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Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
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8 Oct 2006 9:39am
At the WindWanderers we have been looking at how to encourage new blood into the sport over the last few meets.

During yesterdays meet a few of us gathered around the bbq and talked through some ideas.

Lookkc came up wih an idea which i believe to be a winner.

A "Windsurfing Library". So we are now endeavouring to put the idea in place.

what we are looking for is as much secondhand gear as we can find. from wally's through to slalom boards including sails, masts booms extensions etc.

"How it Works"

New comers to the sport and short board beginners borrow the gear from the "library" and use it until they purchase there own gear, decide to borrow something else or a 5 week period expires. if no one else is after the gear then they can borrow the gear again.

The persons that donate the gear to the library remain the owner of the gear. they can request the gear back at anytime and even borrow other gear if they want to try something different.

(an example would be someone who has an old wally but wants to try short board sailing. they could borrow a short board from the library and then lend their wally to the library for someone else to use.)

the conditions would be that the user is expected to carry out any repairs due to damage and look after all gear.
Plus the gear will only be available to members.

The advantages with this idea are that it makes it free for people to enter the sport. allows each individual to go sailing whenever they desire and means that the WindWanderers don't have to buy a trailer to cart all the gear around for people to use at each meet.

that said, we encourage all new comers to get proper lessons before borrowing equipment to make the most of there time.

The idea can also be used for books, dvd's and anythng else that people see fit. The windWanderers will be the librarians as such and help everyone link together to provide the gear. a web page will be set up on the windwanderers site to show what is borrowed and what is available.

To kick the idea off i am offerring the following gear into the library.

1 2000 model 6.2M Naish alana slalom sail
2 2/alloy booms
3 the aloha classic vhs cassette.
4 40cm early 90 speed needle. ()

So if anyone wants to get involved. has some gear out in the back shed that hasn't seen daylight in years or just wants to put something back into the sport then please, please, please help as much as you can. We hope that once we get a pool of gear it will help expand the sport in QLD.

This idea is in it's infancy so if anyone has any other ideas, suggestions etc please don't hesitate to post. we are particularly looking for kids gear as well.
racycoot
racycoot
WA
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8 Oct 2006 10:48am
That's a great idea! I wish you the best of luck!
rosey
rosey
NSW
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8 Oct 2006 1:55pm
great idea, but i think you may find a problem with people putting gear into the library and taking out other gear to try, almost as though people who can already windsurf are just swapping rigs. therefore the gear wouldnt be availible for newbies to borrow...
just a thought! best of luck though hey!
lookkc
lookkc
QLD
69 posts
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8 Oct 2006 9:29pm
Love your community mindedness Gestalt and your passion. Got a 90L Fanatic slalom, couple of booms maybe a sail and bits and pieces put away for you.
hobie14t
hobie14t
QLD
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8 Oct 2006 10:46pm
Hey Gestalt,

I have a tyronsea 380 board with center board which is still undergoing a replacement of the fin box thou.
I only have 1 suitable mast extension and one 1 peice mast which I am willing to donate. I can also round up a boom and sail for it. I have a 6.0 NP Gybe and 6.5 NP V8 Street racer, but nothing very suitable for beginners. I used to use this gear actually as my main kit, it rocketed along in a good bit of wind.

How are you going to organise the library? Photo archive showing all equipment and whats in or out of the library? Does the owner hang on to the gear until someone actually decides thats what they want to borrow? Who shows them how to best rig the gear - the orginal owner or people at a WW meet?

Brilliant idea by the way

I also think if we could organise to produce a video showing beginers and advanced sailors alike on the water and hearing some descriptions etc in face to face type video sequences would be good and then take that to schools to attract teenagers from local schools into the sport would be good? what do you think? They could then perhaps have access to the 'library' etc etc
Gestalt
Gestalt
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10 Oct 2006 7:51pm
hi rosey, good point, i will be making sure that doesn't happen. i expect most of the gear will be pretty old anyway. the idea will be aimed for new comers and people trying to get from longboard to short board.

cheers Lookkc. will ad it to the list. once again. superb idea.....

hi Hobie...

cheers for the offers. will all be put to use eventually. and yes we need to focus on big gear for the beginners. the owners can hang onto the gear until it is needed or if they are keen to clear space we can find somewhere for it to be stored.

i will organise the library as you suggest with photos of the boards and sails. we will help the borrowers by putting together a package for them to use. depending on their experience, and will teach them how to rig etc. we will also provide a list of schools in the area to get them going before they borrow the gear plus let them know the best locations. then we will give them some tips and so forth as they progress.

the main idea is to give whoever a leg up so they can get a taste for the sport. learn the basics. we will have to limit it to familly, friends etc of the WindWanderers so we know the gear won't be stollen etc... but at this stage that is a fairly big circle. i know of at least 5 people that would benefit from the idea right now.

i love the video idea. i think we would need to get a qualified instructor involved to make it legit. i learnt while at school because it was one of our offered sports, along with surfing and cat sailing. so it does work!

i think one of the best things about the idea is that anyone can donate anything, it doesn't need to be a complete rig and board. we can put the pieces together to make a full setup.

someone with a longboard that wants to try shortboarding can borrow a shortboard and use their own rig.


i will also try and organise some One Design gear as well.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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10 Oct 2006 7:52pm
if anyone has anything they think may be of use let us know. could be an old mast. or a board with no rig etc. we can use it all.
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
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10 Oct 2006 7:57pm
awesome idea, I have a few more friends that want to try it out, im sure once they get going they will go buy gear, but its hard to buy kit to learn, to only go and need to buy more stuff in a few weeks/months

I have 2 Hot sails, 5.5 and 6.5m

they both have 5 cams, but ill Look to see if they can be easily removed to make them cam free, at least for learning they may work well.

lmk when you want to collect to add to the library!

md
rosey
rosey
NSW
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10 Oct 2006 10:04pm
sounds awesome guys, best of luck
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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10 Oct 2006 10:04pm
Will you have the internet at this windsurfing library
Will it have cushions in the corner to make my visit more comfy
Do I have to whisper when I am in the winsurfing library
Would I get a fine for overdue gear
Will all the gear be covered in contact
Lfish
Lfish
402 posts
402 posts
11 Oct 2006 3:58am
Got an old mast and some other bits to add
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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11 Oct 2006 2:06pm
Ive got a couple of old Tiga short boards, a 268 Slalom (95L) and a 254 wave.
So is the idea that this stuff is actually deposited in some central location or is it more of an introduction/registration service?
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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11 Oct 2006 1:19pm
Instead of taking your old unwanted sh1t to the tip just chuck it in the windsurfing library
You will have a choice of tiga, tiga or tiga
There will be fibreglass masts which flake fibreglass, sails that dont set right coz they are on sh1tty masts and flexy booms on a plastic board that weighs a ton
What a way to be introduced to windsurfing
Loan a kit, it falls to pieces, breaks and tears and your p1ssed off coz your experience sucked and your stuck with the repair bill
Maybe accept nothing under the year 2000 models
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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11 Oct 2006 11:20pm
I gotta disagree with that generalization. The old heavy Tigas aren't too bad, and they don't break. Flexy booms? what are you on about? 'Bout the only bit of your post that has an element of truth is the bit about the crappy masts. Sails have been good since the early 90s and as long as the mono is ok the sail is most likely gonna work. Modern boards are wider and sure this is better for absolute beginners but the old boards still have a lot to offer an "improver".
I think if you rejected everything older than 6 years you're not gonna get much anyway. God there's plenty of old gear in everyday use out on the bay around here.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
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12 Oct 2006 8:12am
Greenroom- dont cry too much. Mate every region of australia will whinge about others, and there is a really simple answer- dont read em, no one is holding a gun to your head there.

(The Bay) Sounds hardcore hey, yer you're right i mean it only produced 1 multiple world champion.

You are right in some of the things you say though, people will have to be matched to what they want pretty carefully. That said no one has suggested bad gear so far, and as for fibreglass splinters nothing a coat of paint (short term) or resin wont fix. For all the latest high tech gear I use, I have fun getting on a learner board and fooling around on rare occasion. When i do I dont care if the boom flexes etc. The only thing that pisses me off about old gear is those damn UJ's where you jam your toes trying to downhaul with. Maybe it's just i'm not hardcore enough though, I mean i dont wait around till it's 30knots or logo high before I hit the water

And as for learners and new gear making it all easy- I call BS on that to a certain extent, every person i've taught has been up and sailing back and forth within an hour and that includes a couple of small chicks. This was all long before wide boards and skinny masts.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
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12 Oct 2006 11:23am
Good idea, but you singled out gestalt so why didnt you look who made the original post- saves clicking. You have posted in a thread which by you're admission does not apply to you more than the original poster.

Lived at manly hey, did you start windsurfing there? I'm hoping you dont equate the whole of moreton bay to one of it's most sheltered spots. 3 years you must have sailed a lot of boards to make claims about old gear being really crap. I suppose though I owned 20 something differenct boards in my first years.

Oh are you hinting steve is no good in the waves? Yes formula, dont forget one of the top slalom sailors in the world also. Pity in you're time living at manly you didnt get to see him popping forwards in bugger all chop or wind right in front of the wall. But I guess he wasnt charging mast high waves so it matters little.

Awesome, with that attitude you could almost be a wind wanderer . Wind is wind and you cant let it go to waste.

Amazing, at that rate you could be world champion in another 2 years. You dont happen to be friends with a guy called eyeMhardcore are you, you're hardcoredness almost rivals his.

[}:)]
bc
bc
QLD
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bc bc
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12 Oct 2006 12:54pm
guys

Its great that you all want to get new people into the sport but from my experience (been sailing since 1979, in the industry since 81) putting people onto old narrow boards and heavily battend sails slows down the learning curve. I teach at manly every second sunday and we are booked out all the time we use 90cm wide boards with centreboards and 4.0 soft sails . For a cost of $50.00 .
I thinnk we all tend to forget what we went through when we where learning on the older gear. Who is going to show people who get gear through the libary how to rig etc

mkseven
mkseven
QLD
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12 Oct 2006 6:03pm
gee thanks simon support my side of the story You are right, the wider gear makes it easier but most of us learnt on all the old stuff and got along just fine. Maybe the oldschool sailors are just examples of awesome sporting prowess and co-ordination Out of curiosity for the succeess of lessons to providing new sailors how many people do you reckon have continued on from the lessons you've run? Most sailors i've met didnt start via industry lessons.

I dont really understand what this library is supposed to achieve, the progressing sailor is probably better to try something new at a demo day which you already run on some wanderers events. Or is it a stockpile of gear for friends to try windsurfing- in which case you'd be better off having someone experienced running some lessons away from the hecklers.

Maybe making gear available to new sailors has some merit but I think it is missing something- new sailor goes down to sail one day by themself, struggles to tie it all together, has old boom break and gets washed out to sea never being seen again. People that are hooked on a sport are very quick to buy their own gear, thats part of the fun.

Maybe it (wanderers) is the perfect platform for running lessons and keeping people sailing. Most people take something up to give it a try but also fulfill their social needs, from the many lessons i've seen run there isnt a whole lot of meet and greet happening.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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12 Oct 2006 6:17pm
Jeesus Greenroom, I've never read such turgid drivel in my life. What are you on? What ever it is, I wouldn't be making any important decisions, or driving, or even crossing the road til I was well and truly over it if I were you.
racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
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12 Oct 2006 5:06pm
I believe it may be a substance known on the streets as "adrenalin". corros can do that to ya.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
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12 Oct 2006 7:27pm
quote:
Originally posted by racycoot

I believe it may be a substance known on the streets as "adrenalin". corros can do that to ya.



So can cars, sharks and women but there's no need to get elitist about it.
lookkc
lookkc
QLD
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12 Oct 2006 7:28pm
now I understand "chair police"
Gestalt
Gestalt
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12 Oct 2006 9:42pm
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mkseven
mkseven
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12 Oct 2006 10:08pm
Kim Jong Il eat you're heart out. Careful Gestalt you'll get UN sanctions slapped on you soon dropping bombs like that.

I'm so Ronerry...
So ronery...

Gestalt
Gestalt
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12 Oct 2006 10:29pm
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SurfConnect
SurfConnect
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12 Oct 2006 10:30pm
Fantastic idea Gestalt and top marks for your effort and devotion.

If I am not trading I will for sure donate it all to WW. I also have wide boards I teach with, and yes, I am probably the most expensive of all ($150 for 2 hours session), but hey, thats wot RYA instructors charge rofl!

But if you ever get stuck with gear/manpower, I am more than happy to help run a session at a WW meet - totally free mate. Perhaps you should start publicising - free lessons at WW meets? I think WW is an absolutely fantastic idea, though I expect all that you are doing should be done by WQ.

Keep up the good work mate!
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
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12 Oct 2006 11:13pm
i think you are rude!
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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12 Oct 2006 9:22pm
Pardon me.
greenleader
greenleader
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12 Oct 2006 11:23pm
pardons are for gentlemen.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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12 Oct 2006 11:44pm
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mkseven
mkseven
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13 Oct 2006 12:06am
you're numbers are all a bit low there Gestalt I think, BC would remember best.

No doubt WA has awesome conditions but I think it's down the list a bit on being the home grounds for top level aussie sailors- NSW would definately have to be in first place.

errr back on topic
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