Dam71 the prob is some teams only have 2 members some 5+.
The average of 5 members is not the same as for 2 members.
This is the problem at the moment it not a level playing field.
That’s the Idea of picking the best 2 in each division it's a fairer system.
ta vando

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Originally posted by DAM71

Having the top 2 sailors results will not make the event more inclusive, if anything it will do the opposite. If slow guys are sailing on the same day as the fast ones they simply will not post. And when they do post on other days it will not count towards the team score anyway.

If you truly want to make it a team based challenge then the rules / scoring must change to reflect this.

Some options may be
- more members sailing for results to count on any day
- each member only able to contribute once per month, with all members having to contribute.
- all members must contribute for the month with the placings determined by an average of all results for the month per category.

As you may have gathered I'm all for the TEAM component of this challenge - it is unique, and to make the potential modifications will just water down the concept - in my opinion.

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Shotgun an email out to all competitors asking the question.

Give 2 weeks for replies.

Make a decision based on majoritory rule.

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Originally posted by Gestalt

so what we are saying is that TEAMSEQ actually won the may part of the challenge??????

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Works for me

yes, i am bored. got a holiday soon, hope it howls....

oh yeah.....


nah nah vando, we won......[}:)] (_o_)

Hi vando - i agree that the playing field is not level, but that is sport in general, trying to level it for all is impossible, and somebody will always be disadvantaged. So far to date the teams with 2 participants are having more trouble posting a result due to the difficulties in sailing on the same day.

So why not have all sailors results from all sessions count towards a team average. Award bonus points for the ultimate leader in each category if you like. At least we will see a true team score. As nebbian is now aware of team competitors are not posting for fear of reducing a teams average for a particular day.

Make the average over the month and if there was a time window say 48 hours for them to post their data from the date they recorded it, and there was a stipulation that all members will be counted (thus no posting = max points per category, them it is in the best interest for each competitor to log their data - as you cannot predict if you will get out again in the month.

Nebbian - i realise that the best 2 results per category are selected - generally however the best sailors are doing those times across the board. Because all apart from the total distance, the categories require good speed and gybing skills. I don't know too many guys who will go out to sail as far as they can and not try to stay involved with their mates. Take wello last weekend - you were there i recognised your board from seabreeze, all the sailors were within a couple of hundred metres of each other.

The only people that i would see that oppose a full team involvement are those that have very good sailors and ordinary ones. If people truly are in this for the enjoyment then why not make all results count? Or are our competitive sides taking over and it is win at all costs[}:)]

Geez, who wants to buy this?
www.fusedworld.com/
I think the spirit of the challenge was to be as inclusive as possible.
Last time we sailed with Hardie on the strip (No constant wind, just a few good gusty periods), we had to share a GPS. My session was between gusts and I only planed a couple of times, and did not get a good chance to post a decent speed. Richi grabbed the GPS took off and about 2 mins later the gust of the day came through and he clocked the fastest speed for the day.
If you check our results, all those that sailed entered their results. We should have pulled mine as it would have boosted us well up the positions, but in keeping with the team spirit, they all went in.
K.I.S.S should still be the mantra. If you want to "skew" your results to benefit your team, that's fine, but the karma payback could be a big one.
My 2 cents

No change.
We entered into this "team" challenge, agreeing to the comp rules.
When you started the team, you got your mates to get involved.
Hardie should be congratulated for the idea cause it's not for sheep stations.
Should have had a rule:-
Go sailing with your mates, use a GPS and get the team out there. Log everyone's results and have fun.

Teams that are having a serious stab at the comp have members that are very competent speed sailors. If they are being really serious, then using everyone's results proves they are the best team.
As mentioned before, karma can bite you on the @rse, it aint fun.

Top 2 results sounds good to me, if I am one of the top two, great, if not I am not affecting the score and will try harder next time to get in the top two. The fact that if I go out in marginal conditions and get low times won't affect team members who may have had a better day elsewhere is a good aspect of this method. Basically what I hope to get out of this challenge is increased speed and ability and to share it with other sailors, oh yeah and a chance to win goodies just for registering.

So what the verdict Hardie nay or yay to top 2 speed/dist in each div.

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Originally posted by vando

So what the verdict Hardie nay or yay to top 2 speed/dist in each div.

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At this stage the arguments favour trialling it for 2 months. However consultation is about having something out there for a significant period of time so that enough come across it, and have a say. To date still less than 20 out of 127 competitors have commented. Lets wait for more comments, it won't start till 1st of July anyway. But it is the strongest argument so far.

YES lets give it a try. As this is a non sheep stations comp anyway, we need to be open to all ideas.

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Originally posted by Crash Landing

I haven't read all of this post (sorry) but i'm just about to post my scores for a session, where 2 team mates have already posted. My scores will actually lower our average so it doesn't make a lot of sense inputting them.

Is this what the topic of this post is trying to address?

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Yes

Hey guys,

Great competition. It would help to have come wind though. I think it is a great idea and would work well. It will give more team competition and will allow everyone to post without thinking it will affect the team.

Good winds to everyone.

Cheers,

Carl Macdonald.

I like the whole team thing. If ya sail you post.Its also another reason to go for a sail and there,s not a sheep station in sight....Now who,s got all my wind?? i,m sick of talking about it.I Want to sail NOW!

Consider this scenario:

Sailors 1 and 2 have a good session, clock up some reasonable speeds, and good distance.

Sailor 3 goes out at his local. He is testing fins and booms, so only sails for 10 km, but gets a good alpha.

Under the current system, sailor 3 will be hesitant to post because by doing so he will drag his team down. It would be better for him not to post at all.

Under the proposed new system, there's never any doubt: you're always better off by posting your times. It might improve your teams score, or it might not, but it will never hurt your teams score.