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Speed Loop again... but this time it's for real :) !

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Created by Manuel7 > 9 months ago, 8 Jun 2017
geared4knots
TAS, 2352 posts
28 Jul 2018 7:17AM
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Manuel,

would be great if you did the same posts when you learn on Port tack

mathew
VIC, 1629 posts
28 Jul 2018 8:00AM
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Manawa said..
Hi guys thanks again much apprecitated, I am a good jumper but I don't know if try again speed loop or as soon as possible forward loop on the sea, why? because of my age 47 years old , I am able to surfing Oneye sometime I try a back loop but...... front loop is a big problem mha...


pussy maybe?



A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.

Manuel7
171 posts
29 Jul 2018 7:56AM
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mathew said..

A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.


Depends... was much much easier for me. Technically and psychologically.


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geared4knots said..
Manuel,

would be great if you did the same posts when you learn on Port tack


I can at least mirror the images. I've been wanting to try a few (and I believe it's good practice anyway) on Port. Reason I am not trying as often is because I want to save energy for good starboard attempts. It's also a bit messy and more downslope on the way back...

Back at it in 2 weeks!

mathew
VIC, 1629 posts
30 Jul 2018 5:27PM
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Manuel7 said..

mathew said..

A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.



Depends... was much much easier for me. Technically and psychologically.


Not depends... the pro's are doign stalled double's, yet no double-backies.... and when SQ says she hasn't got it nailed, then it must be harder.

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Manawa
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30 Jul 2018 5:55PM
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mathew said..

Manawa said..
Hi guys thanks again much apprecitated, I am a good jumper but I don't know if try again speed loop or as soon as possible forward loop on the sea, why? because of my age 47 years old , I am able to surfing Oneye sometime I try a back loop but...... front loop is a big problem mha...



pussy maybe?



A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.


This video is top ahahah thanks again very nice super ;)

gorgesailor
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31 Jul 2018 1:39AM
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mathew said..

Manuel7 said..


mathew said..

A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.




Depends... was much much easier for me. Technically and psychologically.



Not depends... the pro's are doign stalled double's, yet no double-backies.... and when SQ says she hasn't got it nailed, then it must be harder.

?t=1139


And when Manual says they are easier... How many has he landed vs attempts? From what I have seen once you get the Forward they are easy.... but backies... well.... you might land a few, just because you can almost accidentally but to stick them consistently is another matter...

geared4knots
TAS, 2352 posts
31 Jul 2018 9:51PM
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gorgesailor said..

mathew said..


Manuel7 said..



mathew said..

A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.





Depends... was much much easier for me. Technically and psychologically.




Not depends... the pro's are doign stalled double's, yet no double-backies.... and when SQ says she hasn't got it nailed, then it must be harder.

?t=1139



And when Manual says they are easier... How many has he landed vs attempts? From what I have seen once you get the Forward they are easy.... but backies... well.... you might land a few, just because you can almost accidentally but to stick them consistently is another matter...


Have to agree,
tried 400 plus easily backs no luck.
forwards sorted on both tacks with much less effort

Manuel7
171 posts
1 Aug 2018 1:00AM
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Also depends on your conditions.

If conditions are good for backloops, I usually land 2. My Max is 3 really close to landing 5. That's out of 10-12 attempts? Lately I've been going for medium to big ones since I found a way to bail mid jump no problem coming in at full speed :D !!!

For me, there's much much less to do than in a front loop, especially a speed loop.

The way I see it is that the backloop is all about positioning ourselves over a specific part of the wave (where it breaks). Then pretty much everything happens by itself without us doing much at all. Heck, we may even stay hooked in!

On the contrary a front loop can be set off over nearly any section of a wave but involves a perfectly timed body action.

There could also be a debate over how a jump is landed. One can get away with a sloppy landing and odd sheeting angle on a forward but pretty unlikely on a backie.

Another interesting factor, I have been able to try 15 forwards per session no matter the conditions, that's very rare for backies. It's often more like 2-3 to 12. Sometimes 0.

I have zero experience with pushloops but from what I heard those are easier to land than backies. Can be learned with only a few attempts. See push loop challenge from windsurfing TV as an example.

Ken29
WA, 24 posts
4 Aug 2018 7:04PM
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Ive been following this thread for a while and decided to start my own loop journey this year. I took the Wymaroo method like you Manuel. I was finally able to land one and waterstart away so hope that means im going in the right direction.

Manuel7
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4 Aug 2018 7:10PM
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Ken29 said..
Ive been following this thread for a while and decided to start my own loop journey this year. I took the Wymaroo method like you Manuel. I was finally able to land one and waterstart away so hope that means im going in the right direction.



uh? that's such a beautiful sail projection, wow! awesome! You'll be mastering late forwards in no time at all!

azymuth
WA, 425 posts
5 Aug 2018 10:26AM
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Ken29 said..
Ive been following this thread for a while and decided to start my own loop journey this year. I took the Wymaroo method like you Manuel. I was finally able to land one and waterstart away so hope that means im going in the right direction.



Nice one Kenny

mathew
VIC, 1629 posts
Wednesday , 8 Aug 2018 6:37PM
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Ken29 said..
Ive been following this thread for a while and decided to start my own loop journey this year. I took the Wymaroo method like you Manuel. I was finally able to land one and waterstart away so hope that means im going in the right direction.


very nice ... that can be used in a training video !

a) move your back hand very far back ( you can see it at about 4 seconds in - just as Ken waterstarted )
b) looking back ( at about 2 seconds )
b) the sail is projected forward and opening it up, to remove the mast-foot pressure and get some pop
c) Ken is standing up tall, over the board.
... the rest is just going along enjoying the ride

geared4knots
TAS, 2352 posts
Wednesday , 8 Aug 2018 8:02PM
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Good luck, and hope you get it sorted soon.

Manuel7
171 posts
Tuesday , 14 Aug 2018 2:39AM
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One of my most recent tries... feedback?

I'd say my sail is a bit too sheeted in (with the board) et not enough across when popping, maybe body a bit too outboard too?



Not tucked enough and I feel like I'm not using all of the sail's power to whip around fast, I'm "falling" too much.




Found maybe my best one yet:

LeLex
NSW, 42 posts
Yesterday , 14 Aug 2018 8:26AM
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Jman said..
Looking good just throw the rig forward!!!



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gorgesailor said..
Good to see you back at it in earnest! However.... look at your arms! ... still seem much too bent...


I think you have the answers in all the previous comments
Roy had shared a good link on (page 1) that shows the front arm extending forward and up...


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Roy said..
+1 for being too far back (although Im definitely no forward expert!)

Check out this video around 3min mark, it might give you some good tips.



I am no expert either but for me doing lots of 'judo' forward roll extending the arm out has help a lot with the confidence back on the water afterwards (and the good thing is that you can practise forward roll everyday if you want...get a crash mat and practise at home )



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