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Created by AndyrooMac 5 months ago, 17 Aug 2018
laceys lane
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 1:48PM
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glide77 said..



Thats looks amazing. Cut snake category

AndyrooMac
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 5:12PM
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saltyheaven said..
Yeah, it's highly possible that I'm right with you on that Andy regarding the eggy mids and how much I love them vs the fish thing. I'm just toying with this idea, might go nowhere, might make one....

Here's a pic showing a 7'4 mid that would pretty much nail a travel board for me. I only take one board going anywhere, I just could not be stuffed carrying more around. Alongside is my first ideas for this stretched fishish concept - 6'10 x 21.5, 13" between the pins, 16.5" tail. I'm looking for an outline that will encourage all that we love in our single eggs, but maybe have just a slightly wider range.

Heading to Roaring today, feel like a long drive?








I reckon my c bucket has wider range then the nautilus.
I would ride it in nearly anything I dare paddle out in.
Maybe just a personal preference but 2+1 Narrow pin tail eggs are my preference as a one board quiver then a wide swallow fish. My tails on the eggs are narrower then the fish.

I reckon wide swallows get hung up in the top of the wave when it gets bigger. I find them fun in knee to a bit over head high but the ones I've owned I haven't loved in bigger waves, the speed on the quad is great but sometimes especially on my backhand I find sometimes they get hung up on take off.



I like the first one... and I'd have to agree with SP, the pintail has far better hold, is more neutral when it gets bigger or hollower and I find turns better.

If you need it to catch smaller waves then just hold a bit more volume in the tail. It's amazing how much difference in the wave catching side of things that makes between my Lizzy which is super foiled out Vs the TC which holds heaps more volume. My idea is I would actually love to re-shape the Lizzy with the extra tail volume from the TC as It doesn't need to be 8'4", could easily be shorter... That's where i'm going with my next board I think, the perfect partner to Lizzy... I could then easily 3 board quiver with a 9'6" log.

That said, I surfed Lizzy today at North Cliffo beachies and she went UNREAL, paddled into some tiny ones I thought I had no chance on and made a few real late ones... Best board in the quiver, best board i've surfed EVER... still need to do the review too...

But then I have a mate who's addicted to fish, its all he surfs, he loves the skatey feeling and shorter rail... So I guess given all your other boards are eggs, maybe the fish would be cool as something different but probably not the ideal travel board


Couple quick dodgy snaps, not too many windows with the kiddies these days








saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Friday , 11 Jan 2019 5:19PM
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Thanks SP and Andy, nothing like bouncing ideas around to see the bigger picture. Much appreciated.

Maybe I'll end up just making an inbetween size (the 7'4) of what I've worked so long to get just right, for me. Gotta say, I was surfing today thinking 'what's this board not doing that I'm looking for?' and I really have no decent answer. It is nice to mix things up a bit though so who knows!


Would still love to take your CC Fish for a spin Andy, I'll get up your way next time it's looking decent.

saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Friday , 11 Jan 2019 5:21PM
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We're cross posting..... Yes, 100% get what you're saying regarding tail thickness/volume. Mine are more like the Lizzy but not quite so foiled. I could for sure bump that up a bit to help the low end, good thinking.





AndyrooMac
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 5:57PM
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We're cross posting..... Yes, 100% get what you're saying regarding tail thickness/volume. Mine are more like the Lizzy but not quite so foiled. I could for sure bump that up a bit to help the low end, good thinking.






Yours looks real flat too, maybe add some tail kick for variation... both mine are pretty flat but have gradual/continuous rocker which seems to work better than flat with a kick in the nose/tail...

Keen to get down to yours but time is a little short with the kids on school holidays...

I need to start getting shaping basics together, my issue is that my shed is too small to shape for now and the new shed has been put on hold, i might need top take another look and see if I can mod my current shed to get rolling though.

AndyrooMac
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 5:57PM
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onefin
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 3:36PM
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Hey Salty, I have been pondering a longfish for a while, from what I ve seen on Insta Josh Hall has a nice 6-8 template. I dropped by Desa store last week on the sunny coast and they have a beautiful 7'5 in the rack made by Thomas bexton (who is friends with josh hall). The guy who owns the shop has a 7'9 and he reckons that the sweet length is 7'4- 7'10.
not a fish, but those bigger morning of the earth channel twins that Torren Martyn rides are around 7'9. The first Vouch midlength vish we're also around the 8ft mark....please bear in mind I have never ridden a long fish however I plan to get one this year.... maybe longer than we think is the way to go.

laceys lane
QLD, 17916 posts
Friday , 11 Jan 2019 5:37PM
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My take on shaping. Ive been a chippie since i was 15. So ive got skills. Hung around a lot of shaping bays. Helped expoxy glass etc etc.
But i dont think i could get it right.
From what i seen a new shaper stuffs around until he develops a board. Rockers are the big key . he then gets his templates or these days his files. While fine tuning his boards , he then needs to extend his range for a second type of board. And so and so. Even with computer shaping programs
All this takes time to develop his range, skills and experience .

Some shapers can only do a certain type of board.
Someone like Murry Burton is a super skilled shaper with massive experience and has taught the best shapers doing the rounds.
He can make you any board straight of the cuff without too bother.

Personally i wouldnt want to trivalize the art by have a crack myself unless i was fully committed.

However people like richard harvey offer courses and your first board which i reckon is a shoe in the best way to start imo


Thats just my take on it.
But im stoked for guys that do have a crack at it

onefin
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 3:37PM
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Toobz said..
Apparently something like this works well in longer lengths too. Again haven't tried one but thought outlines might give you some ideas.

Mackie Sidecut Fish.


Thanks Toobz, another board that I now want!!!!!

saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Friday , 11 Jan 2019 6:48PM
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@ Andy:

Aye, I've done a fair bit of rocker experimentation, when you gain one thing you lose another, and it's all so tied in with everything else of course, you know rails, planshape, bottom contours.... I kind of think of a pin tail and tail kick as achieving much the same thing in a different way, by degree like a slider from one set of extremes to the other.
My rockers are continuous-ish, there's certainly no kick or flip, but they're not a single radius. Very few boards are, I think Greg Webber sometimes does that but no one else that I'm aware of. I could for sure gain a bit more range top end by increasing the rocker but the top end isn't where I'm wanting at this stage, and if I went any flatter I'd be into hull territory and I've tried that. (fun but not what I'm after.)


More than happy to help with shaping and glassing anytime, I've happily helped dozens of guys make their first board. How little/bad can your shed be? I typically rent a shaping bay for a three hour block but have used all manner of dodgy half arrangements when it suits, including on a windless day outside aiming the planer swarf at a tarp strung up a wall and held in a big basin around the stands. I've used a bar fridge and a big cardboard box as stands, I've done the whole thing once without any power. Whatever you've got, it can work, and I can fill the holes in your toolkit if needed.

Bit of a NE swell building now, forecast to peak overnight and die quickly, early tomorrow might be worth a look.

saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Friday , 11 Jan 2019 6:55PM
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Agree Laceys that to expect to throw out a winner first go is unrealistic. Don't agree that having a crack trivialises anything, quite the opposite in fact.

Toobz
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Friday , 11 Jan 2019 4:14PM
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onefin said..

Toobz said..
Apparently something like this works well in longer lengths too. Again haven't tried one but thought outlines might give you some ideas.

Mackie Sidecut Fish.



Thanks Toobz, another board that I now want!!!!!


Yep me too!
10 in the rack and I can't stop looking at bloody Gumtree! It's a disease

saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Friday , 11 Jan 2019 7:37PM
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onefin said..
Hey Salty, I have been pondering a longfish for a while, from what I ve seen on Insta Josh Hall has a nice 6-8 template. I dropped by Desa store last week on the sunny coast and they have a beautiful 7'5 in the rack made by Thomas bexton (who is friends with josh hall). The guy who owns the shop has a 7'9 and he reckons that the sweet length is 7'4- 7'10.
not a fish, but those bigger morning of the earth channel twins that Torren Martyn rides are around 7'9. The first Vouch midlength vish we're also around the 8ft mark....please bear in mind I have never ridden a long fish however I plan to get one this year.... maybe longer than we think is the way to go.




Yeah, thanks. What I think is that you should go straight out and buy one and tell us how it goes!!! haha. Actually buy a shorter one and a longer one and a nice egg and compare them all for us!

The whole reason for considering this, for me at least, is to get the thing a bit smaller but keep the range and long rail of the eggy mids I love. I've got a 7'6 egg that blows my skirt up in every way for the up to 4 foot stuff and a 7'2 that takes me from 3' - 6' (Not often much interested over that anymore.) but unfortunately neither is great alone to cover all bases well enough as a one board travel quiver.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1379 posts
Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 7:20AM
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onefin said..
Hey Salty, I have been pondering a longfish for a while, from what I ve seen on Insta Josh Hall has a nice 6-8 template. I dropped by Desa store last week on the sunny coast and they have a beautiful 7'5 in the rack made by Thomas bexton (who is friends with josh hall). The guy who owns the shop has a 7'9 and he reckons that the sweet length is 7'4- 7'10.
not a fish, but those bigger morning of the earth channel twins that Torren Martyn rides are around 7'9. The first Vouch midlength vish we're also around the 8ft mark....please bear in mind I have never ridden a long fish however I plan to get one this year.... maybe longer than we think is the way to go.






Yeah, thanks. What I think is that you should go straight out and buy one and tell us how it goes!!! haha. Actually buy a shorter one and a longer one and a nice egg and compare them all for us!

The whole reason for considering this, for me at least, is to get the thing a bit smaller but keep the range and long rail of the eggy mids I love. I've got a 7'6 egg that blows my skirt up in every way for the up to 4 foot stuff and a 7'2 that takes me from 3' - 6' (Not often much interested over that anymore.) but unfortunately neither is great alone to cover all bases well enough as a one board travel quiver.



I agree about the rocker thingy, I mean Lizzy it's real flat, it's slight gradual rocker... And watching you surf at Park it clearly worked on some nice deap takeoffs which is generally where you can have issue with flatter rocker...

Here's a pic of Lizzy rocker:
www.instagram.com/p/Bj8e0c-ng5v/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=r6g6pfd5vxgs

I guess the question is, what issue are you having with the 7'6" when it does get over 4ft and can it be fixed. I know Dave Parmeter suggests that when it gets 4ft+ and faster that's where he deploys the Widow Maker fin configuration but up to that he suggests single fin...

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1379 posts
Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 7:23AM
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Here's a nice pic of Lizzy on rail, shows how clean you can knife a turn and how efficient the water displacement is...

www.instagram.com/p/BsgDca_AlQP/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1c8mrupnb992h







saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 10:28AM
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AndyrooMac said..




I guess the question is, what issue are you having with the 7'6" when it does get over 4ft and can it be fixed. I know Dave Parmeter suggests that when it gets 4ft+ and faster that's where he deploys the Widow Maker fin configuration but up to that he suggests single fin...




Yeah, I can go along with that for sure.

My 7'6er is single only and the wide point is right in the middle combined with really very little rocker. It's perfect for so many waves but can get challenging when it gets hollow and more than a little overhead at the same time. It gets a bit overpowered, there's a lot of area in the back half.
The 7'2er is so different despite looking quite similar. Wide point a bit forward, narrower, narrower tail and nose, little side bites, a bit more rocker. Handles anything I'm up for, had it out at the reef near my place (you know the one) early this morning, no sweat. Gets a bit boring in gutless or smaller waves though.

I've got a 7'4 blank that I bought to hit the spot right between the two, I know I can make that work easily and is probably what I should do rather than head off on a whole new path which I know will take several boards to get right.

The board I rode at Park that day is the 8'0er, it's the grovel board. Lots of foam, more continuous rocker. I've had it out in big but full waves and it's a blast in that too. Not really an effective duckdiver which is the limit it hits first.

onefin
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Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 7:52AM
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onefin said..
Hey Salty, I have been pondering a longfish for a while, from what I ve seen on Insta Josh Hall has a nice 6-8 template. I dropped by Desa store last week on the sunny coast and they have a beautiful 7'5 in the rack made by Thomas bexton (who is friends with josh hall). The guy who owns the shop has a 7'9 and he reckons that the sweet length is 7'4- 7'10.
not a fish, but those bigger morning of the earth channel twins that Torren Martyn rides are around 7'9. The first Vouch midlength vish we're also around the 8ft mark....please bear in mind I have never ridden a long fish however I plan to get one this year.... maybe longer than we think is the way to go.





Yeah, thanks. What I think is that you should go straight out and buy one and tell us how it goes!!! haha. Actually buy a shorter one and a longer one and a nice egg and compare them all for us!

The whole reason for considering this, for me at least, is to get the thing a bit smaller but keep the range and long rail of the eggy mids I love. I've got a 7'6 egg that blows my skirt up in every way for the up to 4 foot stuff and a 7'2 that takes me from 3' - 6' (Not often much interested over that anymore.) but unfortunately neither is great alone to cover all bases well enough as a one board travel quiver.


The thought crossed my mind in the shop with the 7'5 fish! but we were travelling in my wife's car which doesn't have a roof rack, our car was full of the usual $hit and I really only had room for my thick Lizzy ..... which I am not parting with. Lame excuse but reality in that moment.

surfed Noosa a bit while up there, despite the onshore, the Lizzy was fantastic. What can't that board do, one board quiver. Covers so many bases.

saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 11:29AM
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What can't that board do, one board quiver. Covers so many bases.


Yeah, I'm probably being a bit unrealistic to increase the range of what I have with my 7'2er. I can tweak it up or down for sure but pretty hard to increase it.
Last year I was away for 4 months riding everything from double overhead Indo to English beach break mush. I was sorted for the good stuff but have to admit there was a lot more marginal days than good over the whole trip. I would have been better off with a board that was pushing the limit on the top end, even if that meant sitting out one or two sessions, and more alive in the smaller stuff.

Carry two boards is the obvious solution, I'm just so totally not going to do it though. Little carry on backpack and one board under my arm is joy to me.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1379 posts
Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 2:34PM
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This looks like a bit of fun...

www.instagram.com/p/Bsg1ur4g3y2/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=isrfn16971f8



AndyrooMac
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Saturday , 12 Jan 2019 4:25PM
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onefin said..



What can't that board do, one board quiver. Covers so many bases.



Yeah, I'm probably being a bit unrealistic to increase the range of what I have with my 7'2er. I can tweak it up or down for sure but pretty hard to increase it.
Last year I was away for 4 months riding everything from double overhead Indo to English beach break mush. I was sorted for the good stuff but have to admit there was a lot more marginal days than good over the whole trip. I would have been better off with a board that was pushing the limit on the top end, even if that meant sitting out one or two sessions, and more alive in the smaller stuff.

Carry two boards is the obvious solution, I'm just so totally not going to do it though. Little carry on backpack and one board under my arm is joy to me.


Having 2 kids.. I'm massively envious of that means of travel

saltyheaven
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Wednesday , 16 Jan 2019 2:57PM
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saltyheaven
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Wednesday , 16 Jan 2019 3:00PM
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Moments of midlength bliss...




saltyheaven
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Wednesday , 16 Jan 2019 3:23PM
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chrispy
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Wednesday , 16 Jan 2019 12:26PM
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saltyheaven said..
Moments of midlength bliss...





Everything about that pic is so nice to the eye

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1379 posts
Wednesday , 16 Jan 2019 7:34PM
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Really nice pics Salty

Here's Torren doing his thing, some really nice surfing.

www.instagram.com/p/Bsrc0EihMEP/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1pkj4aj9sqkdi

saltyheaven
TAS, 373 posts
Today , 17 Jan 2019 12:24PM
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The wave is the star of that clip!! Gotta get me over there one day.

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1076 posts
Today , 17 Jan 2019 12:50PM
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Would love to try a thick Lizzy with bonzer set up. My CB speed egg is such a smooth board to surf perfect to iron out the kinks from surfing 6'0 - 6'4 thrusters most days. Anyone here tried Lizzy bonzer?

AndyrooMac
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Today , 17 Jan 2019 1:11PM
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Would love to try a thick Lizzy with bonzer set up. My CB speed egg is such a smooth board to surf perfect to iron out the kinks from surfing 6'0 - 6'4 thrusters most days. Anyone here tried Lizzy bonzer?


Still waiting on mine, he re-sent awhile ago so shouldn't be far away... But given most of my surfing is done in smaller waves (up to OH) I cant see that i'll get much if any benefit... I'll update once I get em though

AndyrooMac
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Today , 17 Jan 2019 1:21PM
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saltyheaven said..
The wave is the star of that clip!! Gotta get me over there one day.


My neighbour is doing a trip in March...

McHenry
SA, 1527 posts
Today , 17 Jan 2019 2:05PM
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You've been waiting on those bonzer sides for almost a year now Andy it seems...

Whats taking so long.. ???



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