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jquigley
jquigley
WA
205 posts
WA, 205 posts
15 Sep 2007 10:18am
The title of this thread should read "Why we should pay more for our kites"

Lots of good reasons put forward so far.

So we can support small businesses (that may or may not be viable).

So we can support the local community (I thought that's what I paid tax for).

Not buying overseas, excuse me?.... where are the kites made?

I'm suprised no one has suggested increasing import duty to encourage local manufacturing.

I'm just about to go pick up my new kite (from a shop) I made the decision of which kite to buy through the internet and talking to people down the beach, I ordered it over the phone and all things going well I won't have any problems with it and there'll be no more visits to the shop till I have to buy my next kite. No value adding there for me.

The kite companies need to enforce RRP - providing enough margin for the retailers to make a buck - and ensuring their distribution network remains healthy.

quote:
Normally an international supplier will cut supply to a shop if they hear of them putting products out onto the market at rediculous prices, as they know, every one needs to make money to survive.



But hang on isn't there a law against that? Anti competitive behaviour, enforced by the ACCC......

Then again the kite companies could sell through Amart Allsports or the likes of, and retail for $999 and sell zillions of the FKr's. Hmmmmm!!!

Shuddup...pay the money....get over it.

J-P









undone
undone
WA
32 posts
WA, 32 posts
15 Sep 2007 10:23am
Hi, I am not buying into the argument just giving you some facts.
Wanted a naish helix 7metre which was not out in Australia yet so went on the net to source one. Bought one out of USA at a price $100 cheaper than Australia, not because it was cheaper but because I could not wait to get it. Then Australian customs gives me a call and it costs me another $300 to get through. End result is that it cost me more to buy off the net, than here in Australia for that particular kite.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
15 Sep 2007 12:44pm
As Paul Keating once said there are some downsides to living at the arse end of the world



Hi, I am not buying into the argument just giving you some facts.
Wanted a naish helix 7metre which was not out in Australia yet so went on the net to source one. Bought one out of USA at a price $100 cheaper than Australia, not because it was cheaper but because I could not wait to get it. Then Australian customs gives me a call and it costs me another $300 to get through. End result is that it cost me more to buy off the net, than here in Australia for that particular kite.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
15 Sep 2007 12:34pm
Nobody is answering the orriginal question!

Its not a question about shops against internet. The question is why overseas shops are cheaper than our shops?

They have all the same overheads etc.
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
15 Sep 2007 12:41pm
Its buying in bulk direct from the factory.
And much closer competition in europe for example.

Australian freight is the price killer.

Buy Australian if you get the chance.

www.newkiteboarding.com
crakas
crakas
QLD
468 posts
QLD, 468 posts
15 Sep 2007 3:14pm
One thing to consider is that an overseas shop knows that once you walk out the door with their product, they will probably never see you again and not have to supply you with any service or help with warranty issues…..so they can afford to sell you the kite cheaper…they get a quick sale with no strings attached…
JB
JB
NSW
2232 posts
JB JB
NSW, 2232 posts
15 Sep 2007 5:15pm
Crakas is understanding.

Jquigley, Yes there is a law in Australia against price fixing, I was talking about international companies and their relationship with importer/retailers.

Kites cost what they cost! What your dollar is worth and how much the freight costs to get it to your country is why some country's seem cheaper than others, but as experienced by undone, at the end of the day, every one ends up paying to bring things into the country! BTW Undone, there has been a 7m Helix in Australia since mid August. They were only release from the factory on July 15th. 3-4 weeks shipping. I don't understand why you sent overseas?

regards,
JB
NSW, 4382 posts
15 Sep 2007 5:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by xshore

Mate say it as you have "Why are we so ripped off" and stand by by it or don't shoot at the retailers from the hip as you have dude as it does no one any good.

As Steve has stated most of us do it initialy for the passion and most of the time it is 7 days a week 12 to 14 hours a day to make the passion into a living.
Amongst making a living we support employees, real estate agents, land lords, printers, SEABREEZE, local council through rates and permits, telecomunication companies, printers, fuel companies, banks, airlines, shipping companies, the TAX man, the Newspaper, Kiteboarder mag, AKSA, Mechanics, Maritme Authorities, National Parks, Surf Life Saving Clubs, Charities, IT companies, Local Kiters, Dune Care and the Australian economy in general before we even look at putting our own needs and family first.

Now tell me how you are supporting the local community or Australia by buying overseas and we all can put this thread to rest or honestly answer the question " Did you call or go into any shop in Australia for advice before going on your overseas trip to buy the kite in mention?"
Sorry dude if I sound hard on this but I believe what I am writing is fair reality of life.

Kind regards

Glen





The bit I highlighted and made purple and big is the best thing said in this thread.
Said by someone that knws from experience what he is talking about!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
WA
478 posts
WA, 478 posts
15 Sep 2007 3:23pm
MR float i <3 your avatard.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
15 Sep 2007 5:54pm
Well after reading everyone's thoughts on this topic,I reckon that even though kite boards are x,ee there is good value for money in them,once again only compareing them to other sporting good's.One question ......Is there a dinky die Ozzy made kite,I mean, can't expect all materials to be sourced in Australia cause we all know we don't manufacture with raw Ozzy materials hardly at all,but is there an AUSTRALIAN made kite with an Australian made sticker on it...only curious gang cause if there is that would be bloody grous, if there isn't,well blow me down an call me eddy there should be.. P.S if it's 5.00pm in Noosa QLD,what time is it in Perth (gotta ring me siss who lives there now, in the morning)
NSW, 4382 posts
15 Sep 2007 6:11pm
quote:
Originally posted by rooey

Well after reading everyone's thoughts on this topic,I reckon that even though kite boards are x,ee there is good value for money in them,once again only compareing them to other sporting good's.One question ......Is there a dinky die Ozzy made kite,I mean, can't expect all materials to be sourced in Australia cause we all know we don't manufacture with raw Ozzy materials hardly at all,but is there an AUSTRALIAN made kite with an Australian made sticker on it...only curious gang cause if there is that would be bloody grous, if there isn't,well blow me down an call me eddy there should be.. P.S if it's 5.00pm in Noosa QLD,what time is it in Perth (gotta ring me siss who lives there now, in the morning)



No there is not an Australian made kite.
No there is no kite with the "Made in Australia" sticker/approval.

Not even that new brand. Its made in China/Asia, like all the other brands. The only difference with that brand is maybe the owners are Australian and pay tax in Australia?

All profits, from the sale of that brand, and all the other International brands stay in Australia and benefit the Australian community, provided people support the Australian Community and retailers and buy within Australia.

The Australian textile industry could not make a kite at a competitive price, however I am sure we could make a kite that is competitive, or even better made than the stuff made in Asia.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
15 Sep 2007 6:20pm
Cheers Steve...maybe Rebok n Niki might start making kites,if they see a huge proffit in them
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
15 Sep 2007 5:22pm
That New kite brand is an Australian kite company.
The gear is made with the same materials as all other expensive brands and made in the same factories.

It would be impossible to mass produce a competively price kite in Australia.

As kitepower says by dealing with New your money goes back into the tax system and employs Australians. New also sells through interested retailers. Who employ people aswell..

Or you could buy a well advertized expensive brand based over seas send your money overseas and employ some foreigners, who live, travel well and pay tax bills over there.

NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
15 Sep 2007 5:28pm
Just read that and oops its heavy. Im not racist or anything.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
15 Sep 2007 8:15pm
NJ,I don't get it,all I could find on the nett is 'New Tech Kites',who are USA based and appear to make trainer and fly kites....whats the drum on these Ozzy kites?...mysterious or what!
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
15 Sep 2007 8:29pm
Are you guys saying that 'Kitepower' is the only retailer that keeps the Ozzy$ in the loop so to speak.All others purchase,import and retail with the majority of proffit returning to the 'overseas' kite producers (I own a North kite,Liquid Force board and Dakine harness)I drive a holden but its a Rodeo(Isuzu in reality)..
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
15 Sep 2007 6:30pm
www.newkiteboarding.com

Specialized in strong wind stuff. 15knts+, Company from Geraldton. Ex Wipika design crew. Low key quiet drum.

Maybe one day we will do light wind stuff.maybe.

Click through seabreeze or flick through kiteboarder mag
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
15 Sep 2007 6:32pm
Check the link on pornstars post above.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
15 Sep 2007 8:38pm
Kool,I found the site on my own....didnt know 'New' existed....silly me....Rooey just a backward Queenslander,ha seriously hope it goes well for you lot,will give consideration when planning a kite purchase next time.Maybe 'New' could run a giveaway kite contest on Seabreeze to keep it all in the loop...regards Roo
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
15 Sep 2007 6:56pm
If you kitin around the sunny coast there's a kite there at the moment, Bill from kiteboarder mag has an 11m for testing. If you can catch him.

Comp is on soon. Need to pay a tax bill first...

RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
15 Sep 2007 8:08pm
Freight is the killer, and advertising as Im finding out, all the middle men holding out their hand...
You dont realy want to know what the stuff costs out of the china or the euro factory
You can get it cheap if you can buy 250 +++
Just forget about it
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
15 Sep 2007 10:14pm
Buying from an overseas online kitestore is ok if you know exactly what you want.
It's tough scoring a demo in Cyberia.
Some online kitestores offer free shipping anywhere in the world.
The kite gets delivered to your doorstep in a week.

Now this is the important bit:
If the value of your purchase is under $1000 AUD ....there is
No customs duty
No gst
No tax
No nothing.
Cool hey.

I live in a town that's kite-heaven.
We have four surfshops and a dedicated bodyboard shop....
But no kiteshop.
Anyway, that's my excuse.
lol.
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
16 Sep 2007 11:50am
New has free shipping Australia wide.
even Geraldton to Mandurah
VIC, 203 posts
16 Sep 2007 3:06pm
mmmmmmm....
I just thought I'd check a couple of kites and shops out to see.
I tried http://www.xlkites.com/flexifoil-ion2-p-341.html

I thought I'd look at the Ion2 as it's something I sell.
$950US + $435US Bar + $290 to upsize to 12.5m (1675US)
equates to around $2090Aus + Freight + 15% import + who is going to fix it for you if it falls apart or breaks a line.
Kite will be around $2600 to your door.
I'll sell you the same kite for around $2159 (absolute bargain I say)

You will find that all kite prices are fairly closely based on european and US prices and typically the Aussie prices are cheaper due to a very competitive market.

THe EH kites are $1600US to buy in the US and $1649 Aus here (in fact $1200 for the 08 model Beast for this month)

US prices seem cheap because they quote kite only and then upsize this and get your bar etc etc etc.
I agree GST and import duty are a killer at 15% for anything over $1k
or in some cases $600.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
16 Sep 2007 1:10pm
^ all that says is that flexifoil and eh are grossly overpriced overseas.


and in fact flexifoil is here as well. 2100$ for a 12. WTF!???
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
16 Sep 2007 3:40pm
Ok like some one said check your local retailer, or importer. Is he she a millionaire, are they even better off then you??
Yeah I work in a shop and for an importer, I tell you it isn't for the money :-) I earn less then my mates I may have a few nice fringe benfits. I like my job and the peolple I work with are great friends, So are alot of my clients..
But it's my passion, not money. if I wanted money I'd work in the mines..
My boss has put so much effort into the industry and I know most everyone in the industry does.
Look at who sponsors events throughout australia, plus who supports aksa who started it and really helped get it all going??
Who started this sport really going in aus, who will protect your local beaches and who taught you, and will continue to help keep the sport going..
I'll always love and hate this sport we occassionally have our little tiffs but I always will love it, that what makles it so enjoyable..
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
16 Sep 2007 3:44pm
Kites in South Africa are a lot cheaper. Most kites were on average 30% cheaper than Oz and that was with fair amount of mark up (I had access to dealer price lists there so I know what the markup was like)
VIC, 203 posts
16 Sep 2007 3:47pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

^ all that says is that flexifoil and eh are grossly overpriced overseas.


and in fact flexifoil is here as well. 2100$ for a 12. WTF!???



OK Same dealer in the US
GK Sonic 11m $1449US is over the Aussie price before you even freight it or pay import
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Sep 2007 4:38pm
quote:
It's tough scoring a demo in Cyberia.


I can't believe 'slave finally spelt something wrong.
Its Siberia
lol
jquigley
jquigley
WA
205 posts
WA, 205 posts
16 Sep 2007 4:43pm
I just thought he made up a new word...as in Cyber Space Cyberia.

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