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Speed Loop again... but this time it's for real :) !

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Created by Manuel7 5 months ago, 8 Jun 2017
Manuel7
111 posts
30 Aug 2017 12:40AM
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Finally, yesterday with some good wind for a change, I was able to accomplish a major change in my loops. After about 2 hours to backslapping, jump and launch type of attempts, I knew I had to stop these parasite jumps before throwing the sail. So I try to launch forward, off of a small wave at small speeds, extending my arm fully before clearing the fin and the board just followed.


The rotation felt much smoother, easier and I landed in a much more manageable position. Unfortunately it was after 2 hours of pretty good winds and I was spent. Still I pulled 3 attempts like this, they all were very similar and only lacked speed and height to waterstart away.


For the first time I was also able to do 3 attempts that looked very similar and not so wobbly or uncertain. I didn't have fear going into them because for some reason I got used to throwing the move while still on the water. It's an odd feeling to start getting pulled while still on the water but the board just follows and it's actually easier to tuck the board below me.


I have a strong feeling that my next try might actually end up in landed loop!

Manuel7
111 posts
11 Sep 2017 11:38PM
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Ok lots of news, first of all Irma decided to pass by and shut off the wind for a bit.
Then it took down my windsurfing center !

Approaching:



Aftermath:











And now that Irma is gone... back to the forwards... woah 13-29 knots mostly 16-26 and on 4.5 I wasn't super comfortable.
Yet I tried 20 fronts and about 10 backies. On the forwards, I was so close to land a couple but kinda ran into a lull and with my shy speed it didn't happen.
I had immense bails especially when everything connected I dediced to not go, darn! but I can see progress especially given the tough conditions.
I noticed that I lack confidence to sheet in, that's a biggie, by fear of rotation too fast and landing hard. So I don't sheet in hard, nor move my back hand back enough and I land heavily on my back as a result.

I did land one where my gear spun around and set up in front of me as opposed to upwind of me, that felt really good.
These tough windy conditions though are where we make the most progress. A year or so ago, I would have probably not tried much.

I was a bit surprised because the forecast called for 1.8m 15s waves from Jos? but they never really turned out.
Mostly the next day when the wind just shut down.

Now Friday on, everything looks really good especially Saturday on, 18 knots, with small waves, perfect for a chicken like me!
With over 400 attempts, 500 must be the new magic number but it needs to happen in September!

Dar
61 posts
12 Sep 2017 9:31PM
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Don't know if you have seen this but I am sure it will inspire you so that you can go for it!!!

Manuel7
111 posts
13 Sep 2017 1:24AM
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This saddens me a bit Dar as this video is the first one I reference in my loop quest blog ;) !!!

Funnily, I was thinking about this video while sailing and that amazingly this guy doesn't land them. But yet some land them on their first day of trying? I just don't get this move?!? Fascinating. This guy is trying them in beautiful conditions though, still the commitment is nuts with nearly full endo loops. And again he can't land them (or wasn't able to).

My tries seem like total chicken tries in comparison.
Here is my latest album... I'm one step beyond this album but not by much anyway.

www.facebook.com/Manus-Windsurfing-Blog-204083476593704/photos/?tab=album&album_id=513055989029783

Teaser:

Dar
61 posts
14 Sep 2017 2:28PM
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Hey Manuel... don't stress.... you are so close. It took me a couple of attempts but once you get it it is actually a very easy move.

Go big, go high, look back and yank that back hand with all you have!

I'm waiting.

BSN101
WA, 912 posts
14 Sep 2017 7:57PM
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Dar said..
Hey Manuel... don't stress.... you are so close. It took me a couple of attempts but once you get it it is actually a very easy move.

Go big, go high, look back and yank that back hand with all you have!

I'm waiting.


keep the feet attached or you will never land one.

Cant wait to hear ya after the first one sticks.

Manuel7
111 posts
14 Sep 2017 8:59PM
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Thanks guys, worked really hard on this session. It was after I understood to extend my arm before leaving the water but didn't lead to success anyway! I had a virus and my attempts were not 100% hence the high number of bails despite the quite friendly conditions.

My last session was more hardcore (but more sick!), yet got some nice attempts. I do have this overrotating fear but when I look at overrotated ones, they seem to take a lot to happen which would not be my case given how I "protect" myself when trying them.

Manuel7
111 posts
18 Sep 2017 11:55AM
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Well, as the wind has been gone and that we are now waiting for Maria I can't really work on anything except... in the pool! (yeah I know, rough life... anyway :D !)

Indeed, it's quite interesting since I believe each move where there's a rotation such as 360, front flip, back flip, etc, it's difficult to know where we are through the rotation as things spin around us pretty rapidly. So I find the mental work has some similarities. We need to understand that at some point we won't know what's going on, like a leap of faith once into the move. I was actually surprised to feel how it could help with learning front loop windsurfing.

That said, the front flip is quite a bit easier as elements are nice and still! There's a light mental work and a technique to figure out. I haven't tried backflips or side flips but I'm going to. It's cool to notice that the first 4-5 tries feel pretty good and then we get tired and don't improve that much. Again similar to working on front loops. The difference is that on the water it's much harder to get good tries (even more so on some spots) since the conditions and kit vary so much.

Some interesting videos...







Manuel7
111 posts
21 Sep 2017 10:56PM
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Introducing... Maria, Cat 3.

Manuel7
111 posts
22 Sep 2017 8:16AM
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While round 1 was at high tide, waves reaching up and destroying the beach... winds lower but 20-30-40 knots.
Round 2 was at low tide, waves stay farther out but winds reach 60 knots+ and was a a bit scary!

Manuel7
111 posts
28 Sep 2017 12:11AM
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Finally, the wind is back and lots of it, 20-30 knots, quite overpowered. Had about 20 attempts between yesterday and the day before.
I'm not staying tucked in all the way, need to work on that. Afraid of spinning too fast but it really shouldn't be a concern!
Anyway, taking so loooooooong!

John340
QLD, 1684 posts
28 Sep 2017 11:45AM
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I'm sorry, I know its childish, but I can't resist:

"Are we there yet"

Manuel7
111 posts
30 Sep 2017 11:19AM
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I am at the trying to waterstart away stage... no luck yet!

Manuel7
111 posts
30 Sep 2017 11:50PM
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Watch out... top comparison !!!!!

Same day, same ramp (exactly same spot), same timing on the ramp, same conditions, same everything, hardly do better to compare the forwards!

Tiki, front loop expert (landed in 1 day, or so he says):
- Sail sheeted out
- Straight arms
- Hands above head level

Manu, loop beginner aspiring to land them (near 600 attempts):
- Sail sheeted in
- Bent arms
- Hands at shoulder level



Voil?, here I have all the day I need to understand how to turn them faster...
Yesterday in 20 tentatives, I tried waterstarting 5 times in the straps, no luck, just nearly drowned ;) Quite tired from the previous sessions, my brain was a little foggy.

Do you see other things in the photos?

Manuel7
111 posts
5 Oct 2017 4:31AM
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One landing yesterday where I had to leave the straps but waterstarted away without letting go of the boom. A few decent ones but not enough wind / tuck to stay in the straps swimming to waterstart.

So I'm getting there but still missing a few things I think. The nose of my board is still slowing down the rotation. Sheeting in hard helps, staying tucked helps, leaning forward helps but there I tend to oversheet before the pop and prevent the board from releasing better. A bit hard to explain.

Anyway, one more good session tomorrow and then I go on a break. Hoping for more waterstarts and maybe one while staying in the straps so help me God :D

EDIT: I forgot to mention that it's been interesting to see the increased rotation with each session regardless of being sick, having to deal with tough conditions, etc, each session seems to a touch better than the past one. That is very encouraging when sometimes we might feel like we make "no" progress, there seems to be always some progress :)

Manuel7
111 posts
5 Oct 2017 10:47AM
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Spent way too much time to putting this together..., off of chop, since I'm too scared on a proper wave where I tend not to commit as much.

Manuel7
111 posts
6 Oct 2017 10:19AM
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Huge conditions on my last session before a well-deserved break! Side to side-off, 3-4m waves nice and powerful, 16-26 knots, 5.0 (well powered with y 67kgs) First time I felt such a blast of wind coming out of the eye of a wave.

2 days prior my friend has noticed a large dark grey sharkie looking beast. He is used to surfing with them and got a bit spooked. Great !!!

We were 4, only locals. After crossing a mean looking reef, jumping probably as high as I have ever jumped, I chose this 2m ramp to throw a forward in front of my buddies... gotta go for it, yes-no, HUUUUGE forward attempt, not sure what happened or whether the 5.0 surprised me (hadn't sailed it over 20 knots in a long time) , but I didn't sheet in, still I'm hanging on, upside down, time stops, I think of my wife and 2 daughters, everything must have an end... then I drop and slap down on my back, wow... CRAYZY!!!

Then I wanted to try another one fast before the fear creeps back. Turned around, got some great rides on these beautiful stunning waves. And on my way back out tried another spin loop. Only this time it was much more manageable, the gear spun around nicely without losing momentum. Upon landing the gear did something that happened once before, it spun all the way until beam reach!!! Perfect for a waterstart, the sail catches a bit but too light !! Darn... I get off the straps and get up immediately after, wow, still pretty good!

The wind drops a bit and it's now a strong surf sailing session, we ride until we can hardly move and head back to shore. Some of us get rinsed in the powerful shorebreak. I drop and get shoved in shallow waters but not too bad. Nothing damaged.

I get to shore and there I look at my cam, it's turned off? Weird... well it was full of water! The small door must have gotten open somehow. So no photos/videos just a nice little write-up!

Seems like the waterstart in the straps is right there. Maybe a 43 y/o bday gift :)

Dar
61 posts
9 Oct 2017 9:44PM
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Much easier when you go higher! Sounds like you have it nailed now?

Manuel7
111 posts
11 Oct 2017 6:56AM
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It does sound like the waterstarts are happening faster and faster. Every time I went out I could see a slight improvement. On one session I focused solely on sheeting in, just that, of course with the intent to try to loop. Maybe it freed up the last bit of rotation I needed.



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