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KiteAgain

NSW

99 posts

KiteAgain

NSW, 99 posts

9 May 2005 2:44pm

quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard

Hey dudes,

By just looking at the pictures and video of the HF it doesn't look that revolutionary, just shiny, apart from that it looks like any other kite I have seen so far. If it does have performance like the '03 Lift Pro, then it really will be light years better than the current Bests, but as for changing the industry, I think I will reserve my judgement until I see and maybe get to fly one for myself.

If it is the next leap in performance and technology, then bring it on in spade fulls and the industry will embrace the new technology and we will all benefit anyways.

Heres to hoping for a windy day, the forums getting narcy!

Good Winds

Hey Darren,

From the Vid and pics I have sceen one thing I noticed is the immensly small diameter of the leading edge, the kite looked stable in the air - i.e not 'jellyfishing' so from this one can presume that the claims of the cuben fibres stength(in that realm) are likely to be true. How small the kite packs up is another indication of how litle material and how thin the material is (a kite of equal size will have less material due to smaller struts and LE) all this adds up to a big weight saving more than likely.

Still doesnt mean the kite won't fly like a pig, but on the surface these changes in the kites properties should logicaly allow more flexibility in design of the kite and greater performance.

I too hope this is another large step forward for kitesurfing.
Time will only prove it one way or another. I am sceptical just because of others mistakes in the past in similar circumstances like, wipika's mylar delams, cabrinahs ultra light bladder issues (light just dont get em wet or they disolve!) even north sails '3DL' windsurf sails.

At the end of the day, Kudos has to be given to best and to Alex for having the b*lls to have a go, Alex would almost have the Best business riding on this, it'd be a hard road back if this hype doesn't deliver something good!

The other brands pimps on here with nothing at all good to say about this should have a look at themselves, your comming across like idiots guys...

Pete F

3 posts

Pete F

WA, 3 posts

9 May 2005 1:11pm

quote:
Originally posted by zac r

The new Liquid Force M 80 looks like it will be the balls keep an eye out for it!!!

oh we will...in the "make an offer" bin.
why make a post like that man? its not even SLIGHTLY on topic you douche.

waveslave - Spectra is the strongest synthetic fibre in existance (used in bullet proof vests etc. no kevlar isnt used in em anymore - too heavy) and that is what cuben fibre is made out of.Dacron is much heavier, thicker and has a lot more stretch. Would link you to cubens site so you couls read up on it but cant seem to find it... i know its posted on kiteforum somewhere...

Pete

KiteAgain

NSW

99 posts

KiteAgain

NSW, 99 posts

9 May 2005 3:17pm

quote:
Originally posted by Pete F

quote:
Originally posted by zac r

The new Liquid Force M 80 looks like it will be the balls keep an eye out for it!!!

oh we will...in the "make an offer" bin.
why make a post like that man? its not even SLIGHTLY on topic you douche.

waveslave - Spectra is the strongest synthetic fibre in existance (used in bullet proof vests etc. no kevlar isnt used in em anymore - too heavy) and that is what cuben fibre is made out of.Dacron is much heavier, thicker and has a lot more stretch. Would link you to cubens site so you couls read up on it but cant seem to find it... i know its posted on kiteforum somewhere...

Pete

The website was www.cubenfibre.com but it seems to be down at the moment. Aparently the Cloth the Hellfish is made out of isn't their standard cloth anyway so its not of that much use...

HungLong

859 posts

HungLong

WA, 859 posts

9 May 2005 1:31pm

you will not find any info about the new fabric on their website as we're not about to give away the secrets to it are we... The link to their website is purly to show what has been achieved in many other sailing applications... We tried kite's out of the materials that can be found on there, but they didnt work out like dacron/ripstop materials, hence we created a new one to our spec's that is up to 70% liter & 10 time's it's strength. When you examine the fibres up close the weave looks nothing like dacron/ripstop...

Dachopper you are a moron... What do you think the whole arguement and contravercy is about... No one has use'd this fabric before in a sail application but best !

There is absolutley no part of the HellFish that is made from dacron/ripstop...

regards browneee

paulio

QLD

890 posts

paulio

QLD, 890 posts

9 May 2005 4:02pm

Laurie you dont seem too quick to lock this thread even tho its getting a little abusive,i know you dont have double standards or let things slip simply for the fact of an advertising dollar!!Your "the bunny" make your choice

KiteAgain

NSW

99 posts

KiteAgain

NSW, 99 posts

9 May 2005 4:09pm

quote:
Originally posted by paulio

Laurie you dont seem too quick to lock this thread even tho its getting a little abusive,i know you dont have double standards or let things slip simply for the fact of an advertising dollar!!Your "the bunny" make your choice

Dude, I am sure laurie doesnt need pointers in when a thread should be locked... or has he been asking for your opinion... Just because you have had things removed, get over it

paulio

QLD

890 posts

paulio

QLD, 890 posts

9 May 2005 5:07pm

Why dont you keep your opinions too yourself KiteAgain. You once stated that on a fixed loop to depower "if you happen to get over done, just unhook, sheet out a little and truck upwind...". What Th ???. Go and practice and leave the advice alone . Just my 2cents.

KiteAgain

NSW

99 posts

KiteAgain

NSW, 99 posts

9 May 2005 5:14pm

quote:
Originally posted by paulio

Why dont you keep your opinions too yourself KiteAgain. You once stated that on a fixed loop to depower "if you happen to get over done, just unhook, sheet out a little and truck upwind...". What Th ???. Go and practice and leave the advice alone . Just my 2cents.

Happy to keep my opinions to myself when others do the same...
My advise about riding in a fixed loop was in light wind, and being hooked into a fixed as well as being in a chicken setup (not ONLY being in a fixed loop, sorry if that wasnt clear enough for you no one else queried it...), if you can't see how this works you should consider your own knowledge on the subject of really flying a modern LEI kite.

dachopper

1802 posts

dachopper

WA, 1802 posts

9 May 2005 3:18pm

but....... cuben fibre is just a fancy way of saying laminated sail cloth...so the fibre itself is a few layers of different cloths allready available on different axis to each other... yeah maybe Best invested millions of dollars in R&D testing to get their blend perfect... unlikely... to give the increased strength, and combine different properties from different materials to get the best sail fabric properties from the different fabrics... into the one fibre at any cost to the kiter...but y bother when ripstop/dacron works perfectly.. I think i would like to see how the lamination holds up on a kite that has been flapped around for a year out in the sun, and crashed...

and If I'm a Moron for not believing that the "best is the best kite anyone on earth has ever flown" , and for not believing that "the best kite is good to get kiting in 5-7 kts" and for not believing that they all have 20 kt wind ranges.... then i guess there would be plenty more morons like me out there who are all riding other kites.

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

9 May 2005 3:49pm

The 'bottom-line' is that kite consumers will become sailing guinnea-pigs for a new cloth that hasn't been proven-up in any sailing applications except 'BEST' R&D.

zac r

34 posts

zac r

WA, 34 posts

9 May 2005 5:38pm

thats not very nice just thought id let you guys know about it. whats a Douche? is that like when you fart and pull the blankit over your head?

quote:
Originally posted by Pete F

quote:
Originally posted by zac r

The new Liquid Force M 80 looks like it will be the balls keep an eye out for it!!!

oh we will...in the "make an offer" bin.
why make a post like that man? its not even SLIGHTLY on topic you douche.

waveslave - Spectra is the strongest synthetic fibre in existance (used in bullet proof vests etc. no kevlar isnt used in em anymore - too heavy) and that is what cuben fibre is made out of.Dacron is much heavier, thicker and has a lot more stretch. Would link you to cubens site so you couls read up on it but cant seem to find it... i know its posted on kiteforum somewhere...

Pete

HungLong

859 posts

HungLong

WA, 859 posts

9 May 2005 6:40pm

quote:
Originally posted by dachopper, a flamer from way back...

but....... cuben fibre is just a fancy way of saying laminated sail cloth...so the fibre itself is a few layers of different cloths allready available on different axis to each other... yeah maybe Best invested millions of dollars in R&D testing to get their blend perfect... unlikely... to give the increased strength, and combine different properties from different materials to get the best sail fabric properties from the different fabrics... into the one fibre at any cost to the kiter...but y bother when ripstop/dacron works perfectly..

Are you serious... Mate do you hear what your saying... "Y bother"... That's like saying to NASA arh well "y bother" going to the moon... That's like saying to David Dick's, "Y bother" sailing around the world...

It's called progress or puching the limits... Thats how improvements & technology work...

quote:
cuben fibre is just a fancy way of saying laminated sail cloth...

That's not Dacron/ripstop...

quote:
Originally posted by dachopper

If I'm a Moron for not believing that the "best is the best kite anyone on earth has ever flown" , and for not believing that "the best kite is good to get kiting in 5-7 kts" and for not believing that they all have 20 kt wind ranges.... then i guess there would be plenty more morons like me out there who are all riding other kites.

The reason a couple of us called you a moron is not for the excuse you have given above... It's for this statement you made earlier...

quote:
the hellfish is dacron/ripstop

regards browneee

kiterdan

680 posts

kiterdan

WA, 680 posts

9 May 2005 6:41pm

It seems that this post has stirred it up...good marketing strategy I would think....just what Best would want??

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

10 May 2005 7:26am

quote:
Originally posted by CarlBevo

Yawn... this is so boring, who gives a S#@%t??

If they come up with something revolutionary good on them,(its called progression) history has shown that all the Kite companies are sheep and quickly get on the band-wagon when something good has turned up e.g 4 lines, one- pump, fith-line, spinning leashes, twintips the list gos on...

Unless your a shareholder in an oposing company or a hi level pro feeling a little scared about someone having an equipment advantage you all got nothing to worry about have you?

go ride and stop whining

G'day Carl
When I saw you ride at the nats, I thought to myself there is a true kiter, why?
Simply because you looked like you were having fun, something a lot of other people in kiting seem to miss, eh?

Best is pushing new limits, not only in the use of new materials, but also in the pricing and marketing of the kites we all need to have fun.
Lower prices have allowed families and young guys to afford to get into this sport.
Cuben fibre kites will unlock the door to a new era in kiting, I hav e no doubt the material and the kite will work very well, and as sheep do, the other companies will follow, and I beleive only good things for kiters can flow from this natural progression.

It would be refreshing to see all the sponsored sales reps, I mean team riders, could just ignore this thread, and let the rest of us read about what kiters think of this new technology in the Best Hellfish kite.

We got Fireaway2 and the other carls Nats DCD yesterday, awesome DVD's, great to relive the nats, definately want to come back to WA.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

shunter

441 posts

shunter

WA, 441 posts

10 May 2005 6:34am

Man I must have been kiting for too long

it only seems like yesterday when North was getting heaps of **** for using Dacron and segmented leading edges.

Funny i wonder how much **** Henary Ford got from the horse and cart fart-entity. That goodam car wont last a year in the sun, look at the smoke coming out of that thing its gunna catch the farm on fire......

winds in this morning...

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

10 May 2005 6:51am

Hey Mr Diplomatic,
Keep calling the public morons, that'll win the customers over...not.

jay

55 posts

jay

WA, 55 posts

10 May 2005 8:10am

Hey Zac R,

FYI, A douche is a female genital hygene device also known as a douche bag.

Used for flushing out any nasties, if you know what i mean.

Classic word i reckon.

(Got nothing to do with farting under blankets????????????)

HungLong

859 posts

HungLong

WA, 859 posts

10 May 2005 9:27am

thats a dutchy...

Surgeon

NSW

134 posts

Surgeon

NSW, 134 posts

11 May 2005 8:01am

Nice quality

kiteforum.com/index.php?page=http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2315618&navi=1&button=forum

jess muckin round

Fitzy

QLD

617 posts

Fitzy

QLD, 617 posts

11 May 2005 7:04pm

Have read the hype, the bashers, the converted and the fence sitters.

What is needed now is for some punters to buy one of these suckers and let us know how they fly.

I took a flying leap and put my hand up for one of the new WindWing Raptures after reading the hype back in January. Tried it and reported honestly on it. It was as good as claimed IMO.

So I guess I will have to be a bunny again and try the Hellfish.

Its only money and its made round to go round.

Lets see

Fitzy - Gold Coast - OZ

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