Why is it so damn slow then?? Was the Rev 2 as slow?

eppo said...

Why is it so damn slow then?? Was the Rev 2 as slow?

Yes the REV2 was slower than the REV1 and Octane. Most of the guys on surf boards only wanted to ride the 7m. And beginners dont want a fast kite anyway, so the REV2 covered a wide spectrum of riders.
The bar feed back and grunt still made it a convincing kite to buy at the time. This concept still works.
And whats a wave kite any way? it realy depends on your style of riding. RRD religion and REO are not going to pull my 95 Kgs through a crank on the face unless I go up a size, so Ill go with the BWS 6m which I like to ride with the Sugarqube 135 TT in waves as well, even though its a relativly slow kite and wants about 25 knots to realy reach its full potential.
Make up your own mind and dont fall for the labeling

eppo said...

Why is it so damn slow then?? Was the Rev 2 as slow?

the noise needs a lot of bar input to initiate turns, this is what i liked about it for waves and the way its been tuned, but it is seen as slow to people demoing it if you are used to a more sensitive bar and kite tuning. if the kite is powered up and the lines are tight it turns relatively fast enough given a decent crank on the bar and it also travels fast enough for me across the window.

I dont know the details but it doesnt seem like a low aspect kite .

I still think this type of tuning is fine for freeriding. you just got to get used to being aggressive with it if you want fast response.

You guys are kidding

Rebel = Arguably one of the nicest all-round kites ever made.

Noise = dog crap with strings

mofo said...

You guys are kidding

Rebel = Arguably one of the nicest all-round kites ever made.

Noise = dog crap with strings

Funny ****e, but you are wrong. Nothing wrong with the BWS, I enjoyed it, very predictable (too predictable if you know what I mean), but it is not dog crap with strings, it is a relatively good kite and suites a certain style.

But comparing to a Rebel - yeh then the above description is harsh, but has an element of truth. Not even close. Anyhow, enough crappin' on, talking about dog crap, this season is just driving me farqin crazy. What a dog ****e of a season.

the walks said...
they are 2 totally different kites, do NOT compare them, once again, 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT KITES................

Agree completely with the walks - totally different kites. If you are coming down to a final decision then you are comparing kites that are miles apart.
BUT if you are at the stage of trying to decide what 'style' of kite ur after then go for it compare all the apples with all the oranges..... and apricots and pears etc.
Once ur onto the design that suits ur requirements then start comparing the apples to the apples.
We have the BWS Noise on demo anytime you want one - if thems the apples ur after.

I've got a noise 6m that i bought with the intention of only really using in the surf unstrapped. In reality i think its a perfectly good allrounder that surprised me with the height and float of the jumps when i use it with my twintip, wasn't expecting it to be so good.
As others have said, the turning speed could be better but is acceptable on the 6m. I reckon the bigger sizes could feel a little slow (based on the 6, i haven't ridden the bigger ones).
Agree with sugarqube that the bag is fairly rubbish, maybe they should budget an extra 10 bucks for something decent instead of the 3 bucks it probably costs them to get made.
I also dont like the depower cleat which i find is a pain to use and i question the durability of the bridle and pulleys.
Overall its a good kite for the money with a couple of minor issues.

tightlines said...

^ What no lemons.

NUP - no lemons. Thats your area of expertise TL

norths and slingshots dont justify their price. The BWs is just as good as kite with almost half the price tag. North and slingshots, and other expensive kites relying on their history to overprice their kites, days are numbered. There are a number of cheap good kites out there and growing by the day and good for them.

Mask said...

norths and slingshots dont justify their price. The BWs is just as good as kite with almost half the price tag. North and slingshots, and other expensive kites relying on their history to overprice their kites, days are numbered. There are a number of cheap good kites out there and growing by the day and good for them.

Yeah, that's why most retailers have found the north rebel has been their biggest seller this year. It's obviously having a massive impact.

the walks said...

Mask said...

norths and slingshots dont justify their price. The BWs is just as good as kite with almost half the price tag. North and slingshots, and other expensive kites relying on their history to overprice their kites, days are numbered. There are a number of cheap good kites out there and growing by the day and good for them.

interesting point, no brands mentioned but, i spend a lot of time with a well respected kite repair man.......

Hopefully not to repair your expensive kites.

EPPo

You often come back with how many years you have been kiting and how much experience you have. Thats great, but it doesnt mean that everyone else knows nothing about kites.

If the Rebel is so advanced , how come its still mid 2000s 5 line technology, where just about everyone else manages to do the same with 4 lines.
I have no desire for 5 lines in surf. Been there, done that, dog breakfast.

I stand by my comment. The Rebel is a good kite, no doubt, but so is the BWS, and it is a LOT cheaper.

Taking quality, fuctionality, efficiency and price into concern the Rebel would be 5th or 6 th down the list if I was to buy a kite today.

Each to his own. If youve got heaps of cash to blow, by all means get the Rebel.

the walks said...

Mask said...

Each to his own. If youve got heaps of cash to blow, by all means get the Rebel.

only time will tell, false economy can be easily disguised with modern marketing, "a rabbit in headlights" comes to mind .

Sorry, way above my head.???

DelFuego said...

scuzi,
thees sounda lika boolsheet to me
you canna splain the differances plees
me thinka that snowy may wanta know differances
prego

BWS do a fancy optional Haversak bag for those who want to pay 'extra' for an 'extra' that most others include - and charge you for - as 'standard'.
Theory being - why charge everyone an extra $100 for a bag they might not want?
Interestingly enough sales of the optional extra Haversak runs at less than 1%.
Maybe this indicates that the bag everyone here loves to hate is a better option for 99% of kiters than the bag you have to pay for?