MidAtlanticFoil said..

Waterkooled said..
Looks great ! But another vid not showing on his first attempt to get on foil a continuous take-off, why ? Am i the only one to think he fell and got tangled up in the lines ?
Lets see vids of continuous take- offs like we do with our wings .
And again nothing against Brm its the way the vids only show the good side and not what could happen to a " real person " trying to use the sail .

Here's a winger's perspective filming SupaDry's first go. You can see him starting and taking off, but the cam kinda circles around and he's up by then:

www.instagram.com/reel/C-mT1m5RqWj/?igsh=MXh4d3o3ZDhlcTc3OA==

That real life video makes me wonder if I'd have the skills to ride it - seems pretty hard to manage until you're all balanced. I guess using the small wing it's pretty windy out there. Maybe just a learning curve like winging but I hope more average joes post some footage. In the meantime I have an big old tent fly, a builders stringline & 2 upcoming rainy days to try something out :-)

-GKh

6m in the flesh. Looks like more of a handful to pack up while riding
www.instagram.com/stories/bu_foil/3436312960929007379?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=eW91M3hmNXd4bDg2

I had a go on my 4M in winds 12-20mph. I'm 66kgs, went with my 85L Armstrong DW v1 board. First tried the ha1080 and couldn't quite get on foil. Swapped out to the 1350apf and was able to get up on my strong stance pretty quick. Cruised upwind easy! Flying with one arm also felt very easy. The wind was really fluky so I had a lot of trouble nailing my gybes. Definitely would have been on a 5M standard wing, but would have been with a 4m wing with that same setup.

Some notes:

-the parawing gets heavy when water gets trapped in it. I could envision a scary wipeout in waves getting tangled up, so a vaikobi or impact vest is probably a good call taking the stress out of that situation.

-Nose of my board kept getting through the lines when pointing downwind and getting things sorted
Felt like a bit of a beginner until I was on foil then I felt money, but back to beginner when I couldn't get back on my weak side and had to paddle back the majority of the way.

-Standing makes things a lot easier so starting on a bigger board will be the call moving forward for me unless I'm really powered.

-Imagine getting on foil without pumping the wing.thats kinda how it felt, although you can give it some tugs to help.

-When things go wrong, you lose all support from the wing so I spilled off the upwind rail a lot (insert loud curses)

- head went through the lines a few times while flying the wing and getting to knees (think stink bug). No real drama though.
this was all in a pretty tame spot. Definitely will have to treat this a bit like my early days winging and not leave a lot of exposure DW until I have it sorted. Stoked though!

MidAtlanticFoil said..
I had a go on my 4M in winds 12-20mph. I'm 66kgs, went with my 85L Armstrong DW v1 board. First tried the ha1080 and couldn't quite get on foil. Swapped out to the 1350apf and was able to get up on my strong stance pretty quick. Cruised upwind easy! Flying with one arm also felt very easy. The wind was really fluky so I had a lot of trouble nailing my gybes. Definitely would have been on a 5M standard wing, but would have been with a 4m wing with that same setup.

Some notes:

-the parawing gets heavy when water gets trapped in it. I could envision a scary wipeout in waves getting tangled up, so a vaikobi or impact vest is probably a good call taking the stress out of that situation.

-Nose of my board kept getting through the lines when pointing downwind and getting things sorted
Felt like a bit of a beginner until I was on foil then I felt money, but back to beginner when I couldn't get back on my weak side and had to paddle back the majority of the way.

-Standing makes things a lot easier so starting on a bigger board will be the call moving forward for me unless I'm really powered.

-Imagine getting on foil without pumping the wing.thats kinda how it felt, although you can give it some tugs to help.

-When things go wrong, you lose all support from the wing so I spilled off the upwind rail a lot (insert loud curses)

- head went through the lines a few times while flying the wing and getting to knees (think stink bug). No real drama though.
this was all in a pretty tame spot. Definitely will have to treat this a bit like my early days winging and not leave a lot of exposure DW until I have it sorted. Stoked though!

yeh your experience matches what i realistically thought having ridden bridled kites back in the day. But reckon it may be worth it.

cornwallis said..
... also underpowered is tricky because you can only pump the foil not the wing

foilthegreats said..

-GKh

In the JD Followcam video, Greg is definitely pumping the wing to get going.

I suppose the difference is you can't muscle it like an inflatable wing. It's going to take some finesse to get the most out of it.

Ok, I have 2.9 & 4m with belt on the way. My plan is to use the monoline 20" or 30" with the ride engine hook on the belt. What's the feedback so far on harness lines? My use case is to drive upwind, stow and ride the swells back for a few KM.

wingding said..

foilthegreats said..
Ok, I have 2.9 & 4m with belt on the way. My plan is to use the monoline 20" or 30" with the ride engine hook on the belt. What's the feedback so far on harness lines? My use case is to drive upwind, stow and ride the swells back for a few KM.

Does Greg supply a harness line/loop with the kit? I'm a bit surprised that at this price point that he didn't throw in a slider hook and loop of dyneema....

Greg includes a pair of velcro loop doodads that are prime for a bit of 3-6mm dyneema line. I tried my kitesurfing.com stretchy dyneema line and it tied on well by itself, by my maiden voyage didn't warrant its use.
I think the monoline style will be too bulky and make the pack up too difficult. Gotta go minimalist to the max with some small line.

got my 5.1m and have only flown it on the beach. so these comments are from one day only and first time. a storm was coming by and the wind averaged about 18 with much higher gusts. tons of power in the wing. i found it near impossible to retract the wing without it looping into a mess or collapsing into the sand. i packed it up (badly) and waited for the storm to pass. then it was about 7-13 mph thereafter. The wing was all tangled up and it took about 5 minutes to get it sorted. so lesson one: be careful putting the wing away. i know this from my Peak flying years and once you have a method, no problem. but i still couldn't retract the wing 'gracefully' in the much lighter winds. if anyone has one of these in the bigger sizes, please let me know your tips on retraction. deployment was never a problem. videos show guys grabbing the wing itself, but i doubt that's possible on the bigger sizes. all methods of grabbing the bridals just didn't work for me...but again...day one.

beached57 said..
got my 5.1m and have only flown it on the beach. so these comments are from one day only and first time. a storm was coming by and the wind averaged about 18 with much higher gusts. tons of power in the wing. i found it near impossible to retract the wing without it looping into a mess or collapsing into the sand. i packed it up (badly) and waited for the storm to pass. then it was about 7-13 mph thereafter. The wing was all tangled up and it took about 5 minutes to get it sorted. so lesson one: be careful putting the wing away. i know this from my Peak flying years and once you have a method, no problem. but i still couldn't retract the wing 'gracefully' in the much lighter winds. if anyone has one of these in the bigger sizes, please let me know your tips on retraction. deployment was never a problem. videos show guys grabbing the wing itself, but i doubt that's possible on the bigger sizes. all methods of grabbing the bridals just didn't work for me...but again...day one.

This is what I was wary of in bigger sizes,however day 1 so little early for assessment,but sure like to hear your day 2-3-4 reviews if you get some wind please keep us posted thanks

tillasurfer said..
want to use it with my foil drive to extend sessions, and have a backup if things go south. Last season I got pretty good with my 8m navigating 20 knot winds, so hopefully being overpowered is not a bad thing with this setup. I love being able to be pulled up like a water skier, versus the pump method with smaller wings, which I still enjoy. Just tired of blow up wings. My 6 meter has become a boon to me.. I have had to replace the strut at least 3 times in the last 10 sessions, so If this thing replaces that just for winging.. will be a win for me. I primarily run dw boards in the 8 foot range as well, and like the variety of disciplines foiling offers. Lakes, rivers, ocean, and surfing in the swell- small days only. lol.

Ummm, you're going to use them independently right? Foil Drive and Bridles seem like a really bad mix. Why not just Foil Drive? The big appeal to me is not needing the heavy FD if I give this a go. FD would still be for the glassy or light wind days.
Different strokes for different folks though. Curious to hear your first impressions of the 6m.

CFL Foiler said..

tillasurfer said..
want to use it with my foil drive to extend sessions, and have a backup if things go south. Last season I got pretty good with my 8m navigating 20 knot winds, so hopefully being overpowered is not a bad thing with this setup. I love being able to be pulled up like a water skier, versus the pump method with smaller wings, which I still enjoy. Just tired of blow up wings. My 6 meter has become a boon to me.. I have had to replace the strut at least 3 times in the last 10 sessions, so If this thing replaces that just for winging.. will be a win for me. I primarily run dw boards in the 8 foot range as well, and like the variety of disciplines foiling offers. Lakes, rivers, ocean, and surfing in the swell- small days only. lol.

Ummm, you're going to use them independently right? Foil Drive and Bridles seem like a really bad mix. Why not just Foil Drive? The big appeal to me is not needing the heavy FD if I give this a go. FD would still be for the glassy or light wind days.
Different strokes for different folks though. Curious to hear your first impressions of the 6m.

I am super comfortable with my fd. For some reason I enjoy winging with it just to get up on smaller foils. Using the fd alone is fine, but I usually tear through the battery super quick in the ocean with a paddle. I agree, having the light factor is a huge appeal, but love the versatility of the fd to help me ease into a new style of foiling. I only use the fd for starts and stability. Getting some speed then deploying may aid in the jolt hopefully.

beached57 said..
got my 5.1m and have only flown it on the beach. so these comments are from one day only and first time. a storm was coming by and the wind averaged about 18 with much higher gusts. tons of power in the wing. i found it near impossible to retract the wing without it looping into a mess or collapsing into the sand. i packed it up (badly) and waited for the storm to pass. then it was about 7-13 mph thereafter. The wing was all tangled up and it took about 5 minutes to get it sorted. so lesson one: be careful putting the wing away. i know this from my Peak flying years and once you have a method, no problem. but i still couldn't retract the wing 'gracefully' in the much lighter winds. if anyone has one of these in the bigger sizes, please let me know your tips on retraction. deployment was never a problem. videos show guys grabbing the wing itself, but i doubt that's possible on the bigger sizes. all methods of grabbing the bridals just didn't work for me...but again...day one.

We need more videos of tangled up parawings and seeing the art of untangling. All we've been seeing are slick videos of perfect deployment and retracting.

I'm not ready to spend over 1000 dollars to sit and untangle lines for 5 minutes or longer. My kids tangle up lines.. like fishing rods etc and I f***ing hate untangling :-D :-D the last thing I need during my 'me time' is to sit there untangling

Maybe that Robby Naish image with the umbrella isn't a bad idea and needs more looking into!

DWF said..
A 3m trainer kite with boom is $240. Just tie the lines off shorter using knots. Now someone try it, and let us know how it goes.

$1000 doesn't seem right.

Why not? People will pay for perceived value. That's just you saying it's not worth that much to you.

If it's as easy as tying a few knots, anyone could have done that any time in the last 5 years. Nobody did. Or they tried and were unsuccessful.

Anyway, the market doesn't agree with you. It's already sold out in 4 and 5.1, only available on pre-order. And that's before it's even got around to prove itself at local spots.