The most reliable kite?

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edeffect
edeffect
QLD
14 posts
QLD, 14 posts
2 Mar 2009 11:31pm
Hey

What do you think is the most reliable kite on the market? I suppose I would be willing to have a small compromise in performance for better reliability.

bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
ACT, 1258 posts
3 Mar 2009 12:41am
that is a very ambiguious Q. durability?, performance?. and then It depends on what style of riding u r doing. There r many good kites out there.

quality C shapes r tried and tested for going on 10 years, but aren't appropriate for most users.
marco
marco
WA
332 posts
WA, 332 posts
3 Mar 2009 12:52am
naish helix!!! the best
TOAD
TOAD
NSW
305 posts
NSW, 305 posts
3 Mar 2009 7:51am
REV
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
3 Mar 2009 8:26am
Ozone. Zero pulleys.
okin
okin
QLD
83 posts
QLD, 83 posts
3 Mar 2009 8:16am
rev2
loudas
loudas
NSW
51 posts
NSW, 51 posts
3 Mar 2009 9:36am
for me switchblade 2. third season now, original bar no mods original bridal.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
3 Mar 2009 10:00am
The one with the least amount of lines, least amount of bridals and least amount of moving parts.

Which is the ................... (insert name here)
doc jans
doc jans
VIC
70 posts
VIC, 70 posts
3 Mar 2009 11:45am
i have been really impressed with the north rebel... no pulleys, very simple set up, it seems to be a compromise between a true SLE and a C kite, so it has the power of the C, but the ease of use and relaunch of a an SLE...

Jacques
Jacques
NSW
159 posts
NSW, 159 posts
3 Mar 2009 2:06pm
In term of durability, I would tend to say Peter Lynn kites are the best, they are so simple with so little to go wrong with. Just not sure about the aluminium bar located at each tip, it may be the only weak part.

Also most Flysurfer kites are very durable, like current Peter Lynn kites there is no risk of puncture, and the risk of bridle tangle is now very low since they have shorterned bridles lenghts by half on the last 2 years models. Very resistant to impacts thanks to "fuses" located on each bridle which would let go in case of too high pull on them (instead of tearing the canopy) and thanks to the so called "blow-out" valves which lets the pressure go out of the canopy under high stress/chocs, here is the link to the slow-motion video: http://www.flysurfer.com/Content/270/?set=yes
(I am a big fan of these kites...)

cheers
Jacques
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
3 Mar 2009 1:01pm
cRAZY Canuk said...

The one with the least amount of lines, least amount of bridals and least amount of moving parts.

Which is the ................... (insert name here)


Vapor ?
Cezar
Cezar
VIC
270 posts
VIC, 270 posts
3 Mar 2009 3:10pm
Jacques
Can you tell us which Flysurfer kites are not durable, also dont you think that when you compare PL to FS is like comparing Huyandai (PL) to Mercedes Benz (FS).
thanks.

KiteAction
KiteAction
QLD
337 posts
QLD, 337 posts
3 Mar 2009 3:36pm
North Evo
airush geoff
airush geoff
974 posts
974 posts
3 Mar 2009 2:49pm
my boxkite- had it for 15 years now....

an impossible thread to answer- everyone has their opinion and there is no right or wrong answer, has alot to do with maintenance, how often and where they are used etc.
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
575 posts
WA, 575 posts
3 Mar 2009 3:10pm
Cant go past the Airush Flow FT for simplicity...

1 pump = quick pumpup.
4 struts = less hoses, clamps and nozzles.
4 lines.
Direct connection, no pulleys.
Very simple bar (some kites are horrible eg Ozone)

And very forgiving way of flying. I can **** up so much, and you just pull the bar in fully and the kite floats back into position and keeps going. I've never had my flow invert and fall out of the sky.
bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
ACT, 1258 posts
3 Mar 2009 5:22pm
mattyjee said...

Cant go past the Airush Flow FT for simplicity...

1 pump = quick pumpup.
4 struts = less hoses, clamps and nozzles.
4 lines.
Direct connection, no pulleys.
Very simple bar (some kites are horrible eg Ozone)

And very forgiving way of flying. I can **** up so much, and you just pull the bar in fully and the kite floats back into position and keeps going. I've never had my flow invert and fall out of the sky.


Thats an interesting thing to say about a bar by ozone. Most consider close to the best quality in the industry.
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
3 Mar 2009 5:34pm
there isnt much difference as it all depends how you lookafter it. all bars and lines wear, pullys seize and bladers leak but they can all be fixed. How long were you thinking of keeping the kite? If i was you i would just buy one that suits your style of riding look after it replace the lines when needed (before they break) keep a good eye on the stiching etc. keep it out of trees and carparks and you should have a kite that is still ok 5 years down the track.

But warning.........dont demo new gear after you have decided on what to get because the kites get that much better every year its hard to imagine what they will be like 3-5years down the track. and its so hard to say no to a new kite each year.

good luck.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
3 Mar 2009 5:28pm
Hi Guys,

Speaking purely from a durability standpoint, the kites we used in our school this year have been absolutely a kite schools wet dream. The 2008 Ozone Light II's

They have been out every day since October and total damage has been to replace only 2 rubber transfer tubes for the one pump (cost nil, and time required 3 minutes), and we had one repair today with a line guard on the wingtip ripping off from the tip - created a 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch tear repaired for about 5 bucks.

As for the rest of the fleet of 14 Ozone school kites, we have had no issues or repairs needed. Never had that before in 8 years of teaching from other brands!

In all of the seperate demo Ozones, I have had one 5 inch canopy repair and one stick puncture in a canopy. The canopy material still looks in good nick on most of the kites too. This is unbelievable durability. Surprised even me!

Good winds,



KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
TAS, 778 posts
3 Mar 2009 8:18pm
waxman said...

there isnt much difference as it all depends how you lookafter it. all bars and lines wear, pullys seize and bladers leak but they can all be fixed.


Interesting. Reliability in my opinion is in having a kite that wont leave you stranded out to sea, in front of a bomb set or busting to bits in 40 knot gusts. Reliability is in the design, and the materials. By eliminating fatal flaws you increase the reliability. So really a 4 line C kite with 800pd lines and a fixed bar is about as reliable as you can get. You just don't get the benefit of depower and range. Other kites offer the same reliability, but with range and depower.

Imagine if your leg rope had two pulleys and had to be lubed up and serviced before you went surfing? How many of those would you sell, how many "dudes" would be spewing seeing their board smashed on the rocks when it let go?

I see reliability as a kite you pack up, and unpack on the beach for the next session with out any "maintenance" work.

Suit yourself guys, but there are a lot of kiters like me that treat their kites with contempt and often wear the consequences. Get a kite that suits your personality and you'll be right.

If you like cleaning and preening your kites - go with whatever
If you like to ride, pack up and go home, then think carefully.

I don't mind occasionally rinsing my lines, but pulling out a 13m kite to "lubricate" it in the shed is just one massive PITA! And spending $100 for a new bridle and pulleys is bull****.

I've almost died many times due to chicken rope, pulley, line and bridle failure.
I am sick of maintaining poor design and crappy materials so I now fly Ozone.

and no I don't sell them!



Jacques
Jacques
NSW
159 posts
NSW, 159 posts
3 Mar 2009 8:33pm
cezary said...

Jacques
Can you tell us which Flysurfer kites are not durable, also dont you think that when you compare PL to FS is like comparing Huyandai (PL) to Mercedes Benz (FS).
thanks.

Hi Cezary,
Some Flysurfer kites are not durable: the brand has developped a specific lightwind kite called "Silverarrow". It is exactly the same as their Speed model, with the exeption of the material which is much lighter (on the 19m kite, the total weight of the kite was 4.55 kg with the standard fabric, but it is 3kg for the silverarrow version). It makes a significant difference for lightwind riding... but the material used was fragile on the Silverarrow1 and the first Silverarrow2. They have now changed it for a stronger material (I think 37g/m2 instead of 27g/m2) which is claimed to be as strong as the standard fabric but lighter... I have not seen this new one so can't comment on that.
In regards to your comparison between PL and FS, I think they are both very different concepts. It is great to have both on the market to let us choose what we prefer!

cheers,
Jacques
inout-inout
inout-inout
VIC
131 posts
VIC, 131 posts
3 Mar 2009 11:24pm
kites r as good as the rider !!!!!!
inout-inout
inout-inout
VIC
131 posts
VIC, 131 posts
3 Mar 2009 11:26pm
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
inout-inout
inout-inout
VIC
131 posts
VIC, 131 posts
3 Mar 2009 11:28pm
riders make kites good not the other way round
fver
fver
WA
453 posts
WA, 453 posts
3 Mar 2009 9:39pm
Hello,

I agree with Jacques on the durability of Flysurfer kites.

The explanation is logical: the stress from the canopy is spread between numerous bridle lines. Thus no part of the canopy is under excessive stress.

Also, in case of abnormal stress in the canopy (for example, during a hot re-launch) , the fuse between the canopy and the line will break, thus saving the canopy. The kite will still fly and the behaviour of the kite is barely modified. I flought a kite with three broken bridle without noticing it until back to the beach...

Also, no part of the kite is under pressure (unlike LEI's leading edge and and struts). So no stitches durability issues.

I was flying a 2004 4.5m Extacy Flysurfer at Kitestock 2009 I do not pay special attention to my kites I use the 4.5 m to landboard (and crash) in the hills and on salt lakes. This kite is having a hard life... but still lives.

Also, I have briddles on some of the Flysurfers I fly. I do not specially pay attention to them other than blowing any sand off them before i launch. Some are three year old and still working. German quality (though probably made in Asia).

Fred



sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
3 Mar 2009 10:07pm
North evo?? i didnt think that kite had even been around long enough to say.

The most reliable kite is clearly a carney kite.
ruffryder61
ruffryder61
QLD
470 posts
QLD, 470 posts
3 Mar 2009 11:33pm
North Evo, Naish Cult, Slingeshot Fuel
mjaygray
mjaygray
WA
125 posts
WA, 125 posts
4 Mar 2009 4:21am

||| Naish TORCH hands down |||
mjaygray
mjaygray
WA
125 posts
WA, 125 posts
4 Mar 2009 4:28am

||| Naish TORCH hands down |||
mjaygray
mjaygray
WA
125 posts
WA, 125 posts
4 Mar 2009 4:30am

||| Naish TORCH hands down |||



junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
VIC, 701 posts
4 Mar 2009 8:18am
MINE, or the one my mates are selling.
Flowrider
Flowrider
QLD
10 posts
QLD, 10 posts
4 Mar 2009 8:04am
my training kite has been reliable, still going strong after having the sh1t flogged out of it by the wife and kids.
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