Lano to Wedge downwinder, interested?

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AndyHansen
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8 Dec 2012 11:30am
kiterdan said...
If anyone is keen for a lift, pm me. I'm in palmyra. Got a ute so so have room for 4 plus gear

Cheets
Dan


Running a couple minutes late, meet at lano or wedge?
Underoath
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8 Dec 2012 1:41pm
We will meet at Lano. Sort out cars and what not.

Running a little late is ok.
poor relative
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8 Dec 2012 12:57pm
gruezi said...

Relo., I could be up for a DW on Tues.




I've a few jobs to do but think i should be done by Tues all well.
Keep eye on forecast
Will be in touch gruzitski
Underoath
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8 Dec 2012 3:11pm
All the gear is at the grassed park at Lanno. Meet there if running late.
AquaPlow
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8 Dec 2012 8:02pm
hanging out - (no wind this side)
Did U make it?
That wild place just beside civilisation sounds great 4 a d/winder.
(Having a beer for U already)

Pics too please

Have to arrange something locally - got Joneses syndrome real bad

cheers
AP
Underoath
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8 Dec 2012 9:32pm
Does anyone have a emergency contact for Mark? Aka Weta.

Keep him in your prayers.
Juddy
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8 Dec 2012 7:43pm
say it ain't so please.....it wouldn't be the first time....
Underoath
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8 Dec 2012 9:46pm
He lost a contact lense.....

No one told us to put a spare contact lense in the safety /emergency kit.

Great safe trip. All home "at the pub" safe, well and satisfied.
Dave Whettingsteel
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8 Dec 2012 8:44pm
Haha, hope you had a fun trip.

Unreal at horrocks today, 7m winds , heaps of swell and 3 other kiters to share it with.
Fantastic.
Dave
suface2air
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9 Dec 2012 9:20am
glad you all made it .The way this tread was talking about it seemed like you guys were just going to be fishey food . Some people just need to get out and ride and live life . stoked for you but pissed at the same time they dont do it over this side of the country . I need a hoilday on the other side .
TurtleHunter
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9 Dec 2012 10:29am
Underoath said...
Does anyone have a emergency contact for Mark? Aka Weta.

Keep him in your prayers.

check the caravan park he loves hanging around them
SugarQube
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9 Dec 2012 1:51pm
Looks like that $80 was a good investment
Underoath
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9 Dec 2012 4:09pm
SugarQube said...
Looks like that $80 was a good investment


Mate, she was great it in beach breaks. Fastest board I have ever ridden.

I am spending today giving her a good sand back and paint for next weekend.

ApatheticEnd
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9 Dec 2012 2:53pm
Dude in the 1st pic needs to put his ballbag away.
picker
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9 Dec 2012 9:19pm
That's just a baby bird.

When is the next trip boys?
newo
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10 Dec 2012 11:04am
hahaha sneaky nut!
AndyHansen
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megsy
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11 Dec 2012 7:41pm
Yeah Im keen as for a DW from Lano - Wedge, forecast for Sunday is a bit average at the mo, keep us updated for sure, prob make that 2 chicks maybe. Thanks
Chris6791
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27 Dec 2012 1:31am
All fun and games. Until someone has a gear failure...

I heard a dude crashed his kite not even half want to Wedge today and ripped it, had to walk 3 hours back to Lancelin carrying everything and none of his mates stayed with him. Despite the sea breeze it was stinking hot all day.

Stoked he made it back ok but I have to ask how much collective thought and planning went into it?
AndyHansen
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27 Dec 2012 8:23am
Chris6791 said...
All fun and games. Until someone has a gear failure...

I heard a dude crashed his kite not even half want to Wedge today and ripped it, had to walk 3 hours back to Lancelin carrying everything and none of his mates stayed with him. Despite the sea breeze it was stinking hot all day.

Stoked he made it back ok but I have to ask how much collective thought and planning went into it?


Chris this thread was for a specific group, there are real risks but each person within this group or others fully understands those risks and accepts them. As did the kiter who lost his kite, the fact his group left him, best check in on their groups thread.
If a kiter isnt 100% confident in their own abilities, their gear, that their group will be there to support them, or that there isnt a real chance of S#|t going pear shaped - they shouldnt do it.

I had a kite invert on our last trip, struggled to relaunch and finally made it to the beach to sort lines out... Best thing was looking back and seeing 8 other kites there with you the whole time, checking to see you are ok, assisting or waiting for you. If something were to go wrong and a walk was the only option its would be at worst 3hrs walk on some amazing beaches.

Glad you mentioned "collective thought", there are groups that are prepared, and its infair to assume or nanny those groups that are.



Chris6791
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27 Dec 2012 9:06am
Andy this thread started regarding organising a DW and quickly evolved into discussing the safety and planning side of it. I see nothing wrong with livening up this one and pointing out that stuff will and has gone wrong and there aren't many options available when it does. I figure its a better option than clogging up the forum with a new thread. I looked for a more relevant thread for this particular trip but couldn't see one, and still can't find it.
Jonopark
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27 Dec 2012 12:40pm
I stubbed my toe at pinerroo yesterday and had to walk all the way back to my car. Next time I will bring thongs because the roads so hot.

Also someone left a camel back (water bought on the DW in case someone had to walk 3 hours back due to gear failure (oh the humanity!)) in my car on the fourth (last) lancelin to Wedge in the last 2 months.
newo
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27 Dec 2012 4:38pm
I want to play... let me know when the next one is.
AndyHansen
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27 Dec 2012 4:50pm
Jonopark said...
I stubbed my toe at pinerroo yesterday and had to walk all the way back to my car. Next time I will bring thongs because the roads so hot.

Also someone left a camel back (water bought on the DW in case someone had to walk 3 hours back due to gear failure (oh the humanity!)) in my car on the fourth (last) lancelin to Wedge in the last 2 months.


Hope you looked both ways before you crossed the hot road!
That camel pack would belong to me, not water mate its powerade... its got electrolytes for those long walks!
Mark _australia
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27 Dec 2012 10:43pm
I agree with Chris. A half decent injury where you could not walk out and it is 10-15km north of Lano and a 4WD can't get in... what's the plan?
Everyone dismissed that one. In fact most people laughed it off as "nobody would ever have a problem"

An 8km walk in sand with not quite enough water would not be much fun and could be fatal.

Lano to Wedge is NOT Leighton to City Beach. All we said is "organised downwinders" in the sticks need to be organised. IE whats the plan for extracting somebody or even knowing they need to be.

busterwa
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27 Dec 2012 11:11pm
There highly skilled and aware of the risks i think they quite competent Know how to read the weather and have reliable gear . They also have 4wd and saftey in numbers to run recovery if required.

Think the people who are on dirt bikes and dune buggies up in the dunes are at a far greater risk
Weta
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28 Dec 2012 7:26am
I did the run with this group a couple of weeks back.
We had 3 x 4wds parked at the point and no not Honda CRV's on that day i saw numerous vehicles doing the beach run from narrowneck all the way to wedge, so the beach run is accessible for that stretch, Lano to Diedy Bay may not be.

I was carrying 2 litres of water and a couple of the other guys had camel packs plus we had a pump and anytime someone stopped the whole group stopped until that person got going again.

I agree that you need to be prepared & know what to do if it all goes to SCHIZER but really some of you nanny's need to get out more.
Chris6791
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28 Dec 2012 1:40pm
busterwa said...
There highly skilled and aware of the risks i think they quite competent Know how to read the weather and have reliable gear . They also have 4wd and saftey in numbers to run recovery if required.

Think the people who are on dirt bikes and dune buggies up in the dunes are at a far greater risk


This group were organised, to a point. The dude had his camelbak but I believe ran out of water on the way back, he didn't have a phone, EPIRB or flares with him, he didn't have his kite buddies phone numbers either. Somewhere around lefties he left the beach and started following tracks inland a little.

I do see a problem with alone, no water, carrying all his gear, on possibly unfamiliar tracks away from the beach, in the heat of the late afternoon, with no phone and no ability to raise help if he gets lost, injured or severely dehydrated.
AndyHansen
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28 Dec 2012 2:51pm
Chris6791 said...
busterwa said...
There highly skilled and aware of the risks i think they quite competent Know how to read the weather and have reliable gear . They also have 4wd and saftey in numbers to run recovery if required.

Think the people who are on dirt bikes and dune buggies up in the dunes are at a far greater risk


This group were organised, to a point. The dude had his camelbak but I believe ran out of water on the way back, he didn't have a phone, EPIRB or flares with him, he didn't have his kite buddies phone numbers either. Somewhere around lefties he left the beach and started following tracks inland a little.

I do see a problem with alone, no water, carrying all his gear, on possibly unfamiliar tracks away from the beach, in the heat of the late afternoon, with no phone and no ability to raise help if he gets lost, injured or severely dehydrated.


Organsised to a point is very questionable,


Similar common scenario, Had this bloke broken down on a section of road with Telco no coverage.... and decided to walk 10km to the nearest farm house, he's be classed as an idiot for not taking a phone with in case he came across some telco signal, and again be classed as a bloody idiot for venturing off the road down a track. Any situation where a group splits up to leave one person to fend for them selves is lunacy, EVEN if they go in hero mode and insist to left behind.

How many offroad biker carry EPRIBS or flares?
Injuries happen all the time, just ask the royal flying doctors or any medical rescue helicopter.... one/several person stays with injured the OTHERS go to get help. this is not rocket science.

People do multiday cayon walks all the time, almsot always out of teclo signal & yes many take EPIRBS, but most don't. Basic equipment & water and a good group is by far the best 101 risk management strategy.

Flares.... people assume that you pull out a flare and a fleet of rescue vehicles come charging over the horizon to your aid....
Here is pic of a boat pulling a flare in rivervale, I'm 400m away from an elevated position...


Its simple;
- go with a group you trust and that will be their to support you when things go wrong.
- Take a phone, at very least you get an awesome GPS track and some pics. kitetracker.com/gps/tracking?r=andyhansen_8
- Its 3hours, take a 3lt camel pack, and again if people have to stay behind, the kiters going for help would surely leave theirs for the, injured, injuried minders or group walking out.

Flares, PDFs, EPRIBS, satellite phones, first aid kits, complete toolboxes, maps, compasses, thongs, meal packs, ... yes, all risk avoidance measures, but the same level of risk that would suggest you wear a helmet and safety harness in a soapy shower. There is a level of practical and impractical risk management for every sceanrio, and by god im sure the keyboard jockies if challenged would be more than happy to explain with an example of what impractical risk management would be for even a task such as driving your car to the shop to buy milk.

I will say this, CPR should be a key consideration, very many bad situations could require CPR. drowing, A severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to sea & land based cause.

fact is you could scratch your arm with your own nail and die within a week due to a flesh eating bacteria that lives on every single persons skin, very rare case, one in WA recently actually.

End end of the day, have fun, be safe and by using some common sense!



Mark _australia
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28 Dec 2012 10:44pm
Gotta love the condescending tone by the real true hardcore crew here. (They must be, cos they sound like they must be)

All Chris and I said was have a think, have a method of contact and have a way of getting a kiter off the beach if they come to grief. It can be hard to get in there at times.
IE don't organise a DW Lano to Wedge if you all own Commodores and nobody has driven that beach before. That's all we said.

All of a sudden it is nanny comments, not hardcore, not true aussie adventurers, keyboard jockeys. Yeah no worries. You are all true heroes.
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