2012 BWS Noise vs 2012 North Rebel

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eppo
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12 Mar 2012 2:01pm
samoht said...

Ahhh! ya just bs'ing on to get it over the page, Some kinda record.???

I think the Vegas is better than both of them.
It just backs up down the line like its glued there...
Turns instantly...
Absorbs the gusts...

Don't know why it never gets a mention or is ever included in these type discussions.
and

It's still North.





Hey gonna PM you to find out more about the vegas... don't want to ask more questions about it and upset dave...
lotofwind
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12 Mar 2012 5:03pm
Eppo
Read it on another kite forum.
They said it was a kite repairer that told them.
eppo
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12 Mar 2012 2:05pm
lotofwind said...

Eppo
Read it on another kite forum.
They said it was a kite repairer that told them.








Cool know which one you mean, will check it out. Ta.
lotofwind
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12 Mar 2012 5:09pm
Was on kite forum, will see if I can find it.
The thread wasnt on north kites, cant remember the topic, someone mentioned it when talking about repairs? Was about 2 weeks ago.
Adrenalin Rush
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12 Mar 2012 4:11pm
lotofwind said...

I think 8 pages or we havent tried hard enough.

This should keep things kicking.
The new "extra strong longer lasting" material North are useing on their canopys is apparently a bit of a marketing gimick. Surprise,surprise.
It may be slightly stronger but when it does rip,and it will in the waves, it rips in a zig zag fashion.Not a straight rip, and also frays really badly making repair jobs a real problem and cost a sh!t load more to repair, repairs then look horrid so resale value is significantly lower.

8 pages here we come.



Any repair on any kite will affect the resale value. I have sent a few Norths away this season for repair and they look no different or cost any more than any other kite repair. The North material is much stronger and less likely to completely blow out. All our repairs have been because of the amount of debris on our beaches up here.


Joe

Subculture
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12 Mar 2012 2:22pm
Wowowow... it's still running!

Ok, 8 pages hey? Well, I can't contribute from experience but apparently the Stig has a Rebel and he fills it with helium

Does this help? I guess every little post does...
lotofwind
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12 Mar 2012 5:25pm
I cut and pasted this from another forum, that is far less superiour than the legendary seabreeze.

<quote>

I know the local repair shops and Airtime really seem to prefer the T9600 over these new proprietary materials. I've heard reports that the newer materials do not tear cleanly but instead fray and stretch in weird ways making repair jobs a bit of a nightmare to line the original pattern back up again.
<end quote>

The stretching part sounds like a bit of a worry.
What if the kite gets smashed by a wave with not quite enough force to rip it but enough to streeeeeeeeetch it?
Maybe a half a meter rip would be better than half a meter of stretched out of shape canopy?
TurtleHunter
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12 Mar 2012 5:23pm
finally something interesting.
All kites stretch just fly a new kite compared to a 2 year old kite but looking at the new north cloth I would of thought it would stretch less. The fraying when it's torn may be a bad side effect though.
As for 8 pages well the reo has 8 pages already and that thread is only about 1 kite
lotofwind
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12 Mar 2012 8:38pm
^^^^^Yeah, but its a good kite
eppo
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12 Mar 2012 7:42pm
Well it does makes sense. If the original canopy is under a greater load due to the material and construction then if it does go there will be more force released. I also can see kite repairers having an issue repairing the damaged area and yet keeping it under the same tension.

But who buys a kite for its repair ability. Yes it is a good kite.

Ps obviously the kite repairers need to upskill to meet the demands of new technology. The way the kite flies give me high tension anyday.
Mask
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12 Mar 2012 9:34pm
BWS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!
eppo
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13 Mar 2012 9:18am
Mask said...

BWS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!



You idiot mask....LOL!
NoBS
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13 Mar 2012 9:48am
It's hillarious that EPPO has contributed 46 worthless posts out of a total of 193 to this REBEL V BWS topic...

Winning!
Poida
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13 Mar 2012 2:30pm
Let go of the bar

lotofwind
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13 Mar 2012 7:22pm
Poida said...

Let go of the bar




He has, but his stretched out of shape canopy wont let his kite depower properly.
At least it hasnt ripped though.
eppo
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13 Mar 2012 6:47pm
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bjw
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14 Mar 2012 8:08am
This is like an episode of Seinfeld. It's about nothing.

Don't end this thread yet.

I like eating cheese.

Anyone care to debate this?



bjw
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14 Mar 2012 8:09am
What was James Deans famous movie?
eppo
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14 Mar 2012 7:59am
Ah very clever. No soup for you!!
winter
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14 Mar 2012 5:45pm
These pretzels are making me thirsy
bjw
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16 Mar 2012 9:33am
Cheese is better than soup and that is proven.
poor relative
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16 Mar 2012 10:05am
Creamy blue cheese is the cheese of all cheeses
mywisdom
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16 Mar 2012 2:15pm
but seriously guys..

n o r t h r e b e l.
yllek
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18 Mar 2012 11:36am
really BWS??? my mate has 1 and absolutely loved it..... until he tried the rebel.
I was on EVO'S and Rebels,I liked both, the EVO had some issues with Drift and flew like **** when it had any de-power on at all,the rebel was by far the superior kite thats until i demoed the Vegas best kite I have ever ridden by far!!! I don't get in to mowing the lawn so this is all based on riding in the surf
BTW isn't the BWS is a slightly re-tweaked REV, fair enough its not as pricey as some but it's old tech
[}:)]
eppo
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18 Mar 2012 1:17pm
Have emailed you man about the Vegas.
sammyd
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18 Mar 2012 10:29pm
One of the things a wave kite should be able to do is to relaunch even if the canopy has rolled inside the lines - 4 line kites can do this

Can some North lover please tell me what happens to their 5th line when this happens in the surf -

eppo
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18 Mar 2012 10:34pm
sammyd said...

One of the things a wave kite should be able to do is to relaunch even if the canopy has rolled inside the lines - 4 line kites can do this

Can some North lover please tell me what happens to their 5th line when this happens in the surf -






Drop your kite a lot mate, do you?
samoht
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19 Mar 2012 12:02pm
sammyd said...

One of the things a wave kite should be able to do is to relaunch even if the canopy has rolled inside the lines - 4 line kites can do this

Can some North lover please tell me what happens to their 5th line when this happens in the surf -


Is that a "pro" BWS post, or just a generally poor attempt to stir up anybody that flies a 5 line kite. (and there are a lot)

I suppose it's a bit like car crash's, it does happen. You see them occasionally, (usually driver error) you hear lots about it in the media, but not that much when you consider the number of cars on the road at any one time, and it's highlighted so that people will try and avoid them.

I continue to drive because it's a risk I am prepared to take, if I am careful, and it gets me where I want to go, weighed up against the other alternatives.

I could go by donkey and still get there, but the ride/experience would not be the same.

So buddy to avoid a minor issue that may or may not happen, you're prepared to get around on a somewhat lesser mode of transport.

Suite yourself.

(Sorry if this sounds a bit like Dave The Barman)









eppo
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19 Mar 2012 11:45am
Ah yes the fifth / fourth line debate continues on...

For a balanced view I ride with a fifth line because of performance and feel - for me that is... but there are two scenarios where I would consider not using a fifth like mr paranoid above:

1. I drop my kites in the water a lot - just learning/or just getting into waves...

2. I intend to really push the limits of my ability and more to the point the edge of what is out there - e.g.strapless SB with various I ride wakestyle tricks down 4 foot waves plus, or pulling into pipeline barrels!

But for performance and direct feel, just love the fifth line, that's it.
Mask
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19 Mar 2012 5:12pm
eppo said...

Ah yes the fifth / fourth line debate continues on...

For a balanced view I ride with a fifth line because of performance and feel - for me that is... but there are two scenarios where I would consider not using a fifth like mr paranoid above:

1. I drop my kites in the water a lot - just learning/or just getting into waves...

2. I intend to really push the limits of my ability and more to the point the edge of what is out there - e.g.strapless SB with various I ride wakestyle tricks down 4 foot waves plus, or pulling into pipeline barrels!

But for performance and direct feel, just love the fifth line, that's it.


Ha, ha. Thats right. If your lawnmowing in the waves, its fine to use a 5th line.
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