First time I've had my new short-style wave board in half reasonable waves. One my best wave I nose dived coming off the lip.

It's the one thing I was worried about with the short board design, the lack of nose flip.

Anybody else have this problem??
If so is there a solution???
If not have I got the nose rocker of this board wrong???

Well it's 7/8 back at the moment, there's only about 10mm to go, but I guess it's worth a try.

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Originally posted by decrepit

First time I've had my new short-style wave board in half reasonable waves. One my best wave I nose dived coming off the lip.

It's the one thing I was worried about with the short board design, the lack of nose flip.

Anybody else have this problem??
If so is there a solution???
If not have I got the nose rocker of this board wrong???

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What board have u got and where were u sailing?

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Originally posted by Zed


What board have u got and where were u sailing?

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Mine, www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=3234


here.

mate i have a 70l e?? and even in the Steepest waves I have never nose dive it
Maybe you are to soft on the back foot
Sometimes it looks like it will nose dive but it don’t
Just ride it out hard

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Originally posted by decrepit

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Originally posted by elmo

Could try driving the turn more from the back foot,

Thats all we need is decrep trowing up more water

Alby

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You mean the turn/bounce off the lip???
That's pretty much all back foot anyway, think I have to try and lift the front foot, push down on back foot as I'm going down.
Trouble is at my age it all happens very quick.
With the old boards I didn't have to worry about it, the nose kick took care of it.

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Realistically it could just be the crappy conditions of today

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Originally posted by elmo

Realistically it could just be the crappy conditions of today

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Yeh, could be, but it was on one of the rare better waves, I'm not panicking yet, just wonder if it's a common thing when you first change to this style board.

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Originally posted by greenleader

no seriously, i think your beard is blowing into your face at the critical off the lip moment decrep, shave, shave, shave, you know you'll thank me.

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Nuh, it's not that long yet, it doesn't get cut untill I grab it and the boom when I gybe, (can be painfull)

Just cut the nose of the board off and it won't be possible to nose dive anymore

my sides are hurting from laughing greenleader

On a more serious note, might not be enough volume in the rails on the nose or not enough volume in the nose or maybe the rear footstrap is too far forward.

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Originally posted by elmo

Are you using the 2 bolt chinook base? if so try a single as it will give an extra 2" on rearward movement

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I've also thought about swapping over from 2 bolt chinook, to one bolt so I can get further rear placement in mast-track, great thinking Elmo, all my teaching is finally paying off

I have my mast base foward of the centre and find it better to get a driving bottom turn. I never really nose dive when coming off the top either so I don't think putting the mast base further back is going to be the solution. It may be more technique than mast base position.

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Originally posted by Mark _australia

Well no, u need a mast bast pozzie of about 133-137cm from tail for most boards most of the time. On some boards that is damn near the back of the track, and in others it is way forward and you have trouble engaging the rail unless it is right forward in the track. Never know till you measure ya board

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There's no way in the world a value like that can be applied across the wide range of boards that we see today. There are too many variables: tail width, footstrap pos, fin pos, sail size, etc etc, the list is endless. I agree with Whyner the further forward you have it the better you can drive your bottom turns. End of the day, board to board there is simply no other way to work it out that trial and error. Start in the middle and play around :P

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Originally posted by Mark _australia

Decrep

Perhaps (I gather u are using more vee than in a traditional wave shape?) increased vee leads to an easier rail to rail transition at the top..... means the board turns off the lip and makes the drop a little bit earlier than you were ready for... and you'll get used to it soon enough?

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Good theory Mark, hope you're right about getting used to it.

Not all that sure about modern production bopards, I'm comparing it to my own older boards, and their "v" is similar.
It's certainly a lot looser than the 2 boards it's replacing, so I've probably never had them in that position. But my high wind board is that loose, and I certainly get that in the same position, (very vertical going up, and coming down).
Maybe I've just got spoilt by my highwind boards ability to pull out of a nosedive, it's got similar rocker to the old wavescalpels, don't think any production boards have that much.

Perhaps I shouldn't be coming down so vertical, might be better to try and project off the lip a little flatter, get some air and float down on the sail. Wonder how long it will take me to work that out!!!!

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Originally posted by elmo

Are you using the 2 bolt chinook base? if so try a single as it will give an extra 2" on rearward movement

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I'll keep that in mind elmo, as soon as I get used to how far back it is now.

Comrade Decrepit
Did the board you are making actually dive of the nose (enough to flicking of you off) or did it just dig in, push out of some water and then sit back on track again ?
As Comrade Mark is saying, this can be common issue when trying of the 'new' modern style board after years of using more traditional shapes yar ?
It is very rare to be able to jumping straight off one style of board onto a new with no adjustment of style or how you ride it. The newer style of board allowing a lot more back foot pressure when sailing (when going off the top on waves) Maybe you trying of this.
Not be too concerned you have made board wrong, must be having more time in water to dial into feel of new board.