Walkaboutjoe's rebuild sail wagon

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j murray
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19 Jun 2009 2:42pm
Life passes, meekly in a heart beat, a split second of time building a sail wagon takes lotsa time ..... but it is happening. Little pieces are coming together
becoming units and being added slowly I took the replacment mast down to take a few measurements for the sail to be manufactured. Boomless as in the new hobie 14 style. So this post shows the first mock up of the mast, with the furler, a empty reel off a wire feed coil on a welder



here's a site with something of interest http://www.popsci.com.au jessie james and his modern day mayhem, hydrogen powered speed record, click cars.
j murray
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24 Jul 2009 8:09pm
Howdy, some more shots of progress, slowly but we getting there
outside now rear view driving position showing driving platform in the
up or slow operation/walking position, release catch and platform falls
to ride on setting.....down hill special.
Man shade canopy, with solar panels attached supplying, camp lighting,
12 v shower, radio cassett, uhf reciever, dc charge for phone, camera,
whatever, 18 litre Waeco refridge, spot light, etc



Similar with drive platform down



A bit of a close up from rear




Close up of self developed spring suspension retarder designed to
restrict amount of movement in swing beam to stop damage to hydraulic
brake lines, works a treat



showing driving steering stick verticle and brake activation lever,
not yet hooked into system



Absolute Bloody Show Off..... can you do this, "Crusty Bugga Aeh!!!"
thats how good its balanced, able to do wheeleys at will, lean out,
fall out maybe. C.o.g. will change a bit with loading, but should still
lift the steerers every now and again
its probably my death notice LOL, i only live once. No more for now.






nebbian
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24 Jul 2009 7:15pm
What a ripper!

When I looked at the design right at the start i thought you might need a swingarm on the front axle, to stop it swinging around and breaking the pivot when one wheel hits a rock... have you found that the front is strong enough?

If so I'll happily eat my words

j murray
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24 Jul 2009 8:50pm
steady...... Neb, your too far in front of construction yet, i dont think it will be a problem....and I give absolution on the eat your words businesss
last couple o days met a couple of others with an interest. One old bugga bought himself an stainless steel Blow Cart [around $3000] and have told him about seabreeze, so he could come looking. Another expressed interest and gave him me card and directions to the site, think he will have a look here too. So it is creating publicity for the activity. There is a lot of interest out there, seeems to me to be older farmers, truckys, welders, and tinkerers. so keep up the good work ...all of you.....
hills
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24 Jul 2009 10:38pm
Look'n good there Joe!! I bet you cant wait to get it out on the road!

j murray
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25 Jul 2009 1:09pm
Your right there Hillsy, an old bugga like me shouldnt get frustrated no good for B.P. but ill tell you they doooooooooo!!!!!! might be a job for you as a permanent picker upperer. The biggest problem to finishing is incoming finances could be i win lotto tonight, that will ease the heart burn..... To me there is no doubt drugs are being produced in my body and mind, nothing artificial or injested or injected though, just near to cloud nine.. Catch you later...cheer....joe
Hiko
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25 Jul 2009 1:54pm
Crikey Joe you have put some effort into this
Cant wait to see the machine in action I bet you cant also
Good stuff!
j murray
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26 Jul 2009 9:44am
Thanks Hiko,........you'll get an invite to the launch day, come and have a test drive, i recon it could roll in about six, [that is NZ sex] weeks with any luck. May not have all the frilly bits done but the basics will be workable. will post a time and location near Adelaide when trails begin for those that may be interested
bazl
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30 Jul 2009 8:45pm
j murray said...

... will post a time and location near Adelaide when trails begin for those that may be interested


Please do Joe - you might get more interest than you think!
j murray
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8 Aug 2009 7:42pm
O.K. for those who are interested, extracted it from the big workshop today, sat am, slipped it on the lowloader and trucked it home. It now sits at the front door, where i can run an lead and start some of the fiddly bits fit out. I recon there is still about six weeks on and off before sign off day, depending on the number of bills that i need to pay. .....So here are some newer photos with morebetter ambiance.





That is just a general side view, as it would be in a walking position. The shade screen area is above the walker/driver. Not a new thingo as "Boss Drover" Mat Savage of Canning Stock Route fame always traveled with an umbrella perched above him on his horse, camel or cart




Nearly the same thisfella but did you spot the difference, NO ? Yes! that's right on thus one the firemans platform is in the down position. This is what i reefer to as the down hill or cruizing position. Breeze is up or ya heading down hill [Horricks Pass], drop it down and step aboard, now hoooold on, we'reaway. If you are chatholitic inclined it could be the Jesyou platform, or if ya a mozlembly type consider yourself on the prayermat, or the magic carpet. Steady...hold on!!! For a simple days recreational sailing a sumputious chair fill be able to be retro fitted here. This will allow the daily use of the cart for Billy Cart derbys, minus the sails, couple of dads and a few rug rats who would be under age to participate could take the ride for a dollar a head donation to my favorite good cause. Also News camera personal would be able to cover the action is relative saftey...downhill madness. And lotsa other uses could be capable, camera flatform etc whatever. Sponsors????





What you may see from the harse end, did i mention a gun carriage at funerals.....[Eureka Flag draped coffin] walked to the grave side, Bagpipes or Banjos? Or towed by sixteen harnessed in tandem 21yo blond maidens ?? Santas Sleigh powered by your local scouting group and filled with tinsel glittering surprises....




Liddle bit allup closer look at the control end. Mobile catering[sausage sizzler]B.B.Q. equipped ?? There's more!!




The Rocker Arm rear suspension setup. Dedicated to all of us that have at least a couple of thousand hours operation of road graders. These blokes who at six k's per hour did our darned best to give the rest of you a comfortable ride thru life and the outback. This suspension has been on graders for many years, however it was used before the first world war on the then day version of trucks [some were steamers]. You will notice that it has climbed up on the front of tandem wheels to facilitate a brick like object. This shows about half the available movement. The coil spring setup constricts rotation to about 45 degrees each way. A safety device to stop damage to disk brake lines. The brakes are only on two wheels and I chooze the middle axle to be the bearers. I would think that they would remain the most likely to keep contact with the ground, most of the time. My disc brakes come from the front wheel of a powerful motorcycle.




O.K. here we be looking out ya special spring for the suspension and how she be set up. dont really need to say muccccch more.....any questions or crittersizes????
There are still photos to come tomorrow sorta masty thingos but i have to do some measury bits first...So that's your lot for saturday nite flicks.
Note if anyone out of the forum wishes to come and have a sticky, you are welcome. I live 30 odd k,s past Gawler S.A. in a northerly direction. Get In touch with me by PM, I am usually thru this forum by about 9am most days, and i am home most days too. unfortunately its not ready to sail, its a engineering sculpture .........
Hiko
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8 Aug 2009 6:38pm
Its a Boomer Joe
Cant wait to see the pics of it under sail
j murray
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9 Aug 2009 10:30am
now the different bits,




just a bita general view ova general controls





Similar showing sheet control panel,brakes,steering




not real good definition however the main dimensions
are foot of sail 1.8mtrs foot, usable height 3.2mtrs
something happened there it posted out of sinc
that would be my mistake but i'll leave it alone

front with self furler device attached





Fibre mast in place. Both masts are similar usable heights





Front bits with support area for mast and jib





mast and jib set up as has been used


j murray
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13 Aug 2009 1:53pm
better detail for mast and sail measurements



this schematic illustration shows a mainsail about
3 meters leading edge, with a 1.8 meter boomless foot
good , bad, or indifferent???? hopefully top edge of sail
should be, would like 0.5 meter or 0,8 meter
Hiko
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13 Aug 2009 1:24pm
Joe it appears from your drawing that your mast is freestanding and the sail will be furled by the mast turning and rolling up the sail
Do you know this system works OK? I ask the question as I once had a roller furling jib that turned on a spar which was fitted around the forestay
The spar had a block at the top and the haliard went through this and was used to hoist the sail so that when the sail was up the spar was in compression and was bowed slightly
I made it all up myself with a drum at the bottom for the furling line
It was a beast to reef until the first couple of turns were in due to the compressive bend in the spar I think
More sophisticated systems have a car that hoists the sail for just this reason I think- to keep the l spar straight and in tension to make the sail easy to reef
If your mast is bending and thrashing about with a flogging sail in half a gale Will it be easy to reef? I have no idea maybe some one can tell us
Gizmo
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13 Aug 2009 5:42pm
The rig for Joes cart is based on a Hobie cat rig that will furl around the mast.
www.hobie.com/sail/bravo/
The one and only batten looks strange and needs to be made of an oval shape plastic electrical conduit.
My ownly comment Joe is the "clew" the outer corner of the sail will need to be 300-500mm above the horizontal to allow for mast flex pulling backward.


kiwi307
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13 Aug 2009 4:30pm
As I said in a previous post I had a sail just like this on a yacht marketed by Chryler. It had 3 battens, all dead parallel to the mast, it looked odd to the old sailor lurking somehwere inside me, but it worked just fine. Rolled up well, and strangely the leach was supported just fine. This meant that as it furled the batten just lay along the mast. As you have drawn Giz the batten makes more of an angle with the leach at the major roach point. I would make it more triangular, simply cos I know it worked! No complication with trying to wrap the batten round the mast either.
Personally I liked the junk option better!
j murray
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13 Aug 2009 9:46pm
O.K. blokes your making me work here

The next little bit that i have worked out is the fibre mast head
designed to allow the use of a pauls type rig or the junk rig.

Ideally i will use the Gizmo rig mostly and especially round heavy population areas, because of the main safety feature, one rope control, that can be if needed let go so the sail will go straight to downwind. Then with no tension or sail flapping or mast jiggery pokery i can easily furl the sail around the mast by pulling on my mast roller reefer rope.

Now by placing on the top of my fibre mast the following made up bracket. It will allow me to rig for either of the other two different type rigs. I will carry with me one of them and i wish to give pauls idea a go. So by placing my insert [seen in this post] on the top of my mast , i think it can be accomplished. I will enjoy comparing the two different rigs and if the dollars come good i would just love to do the junky also



Terminology and language is evolving all the time, Sooo Lady's and Gentlemen, boys and girls, fellow landyachters worldwide may i present " The Dicky Bracket"
made from wood , turned, or high quality plastics
Gizmo
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17 Aug 2009 7:16pm
Had some spare time today so made up the timber insert for Joes carbon fibre mast.
Worked out very well with a gentle slide fit.....



j murray
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19 Sep 2009 2:17pm
Gidday all,
Well the last ally welding was completed this morning. Next week the brake system will become operational, beware with this type of operation as money evaporates, i am too embarrassed to add up fitting brakes, hydraulic has cost me, i would reckon that i could have purchased a blow cart, just on what the combined brake set has costed out to. Had I been wizer, Ha ,Ha, OH well its only money,
yep, money i don't have
So....that would leave the canvas guys work which is half completed and waiting for final fitting, couple of weeks,
then the electrical fit out which is mostly reinstall except for the radio/tape, refrigerator and uhf they need some expertise. Oh yes the sail it is being manufactured at the moment and should be a goer within a month.
Bugger , the trailer has to be widened by 250mm so that it will fit in, time and money is all it needs, then a new custom built swag, a GPS, Bugger bugger!!! yup........, bugger i we will need some wind, then it will be high summmer and i will have to just sit in front of the AC till April....geeeeeeezzzzz mate i hate to see old men cry
j murray
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20 Sep 2009 12:37pm

Some more photos...front wheel with Butterfly cleaners
fitted to stop prickle puntures



Same as 1 adjust as they wear



Brake wheel set up butterfly paddles



front of brake wheel with flexible set up



Brake controls motorbike hand piece to distributor manifold
for 2 sides then steel line to chassis near flexi



The home workshop and bench


j murray
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6 Oct 2009 11:06am
The trampoline area, master swag area
upon here i sleep and dream of things landyatching




The outer cover , colour selected by canvas bloke,
I rather like it, the colour, grows on one. However
the cut is lousy and will have to be modified to be
pleasing to the eye, and its a bit too heavy gauge






responderman
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15 Oct 2009 3:00am
That's a real nice job Joe, and I would like to say professional but I don't know where you would buy one With a rig like that i would fit the towing hitch at the back, You could do break-downs on yer travels. Whats next? You could have a solar panel, battery and motor for windless days
Regards
Jay

EDIT..............some day I will learn to shut my gob and give my brain a chance. I just spotted the solar panels on the roof Joe....Sorry, do you intend to add a motor for limited power when needed?
j murray
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15 Oct 2009 3:30pm
fair comment responderman,
ever since this urge started with me some 10 years ago, and life in general deteriorated, my romance with the sail has actually had some direction, an unseen guiding hand, has lifted me when needed and smacked me down in between.
Originally i wanted to build an Australian entry suitable for the solar race held yearly from Darwin to Adelaide. So the chassis part was strong and light to carry a bed of battery's.
My up grade are still working toward that goal, but in a round about way, i'm getting older and may not get there but the trip is better than speed itself.
If one were to total up the costs so far, it could prove to be very scary, so i don't. I am hopeful that this upgrade will be my xmas present to myself , it really could be under sail about then.............I wish!!!!!. just be careful lest YOU catch the bug
j murray
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30 Oct 2009 9:43pm
SORRY, can't landyachts be frustrating, building that is
Things are moving toward completion and then testing
A big effort to the sail maker on wednesday to try first fit of sail and maybe crib a few runs He seems impressed with the build
However it was not to be, the sail sticher had not received the computer cut panels to sew and sew ,
So all expectations amounted to nothing for another couple of weeks [}:)].
Other little bits are being adjusted and attached, brakes are all go and appear to be a1 effective
Small detailing has occurred and it adds a certain panache to the build, but not enough to photo as yet
Found a great pub to have a counter lunch at frustrating , aint it !!!
landyacht
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30 Oct 2009 8:05pm
so was the sailmaker waiting on intercity, interstate or intercontinental frieght getting the bits.
It would want to be a pretty amazing sail to warrant fancy computer cutting
cisco
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31 Oct 2009 12:08am
I would hazard a guess that most computer cut sails come from copying the cut of a sail that has come out of somebody's head.
j murray
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31 Oct 2009 6:56am
Ok kick me while i'm down [}:)]
I could end up serverly disturbed here, ^^ both you old farts should be
in bed at this hour......asleep....in your own bed..........
gotta.....go, me magpie's calling for her breakfast youngsters to feed
Gizmo
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31 Oct 2009 8:36am
I found it interesting that sails are designed on computer, then emailed to the fabric cutter and the cloth is then sent to the sailmaker to be assembled. Its just like painting by numbers. (and no waste for the sailmaker)
Sail lofts are now looking almost sterile no more rolls and rolls of colored cloth, but gone the way of economic reality.

Ive found the program your sailmaker / designer used....
www.sailcut.com
Its a FREE download....Its tricky to get your head around, but fun to use and you can change the shape and cuts, but im thinking sailmaking is more like an "art" rather than a computer generated thing.

Good lunch wasn't it Joe..... I give the "BirkBurger" a thumbs up
j murray
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31 Oct 2009 4:02pm
Dear Mr Hills esq,
i wonder dear Sir, if you could see your way open to shorten the two page post of my rebuild. AS i, and i presume others interested, are unfortunately on dial up only. Our government has advised us by mail that they are by-passing our little hamlet in the running out of the next G gear. The thin blue umbilicial chord. So for many years to come, we will have to wait a long time for downloading.
If it were able for the two page post to be made into four, that would be a great help,
to complete the saga of the rebuild. Thank you for your consideration's.......joe
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