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Greenroom
Greenroom
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21 Nov 2007 10:42pm
The Howard governments campaign is reminiscent of medieval times when the hierarchy maintained power with fear and superstition.
The ads on TV are misrepresentation of the Labor candidates. All union members are presented as rock apes and the union contribution to Australia over the past century is ignored. The government also denies the ability of a Labor party government to handle our economy and predicts even higher interest rates.
I'm not an uneducated person I like to think. Wasn't it John Howard the treasurer who had interest rates of 22 per cent?
Howard and Costello (sounds like a comedy duo) take credit for our current low unemployment and generally high living standard. Yet even the village idiot would find it hard to destroy our economy at present with the record level of trade and demand for workers. And we can expect another 10 years of prosperity despite Costello's desperate prediction of an economic tsunami.
Howard's government is stale and has neglected training for the workforce, so we are faced with a drought of skilled workers and have to import labour from overseas.
And Howard's first consideration is not the welfare of the Australian people. If it were all his election pork-barreling promises would long since be in place and be helping Australians.
He has a desperate personal need to maintain power and prove that he is relevant. He will use and mislead the Australian people to the end.
Power corrupts. I believe that power has turned Howard into a cynical, self serving man for whom truth can be bent if it achieves re-election.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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21 Nov 2007 10:53pm
Sheezus Greenie, we all know you are retardLabor supporter. Were getting bombarded with the political crap on TV we dont need it here
Greenroom
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21 Nov 2007 11:00pm
Sorry Grumps Truth hurts doesnt it
Just in case you missed it the first time
The Howard governments campaign is reminiscent of medieval times when the hierarchy maintained power with fear and superstition.
The ads on TV are misrepresentation of the Labor candidates. All union members are presented as rock apes and the union contribution to Australia over the past century is ignored. The government also denies the ability of a Labor party government to handle our economy and predicts even higher interest rates.
I'm not an uneducated person I like to think. Wasn't it John Howard the treasurer who had interest rates of 22 per cent?
Howard and Costello (sounds like a comedy duo) take credit for our current low unemployment and generally high living standard. Yet even the village idiot would find it hard to destroy our economy at present with the record level of trade and demand for workers. And we can expect another 10 years of prosperity despite Costello's desperate prediction of an economic tsunami.
Howard's government is stale and has neglected training for the workforce, so we are faced with a drought of skilled workers and have to import labour from overseas.
And Howard's first consideration is not the welfare of the Australian people. If it were all his election pork-barreling promises would long since be in place and be helping Australians.
He has a desperate personal need to maintain power and prove that he is relevant. He will use and mislead the Australian people to the end.
Power corrupts. I believe that power has turned Howard into a cynical, self serving man for whom truth can be bent if it achieves re-election.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:07pm
if its anything like the labor party at state level its a bad option
elmo
elmo
WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:13pm
I'm sorry Greeny,

you're a good bloke and all,

but you can stick your political tirades fair square up ya clacker
swoosh
swoosh
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1929 posts
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22 Nov 2007 12:20am
Both sides are using scare tactics so I guess it depends on which sides scare tactics you aren't falling for.

Theres the Howard "ZOMG all dem guyz on dat labor side are union dudez who gonna cramp ur stylez"

Then you got the Rudd "WHOA DUDEZ, wuts with this workchoices crampin ur stylez!"

Who you gonna fall for?

BTW, some optimisim please! The lack of skilled workers thing is kinda funny in my opinion, considering unemployment is low, maybe the problem is just too many jobs, and not enough population :o

End of the day, seems like much of the same from both sides. I find it amusing that Rudd doesn't make any promises, because well, then he doesn't have any to fufill, and wtf is up with Howard, why run if you gonna retire? or is he? But tbh, Howards done a pretty good job with the economy, its probably been easier to make money investing these last few years then years previous. Thou can you thank them for it, or China for kicking off the mining boom.

Who knows, anyway go vote, pretty sure the fine is like $150 if you forget!

Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:20pm
elmo said...

I'm sorry Greeny,

you're a good bloke and all,

but you can stick your political tirades fair square up ya clacker

No offence taken
I find this serious stuff... and interesting. I like politics.
This is the week to decide on the future government that will be looking after you, your kids, their kids and so on.
Just in case you missed it the second time Elmo
The Howard governments campaign is reminiscent of medieval times when the hierarchy maintained power with fear and superstition.
The ads on TV are misrepresentation of the Labor candidates. All union members are presented as rock apes and the union contribution to Australia over the past century is ignored. The government also denies the ability of a Labor party government to handle our economy and predicts even higher interest rates.
I'm not an uneducated person I like to think. Wasn't it John Howard the treasurer who had interest rates of 22 per cent?
Howard and Costello (sounds like a comedy duo) take credit for our current low unemployment and generally high living standard. Yet even the village idiot would find it hard to destroy our economy at present with the record level of trade and demand for workers. And we can expect another 10 years of prosperity despite Costello's desperate prediction of an economic tsunami.
Howard's government is stale and has neglected training for the workforce, so we are faced with a drought of skilled workers and have to import labour from overseas.
And Howard's first consideration is not the welfare of the Australian people. If it were all his election pork-barreling promises would long since be in place and be helping Australians.
He has a desperate personal need to maintain power and prove that he is relevant. He will use and mislead the Australian people to the end.
Power corrupts. I believe that power has turned Howard into a cynical, self serving man for whom truth can be bent if it achieves re-election.


Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
21 Nov 2007 11:23pm
I wouldnt vote for either of them. They are all the same, and become amazed at their power. Lying pricks if you ask me. Lucky i cant vote, maybe when that time comes someone decent would be able to get in.
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
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22 Nov 2007 12:24am
Dawn Patrol said...

I wouldnt vote for either of them. They are all the same, and become amazed at their power. Lying pricks if you ask me. Lucky i cant vote, maybe when that time comes someone decent would be able to get in.


You're right. Anyone with any talent is making 10x more working for a private company.

Its a thankless and ****ty job. Pays pretty crappy considering what you gotta do, and end of the day, half the country is gonna hate you no matter what you do.




TonyC
TonyC
WA
410 posts
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21 Nov 2007 11:26pm
Sorry Greeny - but it just ain't worth the risk of changing governments when the economy is going strong. Stick with Liberal government and we know the economy will continue on this boom as it is. Change to Labor and this is a downside risk - not worth the risk. Personally I think both parties are corrupt morons with their snouts to the trough. I do remember very high interest rates - if that were to happen again now it would cripple very many people - all we need is an increased general wages blowout and the accompanying inefficiencies a Labor win would bring via the unions.
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:27pm
I like your style Swoosh. Can I vote for you?
Yeah just vote and we shall see what the future holds wether it be a Liberal government or Labor government.
After all it doesnt matter what government we have as long as we are free to go windsurfing when ever the hell we want

big gill
big gill
WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:32pm
i have had enough of this flamin election, gone on long enough decide a winner and move on
Greenroom
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21 Nov 2007 11:33pm
TonyC said...

Sorry Greeny

Dont be sorry... we live in Australia and we are free to do, say and believe what we want.

KEVIN07



swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
22 Nov 2007 12:35am
Greenroom: I promise 20kt+ days everyday of the year if I ever get elected!

I'll put up them windfarms, and on the days its not windy, I'll run them in reverse so they like super fans!



greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
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22 Nov 2007 12:45am
greenroom, you should take up an extra sport.

one that doesn't involve typing propoganda for enormous groups of people promising to care for you personally! wake up, politics is ego driven, they are the rock stars of nerdom, let gullibillity take its course, you are not the thanked messiah of their cause, they will never know you exist.

back to the elevator music.
Greenroom
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22 Nov 2007 12:00am
And thats your opinion green brother from another green mother
greenleader
greenleader
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22 Nov 2007 1:07am
collective hugs

wheres cheryl kernod? she was my english teacher in grade 9. QUITTER
JESUS
JESUS
WA
150 posts
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22 Nov 2007 12:49am
22% Now thats an exageration Mine went up to 18% back then is this your scare tactics Greenroom!
Why do you think we have it so good now, because China is buying our produce. Now why is that. Well it is because we are a reliable source and why is that. Well Greenroom it's because the Liberal govt has managed to squash down the unions who hold the country to ransom, Chinas not going to buy from a country that all of a sudden cant supply them as the unions have stopped work and called a strike. It's the current govt that has managed to show the world we a a reliable country to trade and deal with. Theres plenty of other countries out there with raw produce for China. So you can thank the current Govt and their polices for our wealth and for the increase in value for your house if you are buying one. I'm not happy Howard has lied to us about not increasing interest rates and then the banks increasing them. But I am enjoying my current standard of living right now.
Unions do a great job looking after workers but they get a bit carried away and greedy. A lot of people get paid good money to lean on a shovel yet if you worked for yourself you'd get paid good money but you'd actually be digging with your shovel. Whats wrong with getting paid appropriately for you productivity!
Do you vote Labour because your parents did ?
fatwa
fatwa
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22 Nov 2007 3:26am
FilthyAmatuer
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WA
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22 Nov 2007 1:34am
JESUS said...

22% Now thats an exageration Mine went up to 18% back then is this your scare tactics Greenroom!
Why do you think we have it so good now, because China is buying our produce. Now why is that. Well it is because we are a reliable source and why is that. Well Greenroom it's because the Liberal govt has managed to squash down the unions who hold the country to ransom, Chinas not going to buy from a country that all of a sudden cant supply them as the unions have stopped work and called a strike. It's the current govt that has managed to show the world we a a reliable country to trade and deal with. Theres plenty of other countries out there with raw produce for China. So you can thank the current Govt and their polices for our wealth and for the increase in value for your house if you are buying one. I'm not happy Howard has lied to us about not increasing interest rates and then the banks increasing them. But I am enjoying my current standard of living right now.
Unions do a great job looking after workers but they get a bit carried away and greedy. A lot of people get paid good money to lean on a shovel yet if you worked for yourself you'd get paid good money but you'd actually be digging with your shovel. Whats wrong with getting paid appropriately for you productivity!
Do you vote Labour because your parents did ?



Political Agendas aside

China will buy from anyone. Period.

They dont give a rats behind where it comes from or what the government is like, they are even looking at trying to secure supplies in Africa. They cant get enough of the stuff.
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1419 posts
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22 Nov 2007 10:27am
Did anyone else see the Southpark episode last week.
You get a choice...
Between a big douche and a turd sandwich
I found it quite amusing. Too close to the truth I think.
And I'm with Grumps, it's a Windsport forum. If you want to preach politics, go somewhere else
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
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22 Nov 2007 10:38am
i'll vote for anyone who will grow some balls and tell the usa,china and especially Japan to go forth and multiply.......
Mark _australia
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WA
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22 Nov 2007 10:53am
swoosh said...



Theres the Howard "ZOMG all dem guyz on dat labor side are union dudez who gonna cramp ur stylez"

Then you got the Rudd "WHOA DUDEZ, wuts with this workchoices crampin ur stylez!"




guess you wish you could vote by SMS huh
Gybesports
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NSW
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22 Nov 2007 1:12pm
Very dissapointed to see politics on this forum
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Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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22 Nov 2007 11:16am
RRRRAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!
vote dp.
Leech
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22 Nov 2007 11:21am
Gybesports said...

Very dissapointed to see politics on this forum
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freedom of speech, baby. if you don't like it, don't read it.

I like reading it so I can give my mate Greenroom the big thumbs down
elmo
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22 Nov 2007 11:23am
Ok Greeny

I can remember back a few years as I was working when you were still at school when:


  • The Libs introduced HECS, Oh sorry that was the Labour party party because people going to uni and Tafe earn't to much afterwards, I think last I heard the current national HECS dept is $13 Billion. www.abc.net.au/news/2007-01-17/students-rack-up-13b-hecs-debt/2174366

  • The Libs introduced "Means testing" of retries and people on social security because pensioners where too damn rich, Oh sorry that was the Labour party too I watched my in laws have to jump through hoops when they had to jump through hoops to get a pension when they had to retire and move down to Perth due to Ill health.

  • The 17.5% interest I had to pay on my first home which a year early had doubled in price (Thanks Bob and Paul)

  • "The night of the long knives" in the recession "we had to have" being in a constant panic each night as to whether I would be keeping my job or whether the company I was working for would shut up shop.

  • My father having a union threaten to sue him for not paying his union fees 2 years after his union abandoned him when the company he worked for for 20 years closed. The ultimate irony is he was a union shop steward for 15 years.

  • Petrol prices doubled, under Bob and Paul (look up the stats)



In looking at your scare tacticts

Greenroom said...

I'm not an uneducated person I like to think. Wasn't it John Howard the treasurer who had interest rates of 22 per cent?


Well Greeny, I'm afraid you are uneducated in this regard. please look and learn...

Taken from www.abilityfinance.com.au/home_loan_interest_rate_history.htm
Just for those selective memories (greeny) Prime Ministers Bob Hawke 1983-1991 Paul Keating 1991-1996 do you see that big hump on the graph???????


Greenroom said...

The Howard governments campaign is reminiscent of medieval times when the hierarchy maintained power with fear and superstition.
The ads on TV are misrepresentation of the Labor candidates.


And your point is that Labour does not do this??? Bollocks! Last election Labour said exactly the same things, JH retiring PC taking over, interest rates going through the roof (must have had a flash back to the good old labour days) new labour laws going to lead to record unemployment.
My favourite is from the Greatest Prime Minister we ever had (according to him) about how bad the GST was going to be, Oh woe is all of us we are all going to be taxed to death because of it and him being super smug about winning the unwinable election because of it.
Well guess what we have the GST It's 10% and low and behold we aren't being taxed to death because of it!
It's better than the convoluted Sales tax system we had with PK @20%, its better than the convoluted sales tax system we had with BH & PK @17.5% (oooooo was there a tax increase under labour.... never) it's even better than the convoluted sales tax system we had when I started out in sales of 15%.


Greenroom said...


Howard and Costello (sounds like a comedy duo) take credit for our current low unemployment and generally high living standard.

Who would you give the credit to then????
Sure china is booming but there are a hell of a lot of countries which aren't.


Greenroom said...


Yet even the village idiot would find it hard to destroy our economy at present with the record level of trade and demand for workers.

And you want us to vote for him

Greenroom said...


Howard's government is stale and has neglected training for the workforce, so we are faced with a drought of skilled workers and have to import labour from overseas.


Go back to school and read up on Australian history, you will find we have gone down this path before having to import people.

The Labour parties main platform is a copy of Gough's and based solely on "It's time for a change" the Premise that the libs have been in power for to long.

Back in the real world there is a thing called substance.


And Greeny

Do you want to know the ultimate irony about all of this?

I don't even vote liberal!
but up until BH and PK I used to always vote Labour until they bent the Australian worker over and screwed them over right royaly.
stribo
stribo
QLD
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22 Nov 2007 12:23pm
Should we start a discussion about religion now?
elmo
elmo
WA
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22 Nov 2007 11:27am
stribo said...

Should we start a discussion about religion now?


Don't start me on Religious Political parties

I take great pleasure in filling each number on the senate form just so I can put them last
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
22 Nov 2007 11:33am
There are religous parties. Wtf. That would be a scary outcome.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
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22 Nov 2007 1:47pm
I like your style elmo. Backing up your comments with fact, and not 'cut'n'pasting' a load of propaganda over and over, (sorry greenroom, don't know you, but you seem passionate, good onya for that!)

Anyways, you seem to be doing alright under the lib gov't greenroom!

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