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Blownaway
Blownaway
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18 Jun 2007 6:56pm

We had a meeting today at Noosa and the general consensus is we need National an International help on this one boys an girls.
You can help by doing the following.

Telling everyone you know to write submissions to let kite surfing remain at the river mouth because:
It is a great environmentally friendly sport.
Attracts lots of tourists and there money.
Just as many come to watch as participate.
As some have mentioned before if it is banned they will take there families an money to other kite friendly locations for holidays.
Kiting is only done in a NE wind with an out going tide and in the afternoons, which does not happen all that often.
The river mouth belongs to everyone not just boats.
There are lots of boat accidents at the river mouth but no one seems to mind about that.
Most kiter's are very safety conscious and happy to give way to boats.
Lots of kids are getting into the sport and keeping off the streets.
etc etc etc
The main thing is to let them know just how many people will be devastated by the closure and to keep a positive spin on it.

http://www.noosa.qld.gov.au/Community/documents/Marine%20Zone%20Proposal%20Report%20Apr%202007.pdf

Written submissions on the discussion paper may be given to Council by any person. A properly made submission:
1. Is in writing and received by Council by 20 July 2007; and
2. Includes the name and address of each person making the submission; and
3. States the grounds of the submission and the relevant facts and circumstances in support of the grounds; and
4. Is addressed to Noosa Council, at PO Box 141, Tewantin, Q 4565, fax 07 5447 1062 or email [email protected]
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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18 Jun 2007 10:56pm
I particularly liked this bit:

There is a further issue of kite surfing causing
disturbance of resting/roosting shorebirds in the
Noosa River estuary near the river mouth. The
shadows cast by kite surfers have a similar affect to
the bird’s natural predators causing the birds to lift.
Research by Jaeger-Moran (2007)5 suggests that
these birds are using vital energy needed by
species to make migratory journeys to the northern
hemisphere and that the disturbance from kite
surfers may lower their reproductive success.


Someone's on crack... I mean, seriously, wtf?

Edit: I'd also like to point out that anyone who doesn't know the difference between "effect" and "affect" doesn't come across as someone who I'd trust with my taxpaying dollar.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
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18 Jun 2007 11:14pm
If a power body decides it wants to do something, then boundaries of what is rational become blurred. Even if the birds do first mistake kite shadows for big birds, the smart ones will quickly learn to ignore kites completely; survival of the fast adapters ensures smarter birds.........what a crock of ##########!

Sometimes when I fly at a secret spot I and have a mob of pelicans watching...they seem amused, it is only when I try and mow them down with my lines that they take off...every once in a while I get a meal.

Noosa, hear it is a nice place....too bad about the anti-kite nut...not for me.

poor relative
poor relative
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18 Jun 2007 11:28pm
I find that just shweeeet.
WTF....what about clouds, dont they cast shadows??
ran
ran
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ran ran
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19 Jun 2007 8:51am
say good bye to the river mouth boys and girls, those ****ers may finally get their way.
sunseeker
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19 Jun 2007 9:01am
Just e-mailed this. Please can everyone send individual (well thought out positive) responses. They hold a lot more weight than petitions. Don't stop petitions though. They are also good.

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From:
Nick Tompkins
Address 1
Address 2
Ph: xxxx xxxx

Regarding the proposal for Noosa River Marine Zone I would like to make the following objections:

I feel that kite surfing should be allowed in the Noosa River Mouth and not banned as proposed. Kite surfing is an environmentally friendly sport that is an asset to the Noosa area. It promotes a healthy activity for old and young alike and is something that I feel can be monitored and controlled in this area.

The proposal that the lakes can be used for kitesurfing is not viable. I have tried kitesurfing at these locations and the conditions are generally poor - they are only a good alternative for learning. I also feel that beginners should not be kitesurfing at the rivermouth. The rivermouth provides a unique location for the sport that can not be replaced with other locations.

The only altenative that I can see is regulating the sport. It is too easy just to ban something. Take some time and work with the kitesurfing to find a viable alternative for the sport in the rivermouth.

The sport is regulated in Australia through AKSA and internationally through IKO and locally through competent riders and teachers. It is possible to enforce that all people doing the sport in the area are members of AKSA or IKO from an insurance point of view. Good signage to create awareness is also essential. Reporting of dangerous riding and self regulation is also neccessary.

Kiting in the area takes up a small part of the year as it can only be done on an outgoing tide and in N or NE winds over about 10 knots. It therefore only needs to be regulated for these time periods. Restricting launching to certain areas is also neccessary as well as having no go zones near swimmers is also neccesary. This could all be done through signage. Responsible kiters would report irresponsible kiters as they would want to protect their spot.

Please take the time to consider this and other objections as well as petitions rather than just rushing into a ban.

Thanks
Regards,

Nick Tompkins

joespencer
joespencer
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19 Jun 2007 9:02am
What about the 4wd's that drive up to the spit on the other side of the river to the rock wall- do they disturb the migratory birds ?

if migratory bird habit is a valid, and primary reason for the ban they have to ban 4wd's from the area as well.

otherwise it would seem prejudiced and hypocritical.......... (had to do a spell check on these 2)
mtcan
mtcan
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19 Jun 2007 10:09am
Employ the service of a lawyer, put together a fundraiser for this and further action. If Goliath knows you have a stone he won't play. Councilors don't care about people outside of their election area.
ade r
ade r
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102 posts
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19 Jun 2007 10:32am
quote:
Originally posted by Blownaway


4. Is addressed to Noosa Council, at PO Box 141, Tewantin, Q 4565, fax 07 5447 1062 or email [email protected]



I'll throw my two cents in for you guys (and me in the long run - otherwise it will spread like a cancer).

If we email this address above - will it be taken as a valid submission? Or should we write the letter and post it?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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19 Jun 2007 11:08am
If my recollections are correct, don't these migratory birds (terns) usually gather from June to August?

Strange time of year for kiters to be taking advantage of NE seabreezes??
sunseeker
sunseeker
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19 Jun 2007 12:12pm
Seems the e-mail is taken as a valid submission. I got this response from Peter Milne about an hour after my submission.

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Dear Nick

Thank you for your response.
Over the next 5 weeks we will be gathering submissions, such as yours, and presenting these to the Noosa River Plan Community and Industry Advisory Committee for consideration. We will be meeting with stakeholders, such as kitesurfers, to discuss such issues you have raised.

We have included your contact details on our submission list so we can keep you informed regarding the consultation process.

Again, thank you for your thoughts on the management of kite surfing at the river mouth.

Peter Milne

Strategic Planning Officer

Noosa Council

07 54495167

ade r
ade r
NSW
102 posts
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19 Jun 2007 5:05pm
looks suspiciously exactly like the response I got. cut/paste.

.....at least he replied
echostorm
echostorm
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19 Jun 2007 6:00pm
yea i got the same response too! lol!
richrelative
richrelative
WA
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19 Jun 2007 4:27pm
Goverment they have decided what the outcome is already,its just diplomatic to talk to the general public,good luck neway,you may still be able to kite most beaches

Blownaway
Blownaway
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19 Jun 2007 6:55pm
yeh I got that response too.

Matt an Beck and a bunch of others are going to council for a meeting with the Peter an Rebeka from river planning committee on thursday at 3.30, I will keep you informed to the outcome.
rooey
rooey
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19 Jun 2007 8:31pm
Saturday 21st July is the suggested date for a meeting (probably in the park at the entrance to the Noosa Rivmth at the end of Hasting's st)all will be welcome, perhap's we can throw a bit of a sausage sizzle to feed ourselve's.Please show your interest buy way of a PM to me or Blownaway so we can get a rough idea of number's, or alternatively voice your interest to come on SB....Roo
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
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19 Jun 2007 9:50pm
[email protected]

To whom it May Concern
After reading your report "Noosa River Marine Zone Proposal" I would like to voice my concerns with said report on the following points relating to the lazy bundling of kitesurfing and windsurfing into your proposal. I am of the view that the report comes to its conclusion on the bases that it is not willing to even think about other, more appropriate options.

One of the purposes of the Noosa River Plan is to
“promote low impact, nature based recreational
activities on the river system that conform with the
ecological amenity values of the river and
surrounding residents.”

I am of the view that Kitesurfing is an environmentally friendly, low impact recreational sport. Kites can not be heard unless your with in a few feet of them, wake from a kitesurfer is barly a ripple and no fuel is burnt causing pollution. Kitesurfing could be considered the answer to the issues of wakeboarding as it doesn't involve large trailers and cars clogging up car parks or its damage to the shore line let alone the noise issues your give as cause to restrict PWC use.

It is proposed to expand upon the prohibited
freestyling, surfing and wave jumping areas and ban
such activities by motorised craft in all areas of the
river, with the exception of the commercial jet ski
area. It is also proposed to prohibit freestying,
surfing and wave jumping by wind powered craft
(eg. kite surfers and wind surfers) at the river mouth.
This is shown on Map 4.
(I could not find Map 4 in the report, appendices: maps was blank)
Reason for this is weak, Kitesurfing and Windsurfing have been drawn into this with out much cause or thought into its reason or implication.

Meanwhile, kite surfers and windsurfers operate in
an unpredictable manner, changing course rapidly
and are affected by sudden wind gusts and tidal
flows.

Kitesurfers may appear to be out of control and a risk to other water users. The truth is a kitesurfer with only one season of experience can stop quicker than a boat and change direction even quicker although obviously cannot go directly upwind.

The proposed freestyling, surfing and wave jumping
restrictions would alleviate these conflicts as kite
surfers and windsurfers would no longer be able to
conduct these activities at the river mouth.

Under the same reasoning the cure for SIDS is to stop all child birth, the same sort of reasoning was used by Hitler. "Jews are the problem, kill all of them"

Kitesurfing has a bad rap as Snowboarding did when it was first introduced, this has come from storeys of accidents that spread quickly and formed peoples opinions, based on these opinions the unwanted stereotype has formed. Due to recent promotion of the sport most people have seen the sport to be participated in by people from all walks of life. Young and old, Males and Females, Fathers and sons.

Understandably I am very disappointed by the report and would urge you to consider these points completely as they are not said lightly. I would not be effect by the regulations as a West Australian but it sets a precedent and stereotype that is not deserved.




Any one wanna edit this if they see fit as i have never been there and dont know the full story
Cheers
(i will add my name, address, number in the final)
[edited a bit myself]
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
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19 Jun 2007 10:05pm
quote:
I particularly liked this bit:

There is a further issue of kite surfing causing
disturbance of resting/roosting shorebirds in the
Noosa River estuary near the river mouth. The
shadows cast by kite surfers have a similar affect to
the bird’s natural predators causing the birds to lift.
Research by Jaeger-Moran (2007)5 suggests that
these birds are using vital energy needed by
species to make migratory journeys to the northern
hemisphere and that the disturbance from kite
surfers may lower their reproductive success.


Someone's on crack... I mean, seriously, wtf?

Edit: I'd also like to point out that anyone who doesn't know the difference between "effect" and "affect" doesn't come across as someone who I'd trust with my taxpaying dollar.


can you get your hands on that report? I tried to see some more info but it didnt give more than the title.

i want to see it, if its a bunch of crap then that's a big positive for you.
Blownaway
Blownaway
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776 posts
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20 Jun 2007 1:01am
Kitecrazy,Mate thats awsome the more people respond with submissions like that the better.I think you about summed it up and the crazyness of it all, keep em coming people flood the council with response from near and far,you never know your fav spot might be next !!

Come on people power
user
user
WA
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20 Jun 2007 6:41am
You guys are losing the plot !

If you accuse the council of being similar to Hitler,you are shooting yourselves in the foot !

You had better rein in guys like "Kitecrazy".

They will do more harm than good!
mtcan
mtcan
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20 Jun 2007 8:56am
bullsh-t hit them like you got a pair
quote:
Originally posted by user

You guys are losing the plot !

If you accuse the council of being similar to Hitler,you are shooting yourselves in the foot !

You had better rein in guys like "Kitecrazy".

They will do more harm than good!

mikeb
mikeb
QLD
126 posts
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20 Jun 2007 11:47am
Hey guys,
I wrote peter a letter pointing out the fact that the report didnt take into account the problem caused by 4wds and generall public with the birds.
HIs response was as foolows
They will be seeking signage to prevent 4wds from driving on the spit, but due to the large no of people who fish and walk around the area they anticipate not being able to prevent that from occuring.
Makes the case for kites which when rarely kiting are doing so in the arfternoon thus sending shadows down and away from the area pretty weak.
Blownaway
Blownaway
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20 Jun 2007 1:03pm
Must be some person in council who wants to live in a museam,look but dont touch. No surfing at the mouth,no kiteing,no fun,these sports are totaly enviromentally friendly,is the real issue being side stepped here and that being the enviromental vadalism caused by poor river managment over the years that has led to the destruction of fish habitat and breeding grounds(harbour town,Noosa sound etc)Surely commercial buissiness operating on the river is far more harmfull to the birds than kites.And the shallow bar is the danger for boats and lives could be lost due to the frequent sinkings and roll overs caused by the lack of action by council to provide a safe channel for all the boats they allow on the river,is this not a far more serious issue than stopping people from enjoying the few simple pleasures in life that are free.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
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20 Jun 2007 5:21pm
im pissed off right now, i just re edited it and was on to adding in my name and stuff when i lost it
echostorm
echostorm
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20 Jun 2007 7:55pm
quote:
Originally posted by kitecrazzzy

im pissed off right now, i just re edited it and was on to adding in my name and stuff when i lost it



bugger! Think how good it will be the second time mate!
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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20 Jun 2007 8:28pm
quote:
Originally posted by user

You guys are losing the plot !

If you accuse the council of being similar to Hitler,you are shooting yourselves in the foot !

You had better rein in guys like "Kitecrazy".

They will do more harm than good!



Right-on User.
Noosa is a freaking zoo.
But it's an incredibly beautiful zoo.
You've got...
canoes, sailboats, speedboats, fishingboats, houseboats, yachts, tourist-rides, ferrys, swimmers, shore-fishermen, jet-skies, poleys and kiters all trying to share a piece of it.
lol.
Kitesurfing isn't the problem.
Over-population is.
The lonely planet has become crowded.
6.6 Billion and counting.
Ma Nature will claim it all back one-day without the help of a Hitler.
jbowman
jbowman
QLD
37 posts
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21 Jun 2007 3:48pm
the noosa kitesurfing thing is totally out of control and I say ban it and jetskis.. they should all go waveriding and not annoy all of the people just trying to enjoy a sunday afternoon without all of these posers going back and forth..

ban it
Leadinedge
Leadinedge
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164 posts
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21 Jun 2007 5:38pm
Will make a petition & some flyers to hand out in my local area with details of how other kites can contact Noosa Council. If everyone who has had the pleasure of kiting at Noosa contacted the Noosa Council by letter or petition it will help the cause. Even if you think you might someday like to kite Noosa contact Noosa council now before it is to late. Once council take action to control this area in Noosa it will have an effect on many other areas in QLD at some stage, come on have a go speak up.

quote:
Originally posted by Blownaway


http://www.noosa.qld.gov.au/Community/documents/Marine%20Zone%20Proposal%20Report%20Apr%202007.pdf

Written submissions on the discussion paper may be given to Council by any person. A properly made submission:
1. Is in writing and received by Council by 20 July 2007; and
2. Includes the name and address of each person making the submission; and
3. States the grounds of the submission and the relevant facts and circumstances in support of the grounds; and
4. Is addressed to Noosa Council, at PO Box 141, Tewantin, Q 4565, fax 07 5447 1062 or email [email protected]

echostorm
echostorm
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21 Jun 2007 7:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by jbowman

the noosa kitesurfing thing is totally out of control and I say ban it and jetskis.. they should all go waveriding and not annoy all of the people just trying to enjoy a sunday afternoon without all of these posers going back and forth..

ban it



not annoy all of the people just trying to enjoy a sunday afternoon....

Isnt that what the kitesurfers are doing too? get over yourself champ.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
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21 Jun 2007 7:22pm
hey,Jabowman,are'nt you one of those ****er's that THINK'S he's kool at the point's on a Sunday....you are about as kool as a turd in the freezer,we dont need your ignorant statement's in the kite surfin section on SB
jock74
jock74
QLD
353 posts
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21 Jun 2007 8:20pm
quote:
Originally posted by jbowman

the noosa kitesurfing thing is totally out of control and I say ban it and jetskis.. they should all go waveriding and not annoy all of the people just trying to enjoy a sunday afternoon without all of these posers going back and forth..

ban it

Bud wake up to yourself BAN IT!! you got rocks in your head.
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