Kite X is the best

||| Naish TORCH hands down |||

We hire, f-one, North and Star Kite, in our experience the North Evo 2008 (yet to receive the 2009's) are the most problem free. Have a look at how they are made, there is basically a lot more dacron than spinnaker material in the kites, they are not one pump which always seems to make them more reliable.

Hello guys,
as I use to have a school with also a repair service, I saw allot of kites passing by...
Here is my opinions:
Naish - they have a problem with the Octopus System at least till 2007..
All the kites after a while (more then 6 months) start to loose air from the connection of the Octopus, impossible to repair in sizes smaller the 14m...
This specially in tropical climate...
Can fix by using plumber tape but on size 12 and smaller is impossible to get the hadn inside!!!
Not sure if they upgrade the system but I didn't see any news.

Bye Jankie

hey, not too open a can of worms but it eats me up when people post comments based on uneducated info - some ppl are genuinely looking for sound advice -common now!

kitesurferbali:

all the kites after a while start to lose air...

buddy, I would let this slip...but ppl tend to take advice on this forum as a 'final say' - regardless of whether it is paloney or not.
(& it's a pity so much incorrect knowledge is given to beginners & 'genuine advice seekers' in other forums too.)

Anyway, I worked in a local kitesurfing retailer store for over 3years in one of the most testing locations in the world - Cape Town - where the wind can blow consistently +30 knots every day&week in summer. YOU CANNOT GET A BETTER LOCATION TO TEST KITING EQUIPMENT IN...

They supplied Naish & over those 3 years I NEVER saw one kite returned for loss of air. never. & that's in Cape Town where the hardest knocks are taken & ontop of that the 'hot sunny temperatures/freezing Atlantic oceans ratio' should cause problems. But still NO returns. I dunno what you blokes do their in Bali - I think it's normal for any kite brand to suffer substantial damage if you kiting +6-8ft reef-sucking ball-chompers
there was the occasional '2006 octopus zipper problem' that you mentioned -and that was still very rare. but problem 'el solvod' in '07 mate...obviously you don't keep up-to-date.

& charle dv:

naish torch is hands down least reliable

simple Q buddy: have you ever tried one?

you will never have to return a Naish purchase due to any quality failures...unlike you see in other forums where people are complaing of their bearings breaking,chicken loop troubles, bar failures etc etc etc. on their Slingshots& Cabrinhas etc.
btw - I have ridden & enjoy these too so I am in no way bias to Naish.

But why do you not see any Naish users complaining...ever?

once you have purchased one there is no need to worry about anything...that's genuine satisfaction! it has been rated as the best performance C-kite in the world for the past 4yrs...
Naish riders - we're all smiling all the way to bank/beach!

I thus re-instate my initial statement(s) ||| Naish TORCH wins hands down |||

mjaygray said...

hey, not too open a can of worms but it eats me up when people post comments based on uneducated info - some ppl are genuinely looking for sound advice -common now!

kitesurferbali:

all the kites after a while start to lose air...

buddy, I would let this slip...but ppl tend to take advice on this forum as a 'final say' - regardless of whether it is paloney or not.
(& it's a pity so much incorrect knowledge is given to beginners & 'genuine advice seekers' in other forums too.)

Anyway, I worked in a local kitesurfing retailer store for over 3years in one of the most testing locations in the world - Cape Town - where the wind can blow consistently +30 knots every day&week in summer. YOU CANNOT GET A BETTER LOCATION TO TEST KITING EQUIPMENT IN...

They supplied Naish & over those 3 years I NEVER saw one kite returned for loss of air. never. & that's in Cape Town where the hardest knocks are taken & ontop of that the 'hot sunny temperatures/freezing Atlantic oceans ratio' should cause problems. But still NO returns. I dunno what you blokes do their in Bali - I think it's normal for any kite brand to suffer substantial damage if you kiting +6-8ft reef-sucking ball-chompers
there was the occasional '2006 octopus zipper problem' that you mentioned -and that was still very rare. but problem 'el solvod' in '07 mate...obviously you don't keep up-to-date.

& charle dv:

naish torch is hands down least reliable

simple Q buddy: have you ever tried one?

you will never have to return a Naish purchase due to any quality failures...unlike you see in other forums where people are complaing of their bearings breaking,chicken loop troubles, bar failures etc etc etc. on their Slingshots& Cabrinhas etc.
btw - I have ridden & enjoy these too so I am in no way bias to Naish.

But why do you not see any Naish users complaining...ever?

once you have purchased one there is no need to worry about anything...that's genuine satisfaction! it has been rated as the best performance C-kite in the world for the past 4yrs...
Naish riders - we're all smiling all the way to bank/beach!

I thus re-instate my initial statement(s) ||| Naish TORCH wins hands down |||

Yeah, we heard u the first time. We understand u really like the naish torch.

charle dv:

naish torch is hands down least reliable

simple Q buddy: have you ever tried one?

you will never have to return a Naish purchase due to any quality failures...unlike you see in other forums where people are complaing of their bearings breaking,chicken loop troubles, bar failures etc etc etc. on their Slingshots& Cabrinhas etc.
btw - I have ridden & enjoy these too so I am in no way bias to Naish.

But why do you not see any Naish users complaining...ever?

once you have purchased one there is no need to worry about anything...that's genuine satisfaction! it has been rated as the best performance C-kite in the world for the past 4yrs...
Naish riders - we're all smiling all the way to bank/beach!

I thus re-instate my initial statement(s) ||| Naish TORCH wins hands down |||

ummm i used to own a torch 3.. i had to take those octo things out and clean sand out from the one way valve area to stop struts leaking etc.. dad also had a torch 1 and that sucked b a l l s compared to my 04 Fuel. and dad also now owns one of those funny sea gull kites so we been through a fair bit of naish stuff aero 1s and 2s aswell.

Torch 3s were sick performance wise, could of upped the reinforcement on the trailing edge and the octo system i would prefer having to inflate each strut manually and not have to deal with that system.

08 lost power in its loops and became faster ( bad imo) and 09 lost even more power in its turns from what ive experienced.. well actually 08 and 09 were extremely similar...

I have to say the fuel; reguardless of year as even 02 models are still out there being riden and serviced regularly..

Hate to say this but any valve on any kite can delam if left to get hot when kite is wet, why so many fuels had the issue simple was more of them then any other kite. and more valves..
That aside one pump rules, and fuels with split strutt I haven't seen anything else take the pounding these boys have copped for years how many brands do you see who have second hand kites from 03, 04 still alive on the water after years of use??

sorse said...

Hate to say this but any valve on any kite can delam if left to get hot when kite is wet, why so many fuels had the issue simple was more of them then any other kite. and more valves..
That aside one pump rules, and fuels with split strutt I haven't seen anything else take the pounding these boys have copped for years how many brands do you see who have second hand kites from 03, 04 still alive on the water after years of use??

true, given that this is the case the use of octopus is even more stupid from a repair and service point of view.

surely it can't be that hard to stick a peice of vinyl to some polyurethane. Pure ineptness on the part of kite manufactures.