesterday , 22 May 2018 4:53PM
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busterwa said..
Its quite simple. Take no action business and tourism will take a hit. Think its about time there is action rather than statistics and a bunch of protesting hypocrites www.perthnow.com.au/news/sharks/sharks-wa-dive-shops-close-doors-after-fear-turns-customers-away-ng-b88830783z Damage done Will it recover " not in the nanny state "Anyways Whatever. Listened to your bull**** for long enough to work out that the best solution to the shark problem is not go in the water. Don't buy a boat buy a pool instead. Don't buy dive equipment buy a mountain bike. Don't buy a surfboard buy subscription to women's weekly and get a free quilt making stencil.



I agree sharks are not helping dive shops (Well at least the media coverage of sharks) , but most will tell you its Internet shopping that has hurt the most.

As for a bunch of protesting hypocrites, this entire thread is about a rally that wanted to catch and tag sharks then let them go even though their is little scientific evidence to prove that will help.

busterwa
3552 posts
Yesterday , 22 May 2018 8:13PM
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I do like the idea . a few pop-up notifications on your smart phone via face book protecting the people eating banana bread and fish and chips on the beach. Need to get that tec working to its fullest potential Mabe incorporate notifications to people in the water that don't carry any devices a warning about seagulls. Gota be cheaper than a helicopter evac.



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