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Created by Seajuice 3 months ago, 19 Apr 2019
Paddlezz
44 posts
14 Jun 2019 11:05PM
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I dont trust the bigger sized Wings yet. Need to know the measurements of the total width. I am a short guy and if the correct sailing position must near vertical and my ideal holding position is shoulder high, the end of the wing will drags in the water if not riding on foil.
Bytheway, my 3 and 4m Duotone is already ordered.

FoilColorado
25 posts
14 Jun 2019 11:59PM
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DavidJohn said..
I've heard the Naish Wings are shipping now.


DavidJohn - where have you heard this??

DavidJohn
VIC, 16145 posts
15 Jun 2019 12:38PM
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FoilColorado said..

DavidJohn said..
I've heard the Naish Wings are shipping now.



DavidJohn - where have you heard this??


My local shop says they are on there way and should arrive Monday.

I guess we'll see.

colas
3257 posts
15 Jun 2019 4:03PM
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Paddlezz said..
if the correct sailing position must near vertical


Apparently, the lower half of the sail must be around 45 degrees, so it is not as bad as it seems.

Beryl Besseau, 5'7" on one of the biggest sails, a 7m2:


From the reports, however, lighter riders do not need the 7m2, it is more cumbersome than it is worth. And the Gong team advises to increase the foil size rather than the wingsail size for low wind conditions.

Seajuice
NSW, 447 posts
16 Jun 2019 12:13PM
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Nice looking Wingsurfer Colas. Pretty much the same design as Naish. So I would say the 5 Metre would be the one to start with for an 80kg plus or minus 10 kilo person.
The main differences between most is the central strut handle.
The Duotone's advantage is that one would not have to let go to take another grip position & controlling the wing by twisting the strut. Plus the wing stiffness adjustments. But the disadvantage in my opinion would be only the pack up & paddle when on the water if needed.
The Signature brand looks to have done their homework too with the twin struts. I would say it would help controlling the wing a bit like the Duotone strut.
Choices, choices. I will see what's available near end of July & make my decision then.

colas
3257 posts
16 Jun 2019 11:26AM
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Seajuice said..
controlling the wing by twisting the strut.



Apparently you do not control the wing by twisting or exerting any kind of torque with the hands, the wing has too much power to fight it into any position (and without a harness you would not last long anyways). You just lower or raise the hands relative to one another, and the wing then stabilizes itself around these hands positions, rotating around you to get more vertical or horizontal. Kind of an indirect control.

colas
3257 posts
16 Jun 2019 5:54PM
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How to surf some glorified chop by letting the wing float neutral in the wind. Patrice Guenole, 100kg, 7m2 wingsail, 90cm (XL) foil wing.

www.facebook.com/patrice.guenole/videos/10219695725085979/

IanInca
18 posts
17 Jun 2019 3:46AM
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I've tried the Duotone wing twice as a demo and used a non foil sup both times. Each test was on very choppy days in 12 to 18 knots. I have ordered the gong 5m. I definetely think learning on flat water will aid progression very quickly but tides meant I had to go in the chop. The wing is loads of fun and you look a right clown in the water trying to learn. Picture juggling 2 leashes, a board, a 5m kite that keeps wanting to turn over, pulling yourself on the board with hands (or do u hold the wing?), then to your knees, pull in the wing but now you are facing the beach, quick 90 degree shuffle of the board and then just when it's all in the right place a 2ft peak sends you back to the starting point. . But I loved it and I did manage to go upwind both times. Having spent a few years dropping litres and size of sups I have just bought a used JP 10'6 Allrounder to use with it to cruise and potentially take some waves with. I tried it on my low litre small surf sup for about 5mins and quickly swapped with a friend's whopper which was great. I had no intention to learn to sup foil but if the wing goes well I definitely will have a go.

Supmaori
639 posts
17 Jun 2019 5:39AM
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Ianinca..any feedback on the difference between the 2 wing foils you tried and....why did you go with the gong over the duotone
Chur

IanInca
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17 Jun 2019 6:08AM
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Ianinca..any feedback on the difference between the 2 wing foils you tried and....why did you go with the gong over the duotone
Chur


Chur, I used the Duotone both times. I ordered the Gong having never used it. Before I say this I live in the UK and I have no connection with Gong who are French. For me Gong have provided me with some great boards, paddles, bags etc.. at a great price with knowledgeable advice and heaps of integrity. Those boys just get it right and the price was ?450 for a 5m with delivery!!!! The 4m naish ?728 and duotone ?680. Big difference... Seeing the clip of Patrice (owner, shaper) gliding around with the wing in some chop makes me evan more excited. The kite shop (I'm not a kiter or foil) I borrowed it from love the Duotone and I've seen them buzzing around on it with foils loads. A few of the kiters compete internationally with kite foil racing and if they are excited about using it I reckon Joe Average like myself can have some fun on it.
Seajuice mentioned the boom and twisting it. I tried and failed with this. It doesn't work and is the wrong technique. I did like the bar when moving my hand as you can slide hands without releasing the bar.
Personally I don't think there will be a great deal between all of wings.
A local kite instructor /sail maker is already offering to adjust old kites to a wing for ?250.
It could be a colourful and fun summer.

JEG
VIC, 1182 posts
17 Jun 2019 9:36AM
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colas said..
How to surf some glorified chop by letting the wing float neutral in the wind. Patrice Guenole, 100kg, 7m2 wingsail, 90cm (XL) foil wing.

www.facebook.com/patrice.guenole/videos/10219695725085979/


mr Gong Patrice soo talented and making it look easy and probaly is if your in the water almost everyday. I see guys here doing well on the foil because thier on it more than once a week and good for them. I see myself years behind on foiling haha. If others dont take note the name Gong will be Google in water sports

Seajuice
NSW, 447 posts
17 Jun 2019 10:19AM
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Thanks Colas and IanInca.
Ok so there is no twisting of the centre strut of the Duotone for adjustments then. But has the sliding of hands along the centre strut which I can see to be an advantage at times. Especially in surf I think.

Piros
QLD, 5479 posts
17 Jun 2019 10:25AM
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I've got the Duotone 5m in my car but not a breath of wind. The Duotone is strutless only has an inflatable leading edge , it does have battens in the canopy. The boom is also adjustable (longer /shorter) so you can adjust the canopy for lighter or stronger winds.

Seajuice
NSW, 447 posts
17 Jun 2019 10:51AM
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Thanks Piros. I have to get my terminology right. Never wind or kite surfed so dont know all the parts associated with them.
So its the boom that you hang on to.
Looking forward to your first rides. The winds are blowing hard enough here on the south coast NSW Australia. More than not.
Cant wait till I get one.

colas
3257 posts
17 Jun 2019 11:17AM
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JEG said..
mr Gong Patrice soo talented and making it look easy and probaly is if your in the water almost everyday.


Yes, plus years of competitive surfing and windsurfing, then lots of kiting and foiling...
I guess it is definitively not as easy as he makes it look :-)

JEG
VIC, 1182 posts
17 Jun 2019 2:40PM
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thats my delema with sup in general, I see these guys ripping and then I try to do it as weekend warrior and get kook slam in my face with a

colas
3257 posts
17 Jun 2019 3:12PM
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Ah, a warning on the durability of wings by Patrice:

- they are nowhere as tough as windsurfing sails: the cloth is 3 times lighter, with no reinforcement grid in it: they will explode easily if caught in waves, just like a light kite sail. Kiters know this, but if your only experience with sails is windsurfing, beware! Reinforcing them would make them too heavy for the intended no-harness casual use.

- they are also sensitive to chafing on ground or sand (like kites)

- they may be less durable than kite sails as the leading edge strut does not have the support of the lines to mitigate the stress of the wind, that may make for a reduced lifespan compared to a kite wing

- the foil can act as a big knife if water or wind is pushing the sail on it. And windsails being so light, they can easily be swept away by the wind on the beach.

Patrice kid managed to explode 2 wingsails this weekend (one while falling in a small breaking wave, one with the wind catching the wingsail on the beach and landing it on the foil)

I guess this is less a problem in OZ, but it will be in France, where a lot of people have only Windsurfing experience (the windsurf craze was huge in France). I guess Aussies are more probably used to kite sails than windsurfing sails.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1874 posts
17 Jun 2019 7:32PM
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Colas, where does the guy who designs the worlds best windsurfing sails come from?

AlexF
196 posts
17 Jun 2019 6:19PM
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Scotty Mac said..
Colas, where does the guy who designs the worlds best windsurfing sails come from?


Maui?
Jason D. btw.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1874 posts
17 Jun 2019 8:27PM
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Ha ha did you mean Jason P? Ben Severne i meant.......

Seajuice
NSW, 447 posts
17 Jun 2019 9:14PM
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Thanks Colas. Something we will have to be aware of. So does that mean you have to replace or patch the bladder? And patch the ripped material of the wing? Or does it mean buying another wing?
I think common sense says patch if minor & repair by sail maker if it rips.

hilly
WA, 4698 posts
17 Jun 2019 7:24PM
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Seajuice said..
Thanks Colas. Something we will have to be aware of. So does that mean you have to replace or patch the bladder? And patch the ripped material of the wing? Or does it mean buying another wing?
I think common sense says patch if minor & repair by sail maker if it rips.


Same as kites usually easy to repair, even bust bladder.

hilly
WA, 4698 posts
17 Jun 2019 7:30PM
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FoilColorado
25 posts
17 Jun 2019 10:05PM
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Lots of delivery date promises

so far no product

2020 is on the horizon let's get the 2019 gear out!!

colas
3257 posts
17 Jun 2019 10:43PM
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Scotty Mac said..
Ha ha did you mean Jason P? Ben Severne i meant.......


No way, I am a die hard fan of David Ezzy sails! David was born in Canada.

colas
3257 posts
17 Jun 2019 10:45PM
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Seajuice said..
Thanks Colas. Something we will have to be aware of. So does that mean you have to replace or patch the bladder?


Like Hilly said, they can be repaired just as kite sails.

Seajuice
NSW, 447 posts
18 Jun 2019 10:02PM
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colas said..

Seajuice said..
Thanks Colas. Something we will have to be aware of. So does that mean you have to replace or patch the bladder?



Like Hilly said, they can be repaired just as kite sails.


Thanks guys. Now I wonder which wing is the most durable & will last the longest? Naish sounds good as they have mentioned kevlar in their materials used.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1874 posts
18 Jun 2019 9:36PM
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Seajuice i am sure they are all built similar. Key is too not drag them on the ground and they be fine. Wash with fresh water too.

Piros
QLD, 5479 posts
18 Jun 2019 10:36PM
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Never washed a kite in my life . Cabrhina have a new super tough rip resistant material for their kites and Foil wings 2020 .

hilly
WA, 4698 posts
18 Jun 2019 8:48PM
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Piros said..
Never washed a kite in my life . Cabrhina have a new super tough rip resistant material for their kites and Foil wings 2020 .


Agree. Fresh water = mould



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