you mean l platers are required to log hours before they get their p's right ?

Indeed there are many interesting ways to look at the situation, and partially I do agree in principal with WA66's comments.

Though out of the best interests for our hobbies/sports - learners should be banned from this spot - as you also have to take into account the Windsurfers,swimmers,family sandcastle builders and dog walkers use of the area and right to be able to participate in there chosen leisure activity without risk of being struck/inured or tangled up by a learner kiter..

If the area is for public use and a particular hobby for example, like Jetskiing was a threat to the public - the endangering hobby gets banned from the area..

If it becomes learner kiters - so too it will get banned for all kiters!
So maybe the various viewpoints might fear better concentrating on a bigger picture than ones currently seeing

IMO

Never fitted in and always were a pain in the ads. Last post enough said!

Jonopark said...

Teach them to ride a bike, on a bmx track. Learn to swim, in waves. Learn to surf, at the box. Would you call me a bad parent???

Correct. Coz you are not licensed to do so

You'll need a license to buy a ciggie...Not to mention smoking in public[}:)]

If on any given day the first kiters to arrive and get on the water are beginners, please tell me what what gives you the right to say i am better than you, get out off the water cause i am proficient you should not be here?

Nobody wanting to answer this? Very strange, simple question.

I see it all the time. If there is a beach full of guys/girls either learning or getting up but not holding there groung you see kites hitting the water, bodies flying through the air, people cutting each other off etc. We are lucky enough to have most learners using common sence to use the beaches suited to them but i would love to see what would happen if they went to a beach like the one in question. It could get nasty. We kite at beaches where you have 3 to 400m of beach with reef either end. Deep water and you have to launch and land between light poles and trees. There are virtually no problems there because the guys who kite there no there skill level. It does not take a lifetime to become proficient enough to kite in not so learner friendly places but if your going to mix up your expectations with your capabilities in this sport you will get hurt or hurt someone else. WA is a big place. There must be other beaches suited better for learning.

WA66 said...

If on any given day the first kiters to arrive and get on the water are beginners, please tell me what what gives you the right to say i am better than you, get out off the water cause i am proficient you should not be here?

Nobody wanting to answer this? Very strange, simple question.

WA66 said...


If on any given day the first kiters to arrive and get on the water are beginners, please tell me what what gives you the right to say i am better than you, get out off the water cause i am proficient you should not be here?

Nobody wanting to answer this? Very strange, simple question.

Very simple answer too. Its already been said several times.
The Pond (in a SB) is no place for beginners or students because it is offshore where you kite and onshore to parks, roads, power lines, pedestians, cyclists, windsurfers (who are working within their allocated zone) etc etc
Its just plain common sense.
Argue about the rights of competent vs advanced if you like but dont include beginners. They shouldnt be there if its blowing across to the road.

The Pond is a dangerous place to Kite with an onshore breeze, fullstop. For that fact alone I would recommend people wanting to learn and improve basic kite skills try a location with a sideshore wind. Plenty of locations for that.

that does not mean that Beginners need to be banned or that there needs to be a sign saying "You must be this good to kite this location"

Why don't we try assist and inform new kiters as to where safe locations are, I know I would've had trouble identifying all the dangers at each location without other peoples advice in my first few weeks kiting

Also if you are a new kiter, feel free to ask any kiter on the beach for info on that spot, someone probably helped them when they started out too.

Thank god I chose windsurfing over kiting, none of the gnarly localism/beginner/advanced carry on.

Thanks for all the entertainment though!

WA66 your selfish I can go out and do what ever I like anywhere attitude is what defines the problem. You and your ilk are tools ****ing it up for everyone else.

People with more skill and time on the water deserve the good conditions. Beginners should go to a quieter part of the beach and put the time and effort in to become proficient for the safety of all.

But the me me me generation cannot spare the time to develop skills it really is a bit sad

WOK we need to get away more again. See you over Chrissy

hilly said...

WA66 your selfish I can go out and do what ever I like anywhere attitude is what defines the problem.

Well said Hilly.

Good to see some common sense on here i.e. col303, D3, rickwindt subsonic

Exactly what i said many posts ago, education and talking to people is what it needs.
Band together, instead of fragmenting yourselves.

As for Hilly and his buddy Hunter S you don't know me and resort to juvenile generalisations.
By your reasoning all kiters should get out of the pond too, i have been sailing there for over 20 years and using the area for recreation for over 30 years, as many of my windsurfing peers have.
So when the kiters have my level of experience and intimate local knowledge of the area you can enter and use it.
That's fair isn't it?

Seems to me all these self confessed 'Advanced' kiters want the area for themselves cause it's so unique and try to justify that by harping on about the safety aspect.
Of course i accept safety is important, just as much as respecting any other user of the area.
if you get there on a good arvo and there are a lot of people out and many beginners, then i bet you don't go elsewhere, you lob straight in amongst them all and start blaming them for their levels of incompetence and getting in your way.

It's as much their area to use as it is mine windsurfing or a snorkellers, or a swimmer, or a fisherman...

Sooner you realise that the better.
That is my fundamental point you are missing, it's there for all to use irrespective of skill level or chosen pastime.

D3 said...



Why don't we try assist and inform new kiters as to where safe locations are, I know I would've had trouble identifying all the dangers at each location without other peoples advice in my first few weeks kiting

Isn't this post about that?

I'm not even from WA but i'll throw my 2c in on this one...

So is it responsible for a beginner to look at the most crowded spot and say "I'm kiting there!". WTF! The problem is that they do. They then kite in the crowd, barely in control. They don't lower/raise their kites while passing and cause accidents.

I'll say it! The experienced riders deserve the better spot. If they didn't most flat water spots would be 'learners only'. You learn, you progress, you get the respect you deserve. You need to earn it.

If deep water and waves freaks you out then you do not have the skills to be kiteboarder. You NEED to be able to swim. Sometimes a long way. Sometimes in heavy surf.

I am not into unhooked tricks.... i am not that young. BUT by god (and his children) I do love a little slice of flat water... top speed, edge, pop and fly!!! no chop you throw you off. Sweet as bro!

mike

The short tackers and learners are prob scared of Wa sharks why else would u risk being dragged through the windsurfers zone road then over a truck then through the power lines. The other side of the bar was great for learning loved it. Thanks there is no wind else there would just be even more maim.good idea if rock bans kiting it's the only good thing here