Lets not go calling the kettle black NJ, surely it is you that has a shed full of C kites???
I sell C kites, all 5 liners too.
https://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_17196_Slingshot_Fuel_08_cat_330.html
And the Naish Torch, but there are not amny others around.

Does not change what I am saying about them. These days C kites are for experienced to advanced riders only.

Posting links of videos with guys standing in shallow water relaunching, so what?
The video is from so far away, we cannot see what the flyer is doing, and its cut so we cannot see the flyer getting dragged at relaunch.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

waveslave said...

In two years time,
you won't see a C-kite in the sky.

Just like the demise of Concord! Who wants to fly at supersonic speed anyway?
WHAT THE F@#K.....
I read somewhere they were giving away free castrations with every bow kite sold....

I like variety....4 line, 5 line, bow, hybrid, C....all good all fun every day.

Good troll Dave......, brought out all the kite technos.

Thanks gruezi...... I looked on seabreeze and it was so boring, same old topics. I missed Stevie, waveslave, kitecrazzy, gstar and the rest of the gang flaming each other, as well as Darrens well reasoned and factual comments which always inform.
I absolutely love that I've got lots of thumbs down by forum junkies who dont know the difference between a statement and a question.
My point on starting this thread is that no matter what kite you ride you should always ride a kite appropriate for the wind conditions.
BTW I think the concorde was actually grounded for safety reasons, remember the one that fell out of the sky????

dave...... said...

take out a big kite, depower it in big winds, bog squat, pull the trigger and wow you're jumping. Everyone keeps asking all the guys who are jumping twice as high on kites half their size whats the secret...
Have the bow/hybrid kites made it so easy that being exact with the kite doesnt matter?

Its completely obvious to me that you are an utter genius Dave, who got a bit bored??
However, if you place a question mark at the end of a sentence, then it is a question, and not a statement.

Yes, your initial post contained both a statement, in genius-speak, and a question.

And my answer to the question was not for you, it was for the begginers who would read this thread, a couple of whom have already been in touch, thanks.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

5 line relaunch may take a few extra seconds compared to a bridle kite, but it is sure as **** a heap more reliable. Nothing more of a pain than a bow with the LE down and facing towards you, or a bridle tangle. Even with a modern 5th, at least if you wrap the line around the kite, you can undo the 5th and do a standard 4 line relaunch. Still, at the end of the day the good old opposing front line/rear line relaunch for a 4 line C is reliable and effective and saves on the need for any bridle nonsense or 5th line.

I like kites. I have two red ones

steven that's a lot of quoting, strange....

I have taught people on 5 line kites.

They end up far better kite pilots because they know more.

simonmm said...

Kitepower Australia said...



C shaped kites for advanced riders?
The most successful riders I know learnt kiting on a C shaped kite, actually most still fly C shape kites as they have more function and behave themselves far better.

I think your FI vs carby anology is a bit off the mark. According to your own quote above and other statements you have made, you imply that Cs are sought by advanced riders searching for performance whilst bows offer comfort and convenience. Wouldn't a Caddilac vs Porche motif be a bit more appropriate here?

Analogy. Ask Waveslave.

See "Airbus Vs Concorde".

NJPornstar said...

steven that's a lot of quoting, strange....

I fixed it so it looks better, sorry.
Its just breaking your post and argument into 3 easy to counter answer, sections, ok.

NJPornstar said...
I have taught people on 5 line kites.

So have I, so have heaps of instructors (who are conspicuoulsy not supporting your argument), in fact we all pretty much had no option for a couple of years prior to the release of bow/hybrid/high depower kites.

NJPornstar said...
They end up far better kite pilots because they know more.

More than what??????
WTF?

The type of kite flown, has almost no relevence to the skill a flyer might develop, provided the kite is correctly rigged and the flyer survives each learning or flying session.

The only things that teach a flyer are the interactions between the flyer, the kite, THE WIND and other kiters.

Its completely obvious that you have a vested interest in promoting 5 line C kites, and arguments like this last quote are just simply illogical, let it go eh?
Enjoy your kites and stick with what you know. I keep replying because I want the anonymous and curious, non posting reader to know the truth.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

I dont want a reseller pulling the wool over newbies eyes either.

C kites and 5 lines are good for.

Help with top end stability.
Help relaunching super fast when you have worked it out.
Kill the power and land consistanty down wind where an out of control kite ends up.
Kills the power so well full power tricks you arent punishished by the kite.
Good systems work well for depower/relaunch with over 15 twists in the lines.
Safety leash can be connected all the time and have reliable performance.
5th connected Safety leash is the only practical leash for riding sliders.
Your kite can be landed directly down wind on tight side shore beaches.
Your kite turns off completely doesnt tangle up the lines and can be relaunched after release.
Your kite lasts longer as it doesnt get stressed from speeding in the water
You can set up the kite to drift of the wind while wave riding.
When released in the surf theres more of a chance the kite wil float lightly up and over white water. Instead of catching the white water and blowing panels out.
5th is like a extra hand on the kite so you have more control of the wing when its down, meaning you can handle it in difficult situations while still controlling the kite at the bar.
5th also helps you in a situation where you dont want the kite to fly at all, No tight sweeping lines across the wind window.
2 tangled 5 line kites is not too bad when the rigs are released.
5 lines Russian starts in almost no wind, 3 knts, Cause you can decrease the angle of attack so far it will fly.
If your system has a cleat you can cleat off 30cm and you wont fly when raving sh1t on the beach to your mates.
5 lines is generally a 100% depowering leash that will less likely break due to stress damage.
More skilled riders use 5 lines, cause they can...

4 lines and bridles are good for alittle more wind range and its always a bummer when things wear out and break when there's truck loads of wind.

colinwill78 said...

I like kites. I have two red ones

Mine are mostly yellow, so they must be better??

waveslave said...

Porno,
I guess when you think about it.....
Your 5th line kites are (in a way) bridled kites too.
A bit like a bow kite only C shaped.
You see,
the 5th line is really a single-line bridle, albeit a very simple bridle.
And in the case of NEW kites, the 5th line splits into two lines.....<
so it's a double-line bridle supporting and acting upon the central LE.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

The 5th should be loose so the kite can pivot back and forth from the front line connections.
The 5th provides arc support when the kite is in powering across the window.

It also does more for skill thirsty kite flyers looking to improve.

NJPornstar said...

The 5th provides arc support when the kite is in powering across the window.

And that's exactly what a bowkite bridle is designed to do.
It provides arc support but in a more substantial manner due to its spread with more connection points along the LE.
The big benefit with bow kites is the PA% advantage.

Couldn't a 5th line be attached (at least in theory) to a bow, with the same effect?
(In terms of launch & beach control.)