Grantmac said..
The Makani doesn't look very impressive with shapes like the Flow coming out unless there is some magic I'm not seeing.

I have a feeling that the Reflex design of the Flow D-Wing just made all the rest obsolete...even the ones not out yet like the Gongs.

hilly said..

To depower the BRM you don't want to fly off the front lines like he is saying in this video. What you want to do is bring the Parawing into a higher angle of attack by pulling on the back of the bar. The Parawing will start to stall and release pressure. The sweet spot for this is small but it's totally doable.

With the Flow D being half the price of the BRM Maliko here in Oz it's an easy decision to make. So easy that with the current Flow D orders at our local it will triple the number of parawings on the water.

@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out

Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out

Just managed to purchase a BRM 2.9 locally. Get it Monday will report back after a few attempts.

and this is how you stow it

www.instagram.com/reel/DEYOREFTkqL/?igsh=MWl6aTcxeWI2ZTNuMQ==

eppo said..
and this is how you stow it

www.instagram.com/reel/DEYOREFTkqL/?igsh=MWl6aTcxeWI2ZTNuMQ==

By shoving it under your rashie? I didn't need a video for that.

CFL Foiler said..
.... I highly suspect the Flow is stable because the canopy is always under tension no matter the bar trim, which means it has less depower range than the BRM. .....

I think you've got all that back to front.

The reflex profile on the D-Wing means the rear lines can be completely unloaded and the wing can come as far forward as it needs to. The reflex automatically counters any tendency to collapse.

A classic profile the opposite happens. The wing comes forward, the A-lines carry less load and the wing collapses. Tensioning the rear lines can make it worse.

The downside of the reflex profile is the wing is a bit less efficient. The D-Wing makes up for that with slightly more size and a more substantial leading edge.

Gorgo said..

CFL Foiler said..
.... I highly suspect the Flow is stable because the canopy is always under tension no matter the bar trim, which means it has less depower range than the BRM. .....

I think you've got all that back to front.

The reflex profile on the D-Wing means the rear lines can be completely unloaded and the wing can come as far forward as it needs to. The reflex automatically counters any tendency to collapse.

A classic profile the opposite happens. The wing comes forward, the A-lines carry less load and the wing collapses. Tensioning the rear lines can make it worse.

The downside of the reflex profile is the wing is a bit less efficient. The D-Wing makes up for that with slightly more size and a more substantial leading edge.

Just coming from my experience with the BRM parawing and the bridle mod as well as previous experience on my flysurfer peaks. Prior to the mod the BRM was stable on the front lines similar to the flow but it didn't have much depower range. The mod removed a connection from the front and middle lines to the rear of the kite which allowed it to fly more off the front lines. This greatly increased the depower but it does allow it to get into the unstable mode that is shown in the comparison video. I could be wrong but I suspect the Flow might have similar depower to the BRM in the pre modified bridle configuration.
Flysurfer peaks flap like crazy when depowered because the rear of the canopy is not under tension. This likely would not work for a parafoil canopy because of stability concerns but it worked great for a kite.
Don't get me wrong though, the instability is not great, but it's pretty easy to avoid with proper trim.

hilly said..
Novice parawing pilot here but my 2.9 seemed to fly pretty well in 10 knots. No idea if it has the mod or not.

Yes, it's modded.

eppo said..

hilly said..

Youngbreezy said..

hilly said..

Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out

No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought

Yeah that sucks a bit because we will be at the tail end of the windy season for WA when it gets delivered, I will still probably order one anyway

Best downwind run near me is Eagle Bay to Dunsborough on a NW wind in winter. Straight downwind and swell so the wing is a PITA hence the parawing. Other runs close are not straight downwind so the wing is fine. I hope to get the skills up before that.

Me too so i can join you !!

Parawing creche redgate to prev today

hilly said..
First session today on BRM 2.9. You need a lot of wind for the 2.9 but not too much. Very narrow power band. Flys very poorly when over powered. Definitely a downwind tool.

Respectfully disagree and I encourage you to have a few more sessions because once you work it out a bit more you'll absolutely love it. Essentially you need to point the board more upwind to absorb the power and release it when gust passes. Concentrate on riding the foil and try not to constantly change the kite. Harness is absolute must and needs to be set up well. You can try and utilise the roll axis as well as yaw to hold the edge which allows you to absorb so much power. Gusting well over 25 knots today and thought my 2.9m was stable as can be and comfortably rocketing upwind. Rode the same spot for two hours and flagging out close one to two minutes over and over. Definitely an upwind tool IMHO.

Sheps said..Rode the same spot for two hours and flagging out close one to two minutes over and over. Definitely an upwind tool IMHO.

That's what I want to do. I use a harness it certainly helps I found if I got the wing anywhere near the edge of the window all hell would break loose. Collapsing, going inside out and flapping violently. Then I would use the back lines to control the wing it powered up and headed off downwind overpowered. Lots to learn

Second attempt. not enough wind too small foil however I got up and went upwind. All good.