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addiction
addiction
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
6 Dec 2005 10:38am
Mr Plow
I thought the same thing, but skims work in light wind because they have no tail rocker and no fins which means no drag at all, if you stop and think about skims are designed to plane with no power other than a running start.
We are still finalizing our boards but the price we are aiming for is $299.00.

Cheers
Pete
Venomguy
Venomguy
154 posts
154 posts
6 Dec 2005 11:33am
here is the link for the some Skim pics

http://www.jacksonsurfboards.com.au/accessories/accessories.html


go to the bottom of the page and there are some pics of good skims for kiting and I use the Surftech Skim, you dont need straps on skims , actually a skim would be dangerous using strap!!!!! so do NOT add straps!!!

I have been riding the soft top surftech for about 2 months now and its perfect for kiting and only &289!!!

Best to go for boards that dont need wax and you actually want a skim with a swallow tail as it helps in holding your edge, I can hold nearly as much power now on my skim as my dedicated kite boards!!, jsut takes practice.

Skims give you way more low end and they are now my favourite board for the surf and waves in light winds, you can get going in 7 to 8 knots using a Bow 16 or simaliar size kite on the beach and shore break.

have fun

Drew
mworrad213
mworrad213
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
6 Dec 2005 12:03pm
so are we talking about skim boarding with a kite or without? skim boarding with out a kite seems like the most pointless sport to me
...u run for 15 m to skim for like 5m and all u can do is shuvits 3 0's and do pissy turns on small shore waves, it seems like a massive fad to me, i can see myself kiting when im 50 but not running into a shore break at full pelt to jump on a piece of wood. what is everyone else's opinion?

fatty
Venomguy
Venomguy
154 posts
154 posts
6 Dec 2005 1:38pm
we are talking about skim boarding using kites.....

and
this becomes even easier when you skimboard using the new Bow style kites
Natter
Natter
88 posts
88 posts
6 Dec 2005 9:08pm
On ebay for $100 brand is red back.Are they crap?
I've seen a few fibre glass that are realy bad!!!
My biggest problem is what to get for what price.
I have to see it before i buy so addiction tell me where i can try one of yours?
And venomguy can you tell me where i can try one or at least have a look?
I live in melbourne close to mordialic and will not go to geelong (kite power) unless i get a discount!!!!!.
addiction
addiction
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
6 Dec 2005 11:14pm
Natter
Our boards go east with kitepower, but none in Melbourne like I said we are still finalizing boards.
I can take a few snaps of proto's and post them, right now that's the best I can do.

Cheers
Pete
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
6 Dec 2005 11:27pm
You know what I like most about the skim board thingy, and that is there are no moving parts.
sirstomp
sirstomp
VIC
98 posts
VIC, 98 posts
7 Dec 2005 2:07pm
i've been skimming shorebreak, wedges and siders for bout 2.5 years, and it is the sickest sport... hey fatty go to a dedicated shorebreak beach and imagine getting pitched from the lip onto the dry sand from 4-6 feet up, or running onto a sidwash, trimming out from the beach, connecting with the wave and riding along (no paddling)!!! you guys are talking about flatland skimming and skimboards aka skiffleboarding!

a real skimboard has a foam core, either glass or carbon (or combination), and eighter poly or epoxy resin. go for brands that have been in the buisiness for years. these brands make all their boards in the USA, none of this Chinese made crap. the best skim brands would be Exile, Victoria, Zap, Slotstick. Look out for these...
These brands have been making skims for years, and they know how to make em right. Kiting with a decent foam skimmer is awesome, thats why i've never needed a kite bigger than 13. As long as its in the air i can keep my ground, throw some shuvits, pop off lil waves. Butter flat water rules with the skim, i love it down at Rye or Rosebud in Vic.

Check out http://www.skimcity.com or www.skimshop.com for the sorts of boards were talking bout and prices etc. Remember though if your buying a board from the US and getting it shipped over you'll have to pay import duty tax, transportation, GST etc. If you know someone in the USA get them to send it to you, you'll save heaps of bones by avoiding all those charges. i got my sister to bring back a carbon Exile for my mate, and a carbon ZAP for me, and they only cost the price of the boards (around $450-$500 AUD each). two guys we skim with got two Exiles sent over via the online store and they worked out to be aroung $1000 bucks each (farken rip!!)

WOOD boards = flexy crappy horrid on water any deeper than 3cm
Foam boards = the real deal, nothing compares (Heaps lighter too)

Check a sick new vid coming out at www.exileskimboards.com just follow the links.

(That was a lil bit long, HAHA, ) Peace
Natter
Natter
88 posts
88 posts
7 Dec 2005 7:14pm
Hi Sirstomp
Are you kiteing at knotuk tomorrow?
Can i take your skim for a spin?
Also which one do you have, i think i will get similar.
Venomguy
Venomguy
154 posts
154 posts
7 Dec 2005 7:56pm
now just add your kite to the details below

http://www.skimcity.com/page.php?pageId=5


Usually, when I suggest skimboarding to a non-skimming surfer-type as something to do while waiting out a flat spell, I get one of three responses: "Yeah, right." (said with the same enthusiasm you'd expect if you suggested the guy gargle with cat whiz); "Aww, no thanks. But hey! I used to skim when I was a kid."; or, "No way. I'd bust my butt." In other words, it seems most surfer-types think skimming is either really boring, really dangerous, or really lame.

Well, the problem here is simple: They've never actually seen anyone really skim hard. By that I mean running full blast at the ocean, running onto the board, and riding out into the ocean to catch the approaching wave just before it breaks and ride it back into the shore. It's kinda like trying to skateboard on a quarterpipe that's coming right at you...A quarterpipe that, if you don't get there in time, is gonna explode right in your face. Trust me, that's neither boring nor lame (done correctly, it's not even dangerous).

Now, of course, you're probably not ready for such a challenge (or you wouldn't be reading this, would ya?). Instead, what you're gonna be doing is sliding your board parallel to the ocean, running onto it, and sliding. Yeah, I know... But you gotta start somewhere. And trust me when I tell you that, if you follow the instructions in this booklet you'll be killing it (and not yourself) in no time. Think I'm kidding? Read on!



Before You Buy
Obviously your skimboard is your most important (and other than wax or maybe some decking and a board bag - your only) investment So it's important that you buy the one that's right for you. First, make sure that the skimboard you buy is the right size. Despite what you might want to believe (and what some may claim), if you weigh in at 150lbs (or even less - much less), that little wood board just ain't gonna float (and you are floating) ya. As a matter of fact, it'll probably break after a few rides, and no surf shop is likely to give you your money back.

Even if it doesn't break, a skimboard that's too small for you won't give you the ride you want. Instead, you'll simply sink.

On the other hand, a board that's too big will be hard to handle, and even harder to turn. Bottom line, buy the right size board. (See our board page for specifics.)

Once the proper size board is decided upon, buy the one that costs just a little more than you can afford. It'll pay in the long run.



So which board should you buy?



Next, is board quality. As with most things you get what you pay for: Buy cheap, you get cheap. Properly cared for, a top-quality skimboard will last several seasons of day-in, day-out usage. So spend the money, it'll make learning that much easier, and skimming that much more fun.

Top-quality boards today are made out of foam, fiberglass, carbon cloth, even kevlar. Prices for a beginner's board (if you're a little guy) starts at about $50, and go up to about $120. High-end boards generally start at about $200, can be as high as $400, and are worth every single penny. Generally, there are three different high-quality brands available. Most people start out on a Zap. Their base models are inexpensive and incredibly durable, yet still allow you to learn most of the tricks. And their recently issued pro models have been getting rave reviews from amateurs and pros alike. Slotstik is a high-end foam core board that's generally out of the price range for most beginners. Slots are generally known for their maneuverability, and have become all the rage on both coasts. Thanks to their design, they do though require a certain amount of skill to ride if the waves are breaking far off the beach. Finally, there's Victoria. The oldest skimboard manufacturer around, Vic makes many different types of high-performance boards, excellent mid-level boards, and even good wooden boards.

Now a note about those wooden boards: Surf shops sell wooden boards like mad. Should you buy one? Depends on why you want to buy one. If you're a visitor to the beach and don't plan on coming back much, are just a little guy (or gal), don't want to spend what a foam board costs (it's just a little more, but we all have our budgets), or know for sure you'll be content just riding back and forth parallel to the waves, then buy one. If, on the other hand, you think you'll want to progress to your limits, then you can buy a far better board by spending just a little bit more money.

If you just gotta buy a wooden board, look to Victoria; those paper-thin wooden boards those other guys make are generally just a waste of wood.

Finally, whatever you buy, put wax on it! You need wax on all boards that don't have a textured top. So many surf shops will sell you a board, then neglect to sell you the $1 bar of wax you need to keep you from sliding off it. Go figger.


3 facts about skimming
1 You are going to go much faster than you think you will. But speed here is a good thing. Like a bike, it's easier to stay upright if you're moving, than it is if you're stationary.
2
You are going to fall. A lot. Skimming is one of the coolest things you'll ever try. It's like surfing, skateboarding, and snowboarding all rolled into one. But like all fun things, it has its drawbacks, and falling down and skinning your knees, your butt cheeks, your forearms, your forehead, or whatever on the wet sand is one of them. Fortunately, wet sand is a lot more forgiving than dry concrete, or asphalt, or ice. And again, once you learn, you'll only fall a couple of times a session, and then mostly in water. Bottom line, though, is if you're not willing to fall, take the board back to where you bought it and ask for your money back, because you'll never learn to skim.

But, you say, you're willing to fall? Good, now all you have to do is learn to enjoy it. How, you say? Relax. Your body already knows how to fall. Relax and let it happen. If you can, fall on your butt. If you're falling face forward, try to tuck your shoulder and roll. Just whatever you do, don't stick out your hands to break your fall. Skimming in a cast sucks!
3 Be extremely careful not to hit anyone with your board - including yourself - because it hurts. A lot. And no, they will not get out of your way.




How to Skim Follow these instructions to the letter and you'll be skimming in no time.

First and foremost: Find an area away from people. Most folks don't understand skimming and they will not move out of your way. It's your responsibility to find an area where you will not hit anyone. Be respectful (even if you're not being respected).

1) Find a flat area where the waves wash in, then recede, leaving a thin film of water. Standing at the top of this area, walk about a quarter of the way towards the water and stop. This is where you'll learn.

2) Face the water, then turn so that you're facing parallel to the shoreline. As a general rule, right-footed people should turn to their right, left-footed people should turn to their left. If that doesn't feel comfortable after a couple of tries, switch around so that you're facing the other direction.

3) Hold the skimboard parallel to the beach, with your throwing hand on the back of the board, and your other hand on the side, supporting the board.
4) Wait until the water has washed in and receded, leaving just a very thin film (about ? inch is good enough).

5) Standing still, bend over, lower the board until it's parallel to and about 6' or less above the ground, and scoot it across the film of water, aiming it so it goes parallel to the ocean. (Your throwing hand should provide all of the force, while your other hand acts solely as a guide to keep the board parallel to the beach - kinda like trying to shoot a pool cue cross the room.)

6) Quickly straighten up and run so that you catch up to the board.




7) Run onto the board from the back and stop. It doesn't matter if you run onto it front foot first or back foot first, as long as you get on the board one foot at a time.


Do not hop onto the board!




8) Bend your knees and slide, slide, slide.
Once you've mastered this. Try running a few steps before scooting the board out in front of you and running onto it. Next, try running full-blast, dropping the board, and running onto it. Then, try getting onto the board in one step. Do all that and you're ready to turn your attention to riding at the incoming waves.
richierich
richierich
NSW
226 posts
NSW, 226 posts
8 Dec 2005 9:04am
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Plow

Realistically how much earlier can you get going on a skimmie vs just a big arsed twintip or a surfboard?

I would have thought that the kite is going to have to fly first & I know my 18m is a dog in less than 10 knots & I can be going upwind on my 6' twintip in 11knots - so what benefit is a skimmie going to give me?

Is it that you fly it with a small kite instead?


YOu can still use a big kite if it is light but i have a switchblade 12 as my biggest and have a ball in less than 10 knots. The best thing about using a skimboard is you can ride in onshore conditions. You run along on your upwind tack, chuck it down and you are powered. you can get a lift from the rushing water as it receeds. Many times i have been out with a 12, tricked everyone into coming in with their big kites and normal boards. They didn't have a chance getting up and going or getting away from the beach so they would be in my way for a bit then they'd give up and go away and i would have my fun park back again.
I use a rather symmetrical Zap skimmer and haven't used one that is even close to its performance and i have tried many. I think it is about a meter long and about 45 wide but not sure. No pads just wax.
richierich
richierich
NSW
226 posts
NSW, 226 posts
8 Dec 2005 9:04am
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Plow

Realistically how much earlier can you get going on a skimmie vs just a big arsed twintip or a surfboard?

I would have thought that the kite is going to have to fly first & I know my 18m is a dog in less than 10 knots & I can be going upwind on my 6' twintip in 11knots - so what benefit is a skimmie going to give me?

Is it that you fly it with a small kite instead?


YOu can still use a big kite if it is light but i have a switchblade 12 as my biggest and have a ball in less than 10 knots. The best thing about using a skimboard is you can ride in onshore conditions. You run along on your upwind tack, chuck it down and you are powered. you can get a lift from the rushing water as it receeds. Many times i have been out with a 12, tricked everyone into coming in with their big kites and normal boards. They didn't have a chance getting up and going or getting away from the beach so they would be in my way for a bit then they'd give up and go away and i would have my fun park back again.
I use a rather symmetrical Zap skimmer and haven't used one that is even close to its performance and i have tried many. I think it is about a meter long and about 45 wide but not sure. No pads just wax.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
20 Jan 2006 5:24pm
A Bodyboard works better than a skimboard. Found a elcheapo supermarket board on the beach, worked fine, although the 3 year old kid it belonged to was not amused. Wax up a bodyboard, they work better than skimboards, much cheaper option.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
20 Jan 2006 5:25pm
A Bodyboard works better than a skimboard. Found a elcheapo supermarket board on the beach, worked fine, although the 3 year old kid it belonged to was not amused. Wax up a bodyboard, they work better than skimboards, much cheaper option.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
20 Jan 2006 5:26pm
A Bodyboard works better than a skimboard. Found a elcheapo supermarket board on the beach, worked fine, although the 3 year old kid it belonged to was not amused. Wax up a bodyboard, they work better than skimboards, much cheaper option.
NSW, 4382 posts
21 Jan 2006 9:27am
We will be carrying the Addiction skimmers when Pete stops playing around long enough to make some.

In the meantime we had to get some Zaps, you can check them out here.
http://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_16894_Zap_Pro_Skimboard_cat_274.html

Richie rides them and rates them highly, same with the Underground but they are too exxy, although Rich seesm to be always on one of the Zaps.
he used one so much he completely wore the bottom skin off it and it snapped when he landed on while trying to to one of his kite loop throw down start!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
Cav
Cav
QLD
56 posts
Cav Cav
QLD, 56 posts
21 Jan 2006 11:08am
zap skimboards are sic, if you look them up in google aus there is a couple of shops that sell them
www.zapskimboards.com

ive had mine for probaly 3 years, from when all i did was skimboard.
its not like the new ones thoe with carbon fibre. its foam with cloth. In light winds it goes much further upwind than a normal board would powered. A foam board gives you another 2 to 3 kite sizes more.
Cav
Cav
QLD
56 posts
Cav Cav
QLD, 56 posts
21 Jan 2006 11:12am
If youre gonna get one go for a foam board, a wood board is depressing,
slyfox
slyfox
VIC
324 posts
VIC, 324 posts
22 Jan 2006 5:14pm
any decent skimboards around for $300? just under $500 is a bit high for me since it will only get used one in 5 sessions or there abouts.

glad i read this thread i throught my only hope was a huge directional kiteboard or a surfboard, you learn something every day
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