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Vaccine who has it who hasn't who won't?

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Created by Razzonater 2 months ago, 25 Jun 2021
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japie
NSW, 6398 posts
8 Jul 2021 11:21AM
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airsail said..

japie said..
Must have been at least a handful of conspiracy theorists on here last year who predicted that they were going to use coercion to get people vaccinated and restrict the movement of those who aren't??

This is another very insightful article at the UK Column:

www.ukcolumn.org/article/why-we-must-question-vaccine-efficacy-and-safety-claims



Overall, we rate the UK Column a strong right-wing biased conspiracy website that frequently promotes false or misleading information.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/



It would be amusing, were it not so obtuse, to conclude that posting that was an argument which invalidates anything that is discussed by the UK Column.

I've had a look at a few genuinely right wing sites where their ideology is in your face. The UK Column bears zero resemblance.

What I have come to terms with is that the logic you subscribe to is quite common amongst the loony left. Not only is it fallacious, it is also dangerous. It's not that long since your historical compatriots scourged Russia resulting in the deaths of 66 million people under the most disgusting and horrendous circumstances.

What the left describes as right wing is mostly people who don't subscribe to the idiotic social engineering that the likes of Soros and the Rockefeller crew keep trying to jam down everyone's throats.

Censorship basically. FB, Twatter and Google are prime examples.
It's ****ing unhealthy!

patsken
WA, 698 posts
8 Jul 2021 9:27AM
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FormulaNova said..

Razzonater said..
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Before every politician keeps banging on about getting the vaccine and just do it and hurry up and get it and be responsible and if you want life to return to normal get it.. Perhaps they should make it available.

Its only once it becomes available and readily available and the government gets this to happen that we can return to some normality.

I don't see this happening for another 12 months at best, I'd like to be proved wrong but doubt I will,,,, even than how many more variants will there be,,,, From current data now it is being suggested 3 or more vaccine doses may be required.. When will the world have enough to provide 3 doses to all?????



I think they really got caught out when the Astrazenica vaccine started having problems and then people's lack of interest in getting it. The Pfizer numbers clearly weren't enough to cover everyone.

It's good to see young people in places are lining up for the AZ vaccine. I can't comment on whether they should do that as I was lucky enough to get the Pfizer version, and this is in no way a comment on people that choose not to get it. It's their choice.

I suspect that volumes of Pfizer will increase pretty quickly, in 3 months, so hopefully you get the chance then. I think like you a lot of people will be getting it to enable travel and also to protect family members.

For what its worth I am up to 6 days after my vaccination and I have noticed no symptoms.


For what it's worth I am up to 3 months after my Pfizer vaccination and I have noticed no symptoms but I was informed by one of the 'tin-hatters' that I work with that I would die in 2 years after having the shots. I better make the most of my time then I reckon!!!
By the way, his only qualification to come to that conclusion is that he can read

psychojoe
WA, 1262 posts
8 Jul 2021 10:49AM
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This Springer link is useful in evaluating your own risk in relation to your own demographics IFR with Covid.
At .004 under 34 it's fair to say that it's a miscalculation to vaccinate anyone in this age group.
At 28.3 for over 85s this group should really consider the jab, unless the individual is already a drain on society, in which case they should advise a do not resuscitate order and accept their mortality.

Unsurprisingly it's post 65 that the numbers start to favour the Vax because that's when thymus involution is complete and Tcell immunity wains.
Like it or not, humans are designed to live a little over 65 years.

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1/tables/3

psychomub
385 posts
8 Jul 2021 11:24AM
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Once again:

A stunning revelation emerged recently that exposes the lies behind the global "vaccination" campaign in one of the leading nations when it comes to the percentage of people who have been fully jabbed. According to Public Health England data, 43% of Covid-19 fatalities in the UK were people who were fully "vaccinated". Furthermore, a shocking 60% of Covid-19 deaths are attributed to people who have received at least one dose.

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated


www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/297051
Pfizer's shot causes "mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly,

Carantoc
WA, 5478 posts
8 Jul 2021 12:11PM
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pfft.

Overall, I rate the Guardian left-wing clap-trap full of nonsensical errors and usually promoting loaded information.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/


(if I put it in bold does it make it more true ?)

psychomub
385 posts
8 Jul 2021 12:57PM
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Carantoc said..
pfft.

Overall, I rate the Guardian left-wing clap-trap full of nonsensical errors and usually promoting loaded information.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/


(if I put it in bold does it make it more true ?)


Shooting the messenger?

The figures they use come straight from UK government records.

Brent in Qld
QLD, 569 posts
8 Jul 2021 3:39PM
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General guideline to understanding the UK tabloids below. We can all rest assured, this is the truth because no lies get through YouTubes fact checking algorithms.

japie
NSW, 6398 posts
8 Jul 2021 4:19PM
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The success in ascertaining the truth of any matter in both the scientific and the legal world is entirely reliant on transparency, debate and criticism.

If any of those pillars are compromised so will be the outcome.

For a long time now I've deliberately read literature whose authors are smeared because I know that it's highly likely that the smeerers are not telling the truth.
It's a pretty reliable tactic!


airsail
QLD, 750 posts
8 Jul 2021 4:30PM
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Brent in Qld said..
General guideline to understanding the UK tabloids below. We can all rest assured, this is the truth because no lies get through YouTubes fact checking algorithms.




Classic Brent, nice one

FormulaNova
WA, 12446 posts
8 Jul 2021 4:03PM
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patsken said..

FormulaNova said..


Razzonater said..
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Before every politician keeps banging on about getting the vaccine and just do it and hurry up and get it and be responsible and if you want life to return to normal get it.. Perhaps they should make it available.

Its only once it becomes available and readily available and the government gets this to happen that we can return to some normality.

I don't see this happening for another 12 months at best, I'd like to be proved wrong but doubt I will,,,, even than how many more variants will there be,,,, From current data now it is being suggested 3 or more vaccine doses may be required.. When will the world have enough to provide 3 doses to all?????




I think they really got caught out when the Astrazenica vaccine started having problems and then people's lack of interest in getting it. The Pfizer numbers clearly weren't enough to cover everyone.

It's good to see young people in places are lining up for the AZ vaccine. I can't comment on whether they should do that as I was lucky enough to get the Pfizer version, and this is in no way a comment on people that choose not to get it. It's their choice.

I suspect that volumes of Pfizer will increase pretty quickly, in 3 months, so hopefully you get the chance then. I think like you a lot of people will be getting it to enable travel and also to protect family members.

For what its worth I am up to 6 days after my vaccination and I have noticed no symptoms.



For what it's worth I am up to 3 months after my Pfizer vaccination and I have noticed no symptoms but I was informed by one of the 'tin-hatters' that I work with that I would die in 2 years after having the shots. I better make the most of my time then I reckon!!!
By the way, his only qualification to come to that conclusion is that he can read


Well, he is obviously in the know.

I wonder what you can do in that 2 years? Is it an exact timing thing or vaguely 2 years? I suspect that in 2 years he would tell you 'you must have been given a placebo instead'.

I would have thought the nurse administering the vaccine would have mentioned the 2 years thing as a side-effect. Oh well.

I would spend all my money and anyone else's asap if I knew it was 2 years for a fact.

FormulaNova
WA, 12446 posts
8 Jul 2021 4:04PM
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Carantoc said..
pfft.

Overall, I rate the Guardian left-wing clap-trap full of nonsensical errors and usually promoting loaded information.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/


(if I put it in bold does it make it more true ?)


Needs to be a meme.

kiterboy
2324 posts
8 Jul 2021 5:55PM
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FormulaNova said..


I would have thought the nurse administering the vaccine would have mentioned the 2 years thing as a side-effect. Oh well.



What makes you think the nurse would know?

Kamikuza
QLD, 6156 posts
8 Jul 2021 8:08PM
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psychomub said..
Once again:

A stunning revelation emerged recently that exposes the lies behind the global "vaccination" campaign in one of the leading nations when it comes to the percentage of people who have been fully jabbed. According to Public Health England data, 43% of Covid-19 fatalities in the UK were people who were fully "vaccinated". Furthermore, a shocking 60% of Covid-19 deaths are attributed to people who have received at least one dose.

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated


www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/297051
Pfizer's shot causes "mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly,


That's 42 people total they're talking about, and there's no other information: like, how they died, co-morbidities or age.

Infections may be up, but deaths are way down. Variant, schmariant.

But that's a very nice example of how to spin a narrative with information presented poorly and out of context. Oh it's the Guardian. Right.

Anyone who's followed this and places like Sweden know that pushing to vaccinate people under 18 is just stupid.

psychojoe
WA, 1262 posts
8 Jul 2021 7:33PM
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Kamikuza said..


psychomub said..
Once again:

A stunning revelation emerged recently that exposes the lies behind the global "vaccination" campaign in one of the leading nations when it comes to the percentage of people who have been fully jabbed. According to Public Health England data, 43% of Covid-19 fatalities in the UK were people who were fully "vaccinated". Furthermore, a shocking 60% of Covid-19 deaths are attributed to people who have received at least one dose.

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated


www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/297051
Pfizer's shot causes "mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly,




That's 42 people total they're talking about, and there's no other information: like, how they died, co-morbidities or age.

Infections may be up, but deaths are way down. Variant, schmariant.

But that's a very nice example of how to spin a narrative with information presented poorly and out of context. Oh it's the Guardian. Right.

Anyone who's followed this and places like Sweden know that pushing to vaccinate people under 18 is just stupid.



Oddly enough, there's a lot ****load of countries doing it.
I guess it's the modern-a way to sacrifice a virgins to the gods
www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/countries-vaccinating-children-against-covid-19-2021-06-01/

lotofwind
NSW, 6125 posts
8 Jul 2021 9:50PM
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WOW, I have just read through all the posts on this thread from page 1.
I think the 4 major posters in this thread, yeah you guys/girls/LBGQTB/vegans/antivax/peta nut jobs should stop reading into internet theories and actually speak to your GP and then go to a different GP and talk to them.
You know, so u can get some advise from actually medically trained professionals,
instead of trusting your life to the bloggers/fake news/conspiracy type info you are believing because its on the interwebs.
I always wondered who the suckers were who sent their bank account details to the Nigerian Prince........ seems they are all the seabreeze x-heavyweather posters.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6156 posts
8 Jul 2021 10:55PM
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lotofwind said..
WOW, I have just read through all the posts on this thread from page 1.
I think the 4 major posters in this thread, yeah you guys/girls/LBGQTB/vegans/antivax/peta nut jobs should stop reading into internet theories and actually speak to your GP and then go to a different GP and talk to them.
You know, so u can get some advise from actually medically trained professionals,
instead of trusting your life to the bloggers/fake news/conspiracy type info you are believing because its on the interwebs.
I always wondered who the suckers were who sent their bank account details to the Nigerian Prince........ seems they are all the seabreeze x-heavyweather posters.


Sure, because all medical professionals are a monolithic block that all think exactly the same thing about everything.

It's even possible that you've not talked to any actually medically trained professionals and just rely on The Guardian articles.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6156 posts
8 Jul 2021 10:57PM
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psychojoe said..
Oddly enough, there's a lot ****load of countries doing it.
I guess it's the modern-a way to sacrifice a virgins to the gods
www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/countries-vaccinating-children-against-covid-19-2021-06-01/


Follow the science NOT THAT SCIENCE you bigot

/s

D3
WA, 149 posts
9 Jul 2021 7:27PM
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japie said..
The success in ascertaining the truth of any matter in both the scientific and the legal world is entirely reliant on transparency, debate and criticism.

If any of those pillars are compromised so will be the outcome.

For a long time now I've deliberately read literature whose authors are smeared because I know that it's highly likely that the smeerers are not telling the truth.
It's a pretty reliable tactic!




then you should read up on some of the most smeared Drs of recent times like Wakefield and Kelly Brogan

D3
WA, 149 posts
9 Jul 2021 7:34PM
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lotofwind said..
WOW, I have just read through all the posts on this thread from page 1.
I think the 4 major posters in this thread, yeah you guys/girls/LBGQTB/vegans/antivax/peta nut jobs should stop reading into internet theories and actually speak to your GP and then go to a different GP and talk to them.
You know, so u can get some advise from actually medically trained professionals,
instead of trusting your life to the bloggers/fake news/conspiracy type info you are believing because its on the interwebs.
I always wondered who the suckers were who sent their bank account details to the Nigerian Prince........ seems they are all the seabreeze x-heavyweather posters.


One of my favourites is when they claim it's all a big conspiracy and that the majority of governments and the entire worlds medical system is just going along with 'Big Pharmas' evil plan.

As if anyone has managed to pressured the Chinese government to do anything.

FormulaNova
WA, 12446 posts
9 Jul 2021 9:50PM
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D3 said..

lotofwind said..
WOW, I have just read through all the posts on this thread from page 1.
I think the 4 major posters in this thread, yeah you guys/girls/LBGQTB/vegans/antivax/peta nut jobs should stop reading into internet theories and actually speak to your GP and then go to a different GP and talk to them.
You know, so u can get some advise from actually medically trained professionals,
instead of trusting your life to the bloggers/fake news/conspiracy type info you are believing because its on the interwebs.
I always wondered who the suckers were who sent their bank account details to the Nigerian Prince........ seems they are all the seabreeze x-heavyweather posters.



One of my favourites is when they claim it's all a big conspiracy and that the majority of governments and the entire worlds medical system is just going along with 'Big Pharmas' evil plan.

As if anyone has managed to pressured the Chinese government to do anything.


One would have to look at the Aus government's roll out of vaccines to see that they couldn't organise anything very well, let alone keep it a secret from the entire population.

They are not acting slow and indecisive. Almost all governments are like that. The democratic ones at least as they listen to all the stupid points of view whether they make sense or not.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6156 posts
10 Jul 2021 9:08PM
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They are not acting slow and indecisive. Almost all governments are like that. The democratic ones at least as they listen to all the stupid points of view whether they make sense or not.


Perhaps what we need is ... less government. Imagine that.

FormulaNova
WA, 12446 posts
10 Jul 2021 8:47PM
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Kamikuza said..

FormulaNova said..
They are not acting slow and indecisive. Almost all governments are like that. The democratic ones at least as they listen to all the stupid points of view whether they make sense or not.



Perhaps what we need is ... less government. Imagine that.


Well, is it less government we need or less consultation?

A communist country would probably just do what the government wanted without asking the opinion of everyone and looking at political polls before making decisions.

It's like when a single person gets to coordinate things versus a group. The single person can make quicker decisions.

psychojoe
WA, 1262 posts
10 Jul 2021 9:30PM
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Didn't Italy recently ditch 300 politicians?

Napnap
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10 Jul 2021 10:48PM
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Interesting aside. UK worker here. All my team of 40 adults double jabbed, 4 off with 'The Cove', 2 really unwell in their 40ties. We've got 600000 kids out of education, 20000 with it and nearly 4000 claiming long COVID. We are opening up soon with estimated cases going to rise to between 100000 per day mid August, just as those first doubled jabbed are coming to the end of their speculates efficacy time. Sister who's a doctor claims that most of her staff are ill/isolating. The only point to this 'kin rant is this is what you get with inept, corrupt, populist leaders. AND, freight costs for boards from the east have risen from 1k a container to 8k a container! Had both jabs, and would like a third before September. Feel better now

psychomub
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11 Jul 2021 4:47AM
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Kamikuza
QLD, 6156 posts
11 Jul 2021 10:59AM
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FormulaNova said..

Kamikuza said..


FormulaNova said..
They are not acting slow and indecisive. Almost all governments are like that. The democratic ones at least as they listen to all the stupid points of view whether they make sense or not.




Perhaps what we need is ... less government. Imagine that.



Well, is it less government we need or less consultation?

A communist country would probably just do what the government wanted without asking the opinion of everyone and looking at political polls before making decisions.

It's like when a single person gets to coordinate things versus a group. The single person can make quicker decisions.


Less government. "Consultation" is just clock-watching.

A communist country would do whatever Dear Leader said they are going to do, if they want to avoid the gulag. Ideology determines outcome.

Sure, but a single person is less likely to have all the facts, be immune to bias, and not have agendas to drive.

Take keeping kids out of school -- there's zero evidence to support this being beneficial, plenty of evidence to support it being a terrible idea both for COVID and other diseases, let alone education.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6156 posts
11 Jul 2021 11:03AM
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those first doubled jabbed are coming to the end of their speculates efficacy time


What?

drlazone
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11 Jul 2021 9:39AM
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The virus doesn't give a horse ass about your political affiliation, religious belief, conspiracy theories.
The reality in real life is pretty clear.
To deny is at your own risk (and if you're the young Superman healthy super foiler variants you are unlikely to die, your couch& age bound relatives might not survive).

This data is the same from any countries.
This is just one example.

The Hill: Fauci: 99 percent of Americans who died of COVID-19 last month were unvaccinated | TheHill.
thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/562277-fauci-99-percent-of-americans-who-died-of-covid

airsail
QLD, 750 posts
11 Jul 2021 11:45AM
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You might have to change the 0 to a 1, one death after contracting Covid reported in NSW, not vaccinated.

psychomub
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11 Jul 2021 10:12AM
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psychomub said..





You might have to change the 0 to a 1, one death after contracting Covid reported in NSW, not vaccinated.



She was in her 90s...hardly counts.

News says that she died after contracting the virus from a relative - not that the virus killed her. Elderly people like this are killed by viruses all the time.



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