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Kamikuza
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5 Jan 2020 10:49PM
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FlySurfer said..
Iranians been bitch slapped for the past 70 years, aint nothing gona change until they prove they can split atoms.
What the US did was an act of war in a land they have no business.


I think the US does plenty of business in Iraq...

tangohotel
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6 Jan 2020 4:08AM
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And the Iranian war lord was just over in Iraq checking his rental properties? The middle east is a mess, has been a mess for hundreds (thousands) of years and will remain so. Iraq is divided along religious lines. They all believe in the same thing but in slightly different ways so, kill each other. Yay religion!

TH...

japie
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6 Jan 2020 9:16AM
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I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?

holy guacamole
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6 Jan 2020 10:48AM
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japie said..I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

American War Lord..same god, different suit. Directly responsible for the lies and frauds that led to tens of thousands of deaths.

oldtelefart
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6 Jan 2020 11:19AM
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Iran's retaliation will be awful.

They are going to plant a sleeper agent in the kitchen of the McDonalds nearest the White House.

Donnie is about to get the world's worst-ever case of the running s***s, until eventually his colon pops out and strangles him.

Kamikuza
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6 Jan 2020 1:34PM
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I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?


You think transnational invasion is the definition of warlord? Interesting.

Macroscien
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6 Jan 2020 1:42PM
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Kamikuza said..



You think transnational invasion is the definition of warlord? Interesting.



So very interesting will be to know what is your definition of " transnational invasion" ?
peacekeeping operation?
ensuring stability and safety?
There was time , not long ago that Iraquies didn't welcome Iranian troops or advisors on their soil.What then did changed since then?

Kamikuza
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6 Jan 2020 2:25PM
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Macroscien said..






Kamikuza said..





You think transnational invasion is the definition of warlord? Interesting.





So very interesting will be to know what is your definition of " transnational invasion" ?
peacekeeping operation?
ensuring stability and safety?
There was time , not long ago that Iraquies didn't welcome Iranian troops or advisors on their soil.What then did changed since then?



"invading another country" as the definition of warlord is a redefine outside of commonly use of the term "warlord".

That is a good question though. Could be related to the aid he gave Syria i maintaining the regime... Or the version of Islam each country practises. Can't have those other Muslims getting the upper hand.

Macroscien
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6 Jan 2020 2:37PM
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gave Syria i maintaining the regime..

We don't really know if the place with actual leader from Syria removed, and left headless like Libya will be any safer. Don't we ?

japie
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6 Jan 2020 3:45PM
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Kamikuza said..

japie said..
I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?



You think transnational invasion is the definition of warlord? Interesting.


I didn't pin that label on him.

That was the responsibility of the main stream narrative managers.

I think transnational invasion is indicative of a profoundly sick society.

it's acceptance by people worldwide is indicative of populations which have been thoroughly propagandized.

it is all almost completely a collection of elaborate lies.

tangohotel
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6 Jan 2020 2:26PM
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japie said..
I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?


He has an interesting resumee. So yes, I think that is an appropriate term. Don't know that invading a country is a pre-requisite for being a warlord. Training insurgents to build IED's to blow up other people, Heading up a force called the Quds (which translates to Jerusalem because they consider it there destiny to occupy/reclaim it, at the expense of the Jews who are there now I would think?), providing support to Assad's regime which has killed thousands of civilians....Yeah, warlord would fit! What would you call him? Anyway, terminology is really semantics. Trump killed him on Iraqi soil. The poo will hit the fan eventually. We will pay more for fuel and therefor, everything else... etc...etc... Call him what you want. He won't mind!

TH....

FlySurfer
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6 Jan 2020 5:40PM
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And the Iranian war lord was just over in Iraq checking his rental properties? The middle east is a mess, has been a mess for hundreds (thousands) of years and will remain so. Iraq is divided along religious lines. They all believe in the same thing but in slightly different ways so, kill each other. Yay religion!

TH...


You must learn your history from Channel 7's Today Tonight.
Seriously how can you be so ignorant, living in a conquered land? Something from a documentary or encyclopedia must have filtered in.
Iraq like Australia was created by the brits, that's the reason for the mess.
Learn some history, it may help you understand what, why and when things happen in the world.

The US just killed the equivalent of Michael McCormack while visiting New Zealand.

Seacht
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6 Jan 2020 5:03PM
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Excellent article, from a few year ago. lot of backstory on Suleimani, his work alongside he Americans in the 80's and his triumph at forcing a embarrassing withdrawal of American troops from Iraq in 2013 , this is what the Americans killed him for. They were scared of him.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander

warwickl
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6 Jan 2020 8:55PM
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What does one call a person/s in Australia that with no technology wipes out and causes horendous damage to property and life?
What should the punishment be?

Seacht
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6 Jan 2020 6:05PM
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warwickl said..
What does one call a person/s in Australia that with no technology wipes out and causes horendous damage to property and life?
What should the punishment be?



Well if they did it in defense of the country they would be a hero.
If they did this no technology damage thing against state and people they would be labelled a terrorist, like the Australian who did the shooting in Christchurch.

whats your point?

tangohotel
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6 Jan 2020 6:38PM
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FlySurfer said..

tangohotel said..
And the Iranian war lord was just over in Iraq checking his rental properties? The middle east is a mess, has been a mess for hundreds (thousands) of years and will remain so. Iraq is divided along religious lines. They all believe in the same thing but in slightly different ways so, kill each other. Yay religion!

TH...



You must learn your history from Channel 7's Today Tonight.
Seriously how can you be so ignorant, living in a conquered land? Something from a documentary or encyclopedia must have filtered in.
Iraq like Australia was created by the brits, that's the reason for the mess.
Learn some history, it may help you understand what, why and when things happen in the world.

The US just killed the equivalent of Michael McCormack while visiting New Zealand.


Host - "And our next contestant is Fly Surfer. For $100,000 Fly Surfer, how did Iraq come into existence?"
FS - I know, I know! It created by Britain! It was created by Britain! I told you I am a clever bugger! See how smart I am!!!
Host - I'm sorry Fly Surfer but you are wrong. After World War I, Great Britain was given control of the region as a mandate of the League of Nations (the forerunner of today's United Nations, or UN). The mandate period lasted from 1920 to 1932, when Iraq became an independent constitutional monarchy under King Faisal I.
FS - No, no. It was created by the Brits! It was the Brits I tell you!
Host - Sorry Fly Surfer. It was the league of Nations which comprised the following members.
ARGENTINA, AUSTRALIA, BELGIUM, BOLIVIA, BRAZIL, CANADA, CHILE, CHINA, COLOMBIA, CUBA, CZECHOSLOVAKIA, DENMARK, EL SALVADOR, FRANCE, GREECE, GUATEMALA, HAITI, HONDURAS, INDIA, ITALY, JAPAN, LIBERIA, NETHERLANDS, NEW ZEALAND NICARAGUA, NORWAY, PANAMA, PARAGUAY, PERSIA, PERU POLAND, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, SIAM, SPAIN, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, SOUTH AFRICA, UNITED KINGDOM, URUGUAY VENEZUELA, YUGOSLAVIA.
But as a consolation prize we will keep your identity secret to save you from embarrassment!

worldatwar.net/timeline/other/league18-46.html

I agree what he did was wrong. No where did I say that it wasn't? Really don't understand why you would come after me for that post? Me? Ignorant?

And if you think the middle east became a mess because of that then you are a total galoot! Truly! And so is everyone who green thumbed you! Lol...

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japie
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6 Jan 2020 9:56PM
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japie said..
I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?


He has an interesting resumee. So yes, I think that is an appropriate term. Don't know that invading a country is a pre-requisite for being a warlord. Training insurgents to build IED's to blow up other people, Heading up a force called the Quds (which translates to Jerusalem because they consider it there destiny to occupy/reclaim it, at the expense of the Jews who are there now I would think?), providing support to Assad's regime which has killed thousands of civilians....Yeah, warlord would fit! What would you call him? Anyway, terminology is really semantics. Trump killed him on Iraqi soil. The poo will hit the fan eventually. We will pay more for fuel and therefor, everything else... etc...etc... Call him what you want. He won't mind!

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He had an interesting resume which was created by the narrative managers.

Who have a long long history of making up stories in order to justify military action.

There is not much you can add to that.

We have over a century of history where the United States has justified military action on the basis of lies.

Let that sink in.

They are consummate liars.

cisco
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6 Jan 2020 9:29PM
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They are consummate liars.


As are the Arabs.

They do not care if humanity is wiped out. The reason being that from the cradle they are taught to focus on the notion of the afterlife where they get their 72 virgins etc,etc.

They don't know how to enjoy this life so in the alleged afterlife they will fail too.

Why did man invent religion??

Macroscien
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6 Jan 2020 9:40PM
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japie said...
They are consummate liars.




As are the Arabs.

They do not care if humanity is wiped out. The reason being that from the cradle they are taught to focus on the notion of the afterlife where they get their 72 virgins etc,etc.

They don't know how to enjoy this life so in the alleged afterlife they will fail too.

Why did man invent religion??






time to switch to Bitcoin

tangohotel
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7 Jan 2020 3:40AM
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tangohotel said..
And the Iranian war lord was just over in Iraq checking his rental properties? The middle east is a mess, has been a mess for hundreds (thousands) of years and will remain so. Iraq is divided along religious lines. They all believe in the same thing but in slightly different ways so, kill each other. Yay religion!

TH...



You must learn your history from Channel 7's Today Tonight.
Seriously how can you be so ignorant, living in a conquered land? Something from a documentary or encyclopedia must have filtered in.
Iraq like Australia was created by the brits, that's the reason for the mess.
Learn some history, it may help you understand what, why and when things happen in the world.

The US just killed the equivalent of Michael McCormack while visiting New Zealand.


No they didn't...

Host - "And our next contestant is Fly Surfer. For $100,000 Fly Surfer, how did Iraq come into existence?"
FS - I know, I know! It created by Britain! It was created by Britain! I told you I am a clever bugger! See how smart I am!!!
Host - I'm sorry Fly Surfer but you are wrong. After World War I, Great Britain was given control of the region as a mandate of the League of Nations (the forerunner of today's United Nations, or UN). The mandate period lasted from 1920 to 1932, when Iraq became an independent constitutional monarchy under King Faisal I.
FS - No, no. It was created by the Brits! It was the Brits I tell you!
Host - Sorry Fly Surfer. It was the league of Nations which comprised the following members.
ARGENTINA, AUSTRALIA, BELGIUM, BOLIVIA, BRAZIL, CANADA, CHILE, CHINA, COLOMBIA, CUBA, CZECHOSLOVAKIA, DENMARK, EL SALVADOR, FRANCE, GREECE, GUATEMALA, HAITI, HONDURAS, INDIA, ITALY, JAPAN, LIBERIA, NETHERLANDS, NEW ZEALAND NICARAGUA, NORWAY, PANAMA, PARAGUAY, PERSIA, PERU POLAND, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, SIAM, SPAIN, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, SOUTH AFRICA, UNITED KINGDOM, URUGUAY VENEZUELA, YUGOSLAVIA.
But as a consolation prize we will keep your identity secret to save you from embarrassment!

worldatwar.net/timeline/other/league18-46.html

I agree what he did was wrong. No where did I say that it wasn't? Really don't understand why you would come after me for that post? Me? Ignorant?

And if you think the middle east became a mess because of that then you are a total galoot! Truly! And so is everyone who green thumbed you! Lol...

tangohotel
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7 Jan 2020 3:47AM
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tangohotel said..

japie said..
I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?



He has an interesting resumee. So yes, I think that is an appropriate term. Don't know that invading a country is a pre-requisite for being a warlord. Training insurgents to build IED's to blow up other people, Heading up a force called the Quds (which translates to Jerusalem because they consider it there destiny to occupy/reclaim it, at the expense of the Jews who are there now I would think?), providing support to Assad's regime which has killed thousands of civilians....Yeah, warlord would fit! What would you call him? Anyway, terminology is really semantics. Trump killed him on Iraqi soil. The poo will hit the fan eventually. We will pay more for fuel and therefor, everything else... etc...etc... Call him what you want. He won't mind!

TH....



He had an interesting resume which was created by the narrative managers.

Who have a long long history of making up stories in order to justify military action.

There is not much you can add to that.

We have over a century of history where the United States has justified military action on the basis of lies.

Let that sink in.

They are consummate liars.


I can't believe you are an apologist for Iran? I don't agree with what Trump did. It is a dangerous move for the world. You said you love it, love it! Nice, champ, not enough love in the world! Your issue was with my terminology which was entirely appropriate. His military career is well documented, not just by the Americans. I just can't believe that there are people on here who are apologists for the Iranian regime? I'm sure they could arrange visas for you all if you want to go and live in such a pure and righteous place. Go on, you won't be missed. They have the internet there so you can still post worthless drivel on the net (if they allow you access!!)...

TH...

holy guacamole
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7 Jan 2020 4:28AM
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HG: Today, Iran is a bit of a hell hole. To understand how this came about, we need to go back to the 1953 coup instigated by the BRITS to overthrow Iran's democratic government. Iran was planning to nationalise its oil industry, but the BRITS and US wouldn't stand for this so they forcibly took control of Iran's oil resources through the coup....

TH:

HG: The BRITS, with the help of the CIA and Iranian mobsters then installed the puppet dictator and Shah to mind their new assets and ensure a steady flow of oil on their terms. So the BRITS aren't so innocent are they?

TH:

HG: When the Iranian people got jack of the UK/US installed puppet dictator, they revolted. Unfortunately, the coup and it's replacement government radicalised the population into a frenzied desperate mob that turned to fundamentalist Islamic leaders for salvation from the hell that the coup created and, here we are today.

TH:

HG: So if it wasn't for the UK/US coup, Iran would probably still be democratic and likely very prosperous today , since Iran was planning in 1953 to kick out the corrupt UK/US oil barons and nationalise its oil industry, just as Norway did. Norway now has the world's richest sovereign wealth fund....go figure.

TH: Yeah I see your point. Thanks HG.

Main
QLD, 1684 posts
7 Jan 2020 8:20AM
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tangohotel said..

japie said..


tangohotel said..


japie said..
I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?




He has an interesting resumee. So yes, I think that is an appropriate term. Don't know that invading a country is a pre-requisite for being a warlord. Training insurgents to build IED's to blow up other people, Heading up a force called the Quds (which translates to Jerusalem because they consider it there destiny to occupy/reclaim it, at the expense of the Jews who are there now I would think?), providing support to Assad's regime which has killed thousands of civilians....Yeah, warlord would fit! What would you call him? Anyway, terminology is really semantics. Trump killed him on Iraqi soil. The poo will hit the fan eventually. We will pay more for fuel and therefor, everything else... etc...etc... Call him what you want. He won't mind!

TH....




He had an interesting resume which was created by the narrative managers.

Who have a long long history of making up stories in order to justify military action.

There is not much you can add to that.

We have over a century of history where the United States has justified military action on the basis of lies.

Let that sink in.

They are consummate liars.



I can't believe you are an apologist for Iran? I don't agree with what Trump did. It is a dangerous move for the world. You said you love it, love it! Nice, champ, not enough love in the world! Your issue was with my terminology which was entirely appropriate. His military career is well documented, not just by the Americans. I just can't believe that there are people on here who are apologists for the Iranian regime? I'm sure they could arrange visas for you all if you want to go and live in such a pure and righteous place. Go on, you won't be missed. They have the internet there so you can still post worthless drivel on the net (if they allow you access!!)...

TH...


A cynical view of US motives hardly makes someone an Iranian apologist.
The US has been in perpetual wars for decades if not directly certainly by proxy. The US operates like a business not a country - and if someone threatens the business they get taken out. Does anyone really think they are in the middle east for any other reason than oil....?

There's no way Trump would've dreamed up this plan on his own, it's the opposite of what he would have wanted politically - his administration and the Washington establishment would have put it to him as a "no option" course of action the details of which we will probably not find out for months.

The US establishment has been itching for war with Iran for years - why wouldn't they ? its great for business. Whats with all the feigned outrage and moral disapproval ??!!? the US has been playing dirty games against dirty opponents for decades.

Where was the outrage when Obama bombed the Libyan army that led to the killing of Qadaffi and ultimately a failed state with god knows how many thousands of civilian deaths..... The outrage on these forums always seems to be so very selective

japie
NSW, 5539 posts
7 Jan 2020 10:27AM
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tangohotel said..

japie said..


tangohotel said..


japie said..
I love it. Absolutely love it. Iranian War Lord.

Could you tell me when it was that Iran last invaded a country?




He has an interesting resumee. So yes, I think that is an appropriate term. Don't know that invading a country is a pre-requisite for being a warlord. Training insurgents to build IED's to blow up other people, Heading up a force called the Quds (which translates to Jerusalem because they consider it there destiny to occupy/reclaim it, at the expense of the Jews who are there now I would think?), providing support to Assad's regime which has killed thousands of civilians....Yeah, warlord would fit! What would you call him? Anyway, terminology is really semantics. Trump killed him on Iraqi soil. The poo will hit the fan eventually. We will pay more for fuel and therefor, everything else... etc...etc... Call him what you want. He won't mind!

TH....




He had an interesting resume which was created by the narrative managers.

Who have a long long history of making up stories in order to justify military action.

There is not much you can add to that.

We have over a century of history where the United States has justified military action on the basis of lies.

Let that sink in.

They are consummate liars.



I can't believe you are an apologist for Iran? I don't agree with what Trump did. It is a dangerous move for the world. You said you love it, love it! Nice, champ, not enough love in the world! Your issue was with my terminology which was entirely appropriate. His military career is well documented, not just by the Americans. I just can't believe that there are people on here who are apologists for the Iranian regime? I'm sure they could arrange visas for you all if you want to go and live in such a pure and righteous place. Go on, you won't be missed. They have the internet there so you can still post worthless drivel on the net (if they allow you access!!)...

TH...


You are not real flash on picking up on sarcasm are you?

Which tells me that you are either not very bright or that your ego has circumvented your reasoning.

So I am not going to fall into the trap of arguing with a clot.

However I will post an article for you to read which rips up the whole narrative and reflects pretty much exactly how I feel on the whole issue:

caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/01/05/the-us-government-lies-constantly-and-the-burden-of-proof-is-on-the-accuser/

Kamikuza
QLD, 4738 posts
7 Jan 2020 11:01AM
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I love how people present the middle East as a peaceful garden of coexistence and brotherly love ... and then the West comes and ruins it all. Comedy gold.

Mobydisc
NSW, 8744 posts
7 Jan 2020 12:14PM
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Trump should be impeached for real crimes like murder instead of non crimes like abusing of power.

Macroscien
QLD, 5012 posts
7 Jan 2020 11:31AM
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Looks like Trump will go into history books as a first modern leader to release nuclear bomb at peace time.Surely Iranian started uranium enrichments and the only way to stop it now is bombing the site.
No other then nuclear bomb could achieve so.
But coincidently US have at the hand stockpile of such devices , near expiry date. Why not to kill two ducks with one stone he may think?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb


Then that should serve a lesson for the rest of world leader. There is no safe place to hide, we could get you anywhere , anytime.

Poida
WA, 1807 posts
7 Jan 2020 9:31AM
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when you look at the history of Iran from the 1950's its a sad tale of intervention gone wrong, all for the oil revenue. The USA doesn't learn from all these interventions that turn into a cluster f*ck

japie
NSW, 5539 posts
7 Jan 2020 12:36PM
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cisco said..

japie said...
They are consummate liars.



As are the Arabs.

They do not care if humanity is wiped out. The reason being that from the cradle they are taught to focus on the notion of the afterlife where they get their 72 virgins etc,etc.

They don't know how to enjoy this life so in the alleged afterlife they will fail too.

Why did man invent religion??


Agree.

However they do have the right to determine their political future.

Which in the Iranian case, ( they are not Arabs), was denied them courtesy of the cabal.

Mossdegh was deposed after winning an election based on his promise to nationalize the oil reserves.

Norway taxed North Sea oil to the extent that they are arguably the richest nation in the world per capita.

Imagine the outcry had the yanks employed the same tactics in Norway as they and the Brits did to Iran?

japie
NSW, 5539 posts
7 Jan 2020 12:39PM
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Kamikuza said..
I love how people present the middle East as a peaceful garden of coexistence and brotherly love ... and then the West comes and ruins it all. Comedy gold.


Who does that?

No one can deny it's a clusterf^ck of note.

The poignant question is not what is but why it is.



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