laceys lane said...

supple said...

laceys lane said...

hi, i just would like to say, my comments are about the boards them selfs and in no way is a reflection on the awesome surfing that when down."billy watson" is the best that i have seen in my opinion. he was right in it and very capable of getting that score he needed, but the wave didn't come. i would be happy to be a 1/4 as good as him and i'm NOT putting myself as some kind of gun sup er. it was purely an observation after watching a short board club comp only. also, its not a downer on shaper's, things have gone crazy even in just a year. i was just hoping for a forum on a few design ideas.
i think it's exiting times and who knows what will be surfed and the level of surfing in next years comp
cheers

I have been an avid "watcher" of this forum for quite a while and I need to make a comment and do not wish for it to sound derogitory (think thats right) but - from what I have seen you seem to go through about 5 boards a week and when you seem to have that special board you show it a week later with the fins changed or the shape altered or some other seemingly pointless alteration made to the board ! Are you just unlucky enough to be buying crap boards or are you just very very very very fussy. Please excuse my comments if you are a shaper or something and have justifiable reason to make the constant changes to the boards cos I guess then you would know what you were doing and saying. Otherwise maybe you shouldn't be advising what is wrong with boards and you should actually get yourself a decent board and ride it for more than five minutes and you will find that most good modern shapes actually do turn and surf really well.

fair enough, but i do like playing around with boards and setups, it something i've always done and enjoy it.

ps. i have copped some of stick over this. just like to talk about boards and stuff sorry if anyone is offended, it wasn't intended. this will be my last post

Crikey is this a womens make up forum?

We are talking about 'surfing' here, not Janey stealing Molly's boyfriend.

If you are fortunate enough to ride lots of boards, that's enviable. Perhaps jealousy or failure to understand (lack of ability??) how the smallest changes to a single board can make huge differences is supples motivation for taking a dig at a good bloke....

Lacey is excited and curious and wants to understand board design better. SUP is my second grommet hood as well. I wish I had to $ to do the same.

CMC said...

laceys lane said...

supple said...

laceys lane said...

hi, i just would like to say, my comments are about the boards them selfs and in no way is a reflection on the awesome surfing that when down."billy watson" is the best that i have seen in my opinion. he was right in it and very capable of getting that score he needed, but the wave didn't come. i would be happy to be a 1/4 as good as him and i'm NOT putting myself as some kind of gun sup er. it was purely an observation after watching a short board club comp only. also, its not a downer on shaper's, things have gone crazy even in just a year. i was just hoping for a forum on a few design ideas.
i think it's exiting times and who knows what will be surfed and the level of surfing in next years comp
cheers

I have been an avid "watcher" of this forum for quite a while and I need to make a comment and do not wish for it to sound derogitory (think thats right) but - from what I have seen you seem to go through about 5 boards a week and when you seem to have that special board you show it a week later with the fins changed or the shape altered or some other seemingly pointless alteration made to the board ! Are you just unlucky enough to be buying crap boards or are you just very very very very fussy. Please excuse my comments if you are a shaper or something and have justifiable reason to make the constant changes to the boards cos I guess then you would know what you were doing and saying. Otherwise maybe you shouldn't be advising what is wrong with boards and you should actually get yourself a decent board and ride it for more than five minutes and you will find that most good modern shapes actually do turn and surf really well.

fair enough, but i do like playing around with boards and setups, it something i've always done and enjoy it.

ps. i have copped some of stick over this. just like to talk about boards and stuff sorry if anyone is offended, it wasn't intended. this will be my last post

Crikey is this a womens make up forum?

We are talking about 'surfing' here, not Janey stealing Molly's boyfriend.

If you are fortunate enough to ride lots of boards, that's enviable. Perhaps jealousy or failure to understand (lack of ability??) how the smallest changes to a single board can make huge differences is supples motivation for taking a dig at a good bloke....

Lacey is excited and curious and wants to understand board design better. SUP is my second grommet hood as well. I wish I had to $ to do the same.

umm, i would like to thank those with their kind comments. i was really pi##ed off, but what do you do- give the run down on every board!!! these changes i make are thought out and consulted with dale. also most surfers try a few fin combos i have been surfing or in the water since i was three years old(dad was a an ex clubbie). i was quite often asked to try boards or fins by shapers-again, i'm not the best surfer around by a long shot, but have what i think is a good feel for a board.anyway, i'm back

now for some good news(well for me anyway) and maybe something for my mate to think about. i have been paddling a new proto type 17' for 5 months on and off( JUST A BIT MORE THAN 5 MINUTES)). it had displacement into concave with angled chimes. it's the orange one in the harvey bay race.while it was good, i felt the displacement into concave had a hump in the rocker line that was holding it back and i had been saying so for a while and after having a go on the dc14 gun with it's single to double concaves i pressed dale into selling me the board and again did a cut out- full concave and chimes all the way to the nose, so its almost a double displacement now. i got it in the creek today and it absolutely flies- fastest board i've been on

now the steering just has to be set back 4 or 5" as it's different board now
cheers

See 62Mac.... told ya if ya went around to Lacey's dressed in the Psychotic Turnbuckles outfit and belted out a a few riffs it would make him re-live his Playroom days, get all warm and fuzzy and he would be right as rain again. Man .. you are such a true friend to him .....!!!

Any pics? Let us know how it goes in the ocean with some swell. You might miss that displacement nose.

mikeman said...

Welcome back, Mate.

You did what to the DC17?!!! Let's take a few LD boards out into the deep blue and see how it goes...

hey mike, we are rushing the the refit steering so dale and myself can get a paddle today or tomorrow. dale is holding off his board design till then. i'm really keen to get some more outside experience.got my bridge to bridge and back down to just under 52 min, unde 50 min is my aim, but it the ocean were it's real jed, i caught some waves and runners in the creek mouth and it seems all good, i know it's a lot easier to handle already. i also reduced the rudder lenght by 20mm which seems to have made the board i bit more livelier.also we have found some stainless steel fittings for the rudder section that make fitting off a lot easier( less work, no engineering shops needed )
cheers

My two cents...there is going to end up being a big gap between what the guys competing and your average guy is riding...26' is gonna be a pain in ass for most people but the narrower and shorter you go the hard and more critical your turns will get...most people riding short boards would not surf as well on one of Kellys and Micks board's but would still be able to surf....same thing with SUP's but the gap is going to end up alot wider....longer boards are always going to draw longer lines and as a result the critical turns in under and around the lip are going to look different....every waves a canvas whoever holds the brush draws the lines

CMC said...

laceys lane said...

mikeman said...

Welcome back, Mate.

You did what to the DC17?!!! Let's take a few LD boards out into the deep blue and see how it goes...

hey mike, we are rushing the the refit steering so dale and myself can get a paddle today or tomorrow. dale is holding off his board design till then. i'm really keen to get some more outside experience.got my bridge to bridge and back down to just under 52 min, unde 50 min is my aim, but it the ocean were it's real jed, i caught some waves and runners in the creek mouth and it seems all good, i know it's a lot easier to handle already. i also reduced the rudder lenght by 20mm which seems to have made the board i bit more livelier.also we have found some stainless steel fittings for the rudder section that make fitting off a lot easier( less work, no engineering shops needed )
cheers

Hey Lacey, which bridge to bridge? GC Highway to back highway? Or GC Highway to the bridge at Galleon way?

we usually park at winders, have small warm up to to the bridge at the boat shed and then go to wents bridge( i think thats what it's called) and back. jacko tells me it's 8 ks.i used to include turn around, but one of the guy's doesn't, so we go with that. i have only started take water with me, have a good drink to the bridge, paddle up to wents, have some more water then back. as soon as i cross the finish, more water. having water intake i believe makes a difference. it's strange, we were all sitting a 55 mins for ages, then i had a pretty good run, cracked just under 52. next day, another bloke scored perfect conditions and got just under 51. now, we expect 52 in reasonable conditions. pretty shot the next day after doing that i can tell you
we don't all ways paddle for a time
cheers

I just worked that out, means the boat would be going an average of 24km/hr. I was told 6 k's. I am sure that it's not that far........ surely you dont travel that quick? It seems like a fair way though as you end up near that big ugly white mansion house on 19th Ave all of the way from Talle creek bridge, how far would that be???

One thing I am certain of though, you are happy to arrive and have a break.

Advice? more like my own opinion. try as many boards as you can get hold off and find one that suits you for what you want it for.
Each board design comes into its own in the right conditions.

laceys lane said...

CMC said...

I just worked that out, means the boat would be going an average of 24km/hr. I was told 6 k's. I am sure that it's not that far........ surely you dont travel that quick? It seems like a fair way though as you end up near that big ugly white mansion house on 19th Ave all of the way from Talle creek bridge, how far would that be???

One thing I am certain of though, you are happy to arrive and have a break.

gee, i don't think a person could standup paddle that fast. i'm told it's 8ks. so what the formula?i see it as 6 and a half mins to paddle a k. anyway, i was happy to take 3 mins of my pb

Lacey/ I don't think an OC6 can paddle that fast either. Perhaps it is a shorter distance or under those times the tide and wind were assisting beyond belief.

Simon/ I respect experience, taking advice from people that have more of it than you and applying it in your own way is the only way you learn in any situation. Thanks mate, I am sure I'll pick your brain again before I do anything.

supple said...

I have been an avid "watcher" of this forum for quite a while and I need to make a comment and do not wish for it to sound derogitory (think thats right) but - from what I have seen you seem to go through about 5 boards a week and when you seem to have that special board you show it a week later with the fins changed or the shape altered or some other seemingly pointless alteration made to the board ! Are you just unlucky enough to be buying crap boards or are you just very very very very fussy. Please excuse my comments if you are a shaper or something and have justifiable reason to make the constant changes to the boards cos I guess then you would know what you were doing and saying. Otherwise maybe you shouldn't be advising what is wrong with boards and you should actually get yourself a decent board and ride it for more than five minutes and you will find that most good modern shapes actually do turn and surf really well.

How subtle of you supple. Good observation....

I think there are distinctions in this discussion.

Rail to rail is a very functional way to build speed in smaller, less powerful waves.

Be careful tho rider to vary the turns and thro in sup turns on the paddle or you are will be short boarding a sup.

On waves that are powerful a good takeoff and good bottom turn are important.

Think Chopu and Waimea.

Both places require a specific board that is unique.

Think also positioning. A skilled rider will get in early deep on the peak on a bigger heavier board and then use momentum and swing weight. This skilled rider may also be good enough to surf light small boards in the rail to rail style. That is if that style suits them and there body bio mechanics fits to the syle.

Think Parko style carve compared to fanning rail flash speed.

Its a good point rail to rail tho its only part of the picture.

A functional style depends on wave charachter, individual style, individual skill, body biomecanics, equipment choice.

Those that combine these in in the right mix will look great.

Stuart Murray

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some good points. when casso, goatman, jacko and some of the roar crew and myself surfed 4 footish reasonably shaped alley one sunday, there were long walls with sections dropping down' i had a lot of shortboarders i know telling me for weeks after they were impressed with the cranked turns being laid down. so i guess those waves that day suited sups better. i feel even though sups can get cr#p waves, they really don't shine until about 4' plus

Oh yeah - welcome back Laceys lane. Are you taking the p#ss with this last comment or are you delusional ? Sups dont shine until its 4ft ???

Well supple, This is my take , I guarantee, your wrong on one of your comments. Lacey of late has been riding DC's boards and working with one
of the best shapers in OZ, call it product development if you like,I call it working close with your shaper in search of performance and progression.

mac

supple said...

Sorry mate - didn't realize that laceys lane was a dc team rider. Guess I was a bit out of line then questioning the credentials of one of australias best shapers team riders.

You are taking the p-ss. Thanks for that, conversation over.

mac