This is so good, well done BRM!I will be picking one up to play with

BWalnut said..
Didn't take long. Someone lost one on a dw run in the gorge. No details on what happened but a few comments about them sinking. Hopefully we can get the full story.

Yeah I'm thinking a bit of pool noodle attached to the bar might be in order. Lets hope he gets it back

Certainly comparing the Street Star4 4.0 to the BRM Parawing, SS4 is one third of the price, ($AUD670), has less bridles and was certainly the first of it's type. I'm in the process of modifying a 3m foil kite that cost $20 off Temu, just for a laugh, but hope to try it on my wingfoil board.
www.born-kite.de/product_info.php?language=en&info=p278_street-star4-4-0.html

Just got my 5m and took it out of the box/bag retrospect shoulda videoed/picts the fold/wrap from factory Lol! be nice if someone posted video on ideal proper pwing pack down when storing it to keep bridals from rats nesting be great as bigger sizes are a handful bridal wise and you can't wrap lines like normal kite on bar definitely a learning curve to eliminate tangleation as pwing definitely a bit different animal than your old foil/trainer kite

pitbulldoug said..
Just got my 5m and took it out of the box/bag retrospect shoulda videoed/picts the fold/wrap from factory Lol! be nice if someone posted video on ideal proper pwing pack down when storing it to keep bridals from rats nesting be great as bigger sizes are a handful bridal wise and you can't wrap lines like normal kite on bar definitely a learning curve to eliminate tangleation as pwing definitely a bit different animal than your old foil/trainer kite

yeah, i thought i nailed the pack up on my 5.1 after a few tries, but then i took it out and it was a complete mess. i do wrap the bridal lines around the bar for as far as i can. then i scrunch up the wing and lay the bar on top of it all. the key is to not allow the bar to jiggle around among the remaining unwrapped bridal lines in the bag after pack up. at first i put the bar at the bottom of the bag with wing on top, and that lead to misery. bar on top of wing was better. we'll figure it out. still haven't had a day of wind to actually 'wing' it.

KonradBoarding said..
This is so good, well done BRM!I will be picking one up to play with

What size are you getting James?

As mentioned earlier in the thread. Looks interesting, especially if you are located in Europe, and think it can be ordered with shorter lines. Worth a look at their Facebook page. I have no affiliation.

I received my 2.9m yesterday and took it out for a spin for about 1 hour. Conditions were gusty 19-22knts, but decreasing throughout the session. Riding 60L board (Appletree Apple Slice) with Lift HA120 foil.

My biggest stumbling block was getting up on foil consistently. Even though the wing felt powered up, I struggled to get enough board speed to fly the foil, except when I managed to angle onto a wind bump and pump the board off of that, but this is tough at my home spot due to the of cross-chop from currents. I hope that there is just a technique gap here for me and I'll get it figured out after a few sessions. As stated on the site, you can't pump this to get board speed like a conventional wing. Once I was up on foil, the wing felt very powered up and took some time to figure out the finesse to ensure it didn't fly all over the wind window. By the end of the session I felt like I had figured out more control of the wing.

I was not able to figure out the wing packdown technique while I was on the water - I was trying to grab the front lines and pull it in, but this caused it to whip around uncontrollably. After my session I played with it on the beach and realized that grabbing the middle set of lines depowers the wing fully. However I'm still not quite sure how to wrap up the wing and pack it into the belt quickly and in a way that doesn't tangle the bridles. I wish that Greg provided some instruction on this!

I did have a few tangles (once in the water and again on the beach when I was fiddling with it). Untangling was not too hard, only taking a minute or so. Not so bad compared to some kitemares with hourlong untangling sessions I've had in the past!

Overall, I am excited to be trying this new equipment. The learning curve is a bit more than I was expecting, but if I can work out the kinks over my next few sessions, I'll be stoked. I wish I had gotten the 4m rather than the 2.9m for some extra starting power. I suspect that this wing would also benefit from a longer, narrower board which will make it easier to get up to flying speed - I've been eyeing the Appletree Skipper DW Prone, but not ready to spend the $$ yet!

sweats said..

My point about the cost was just comparing it to the SS4 that has been around for at least 7 years.. This video clearly shows that it can be stowed on the fly and is available with shorter lines. The BRM parawing is built for purpose and while it seems to be as good as an inflatable wing, people are lining up to buy it, so good on him for doing so! His Cloud kites are amazing and we have several examples at my local. Regarding my $20 kite, it's a experiment, so I don't really care if it's a dismal failure, which it would seem most likely! And yes, that 20 bucks includes shipping.

MProject04 said..
I dont know why the born kites videos are being posted here.. maybe it deserves an own thread?

Theirs seems a product for land use. If that kite falls in the water and fills up can it get up? And that stowaway sports bag looks like it will fill up with 30 L of water.

The BRM was developed by water people for water people. Maybe BK trying to piggyback here.

I think its fair enough to show that other options are available which may be of interest to some people.
It'd be easy to change the bag if necessary, and water relaunch should be similar between BK & BRM models.

MProject04 said..
I dont know why the born kites videos are being posted here.. maybe it deserves an own thread?

Theirs seems a product for land use. If that kite falls in the water and fills up can it get up? And that stowaway sports bag looks like it will fill up with 30 L of water.

The BRM was developed by water people for water people. Maybe BK trying to piggyback here.

Born have been building this kind of wing for quite awhile. Check out the 2017 German patent. It should be available in September and it has been said will have a sharp price.

beached57 said..

pitbulldoug said..
Just got my 5m and took it out of the box/bag retrospect shoulda videoed/picts the fold/wrap from factory Lol! be nice if someone posted video on ideal proper pwing pack down when storing it to keep bridals from rats nesting be great as bigger sizes are a handful bridal wise and you can't wrap lines like normal kite on bar definitely a learning curve to eliminate tangleation as pwing definitely a bit different animal than your old foil/trainer kite

yeah, i thought i nailed the pack up on my 5.1 after a few tries, but then i took it out and it was a complete mess. i do wrap the bridal lines around the bar for as far as i can. then i scrunch up the wing and lay the bar on top of it all. the key is to not allow the bar to jiggle around among the remaining unwrapped bridal lines in the bag after pack up. at first i put the bar at the bottom of the bag with wing on top, and that lead to misery. bar on top of wing was better. we'll figure it out. still haven't had a day of wind to actually 'wing' it.

Took my 5.1 on a beach test fly in 18mph winds and gotta say that's a lot of wing to be reeling in and I'm 225lbs Lol have to figure best method of reeling in by center lines or all 3 front/center/rear at once but dang it's gonna take some getting used too a lot of lines and wing to bunch up kinda noticing all videos out are all 2.8 and below have not seen a one on the 5.1 and above sizes yet maybe little different ball game on the bigger sizes eh,
on folding it up properly still trying to figure best way to minimize rats nesting and Im no beginner kiter almost 20 plus years,and pretty advanced winger so little perplexed on this parawing so far

Grantmac said..
I wonder if the center bridal could pass through the bar with a loop to pull on or even use for the harness?

I'm guessing this is similar to full sized kites but I don't kite. It looks like Born is doing something like that.

I'm thinking a line similar to the 5th line on fs Peaks may be helpful. One line spans across the canopy, passing through all the soft ribs and the 5th line pulls the centre of it, causing the canopy to concertina.
(I don't use them on the kites as the collapsed kite spins all the way till it ends in a tangled mess on the ground downwind, but on a parawing keeping hold of the handle should prevent that?)
Should collapse the parawing a bit more neatly than the single line on the BK system
Wouldn't be of any use as a harness, except for avoiding loss of the wing if you let go the handle.

frappes said..
I received my 2.9m yesterday and took it out for a spin for about 1 hour. Conditions were gusty 19-22knts, but decreasing throughout the session. Riding 60L board (Appletree Apple Slice) with Lift HA120 foil.

My biggest stumbling block was getting up on foil consistently. Even though the wing felt powered up, I struggled to get enough board speed to fly the foil, except when I managed to angle onto a wind bump and pump the board off of that, but this is tough at my home spot due to the of cross-chop from currents. I hope that there is just a technique gap here for me and I'll get it figured out after a few sessions. As stated on the site, you can't pump this to get board speed like a conventional wing. Once I was
up on foil, the wing felt very powered up and took some time to figure out the finesse to ensure it didn't fly all over the wind window. By the end of the session I felt like I had figured out more control of the wing.

I was not able to figure out the wing packdown technique while I was on the water - I was trying to grab the front lines and pull it in, but this caused it to whip around uncontrollably. After my session I played with it on the beach and realized that grabbing the middle set of lines depowers the wing fully. However I'm still not quite sure how to wrap up the wing and pack it into the belt quickly and in a way that doesn't tangle the bridles. I wish that Greg provided some instruction on this!

I did have a few tangles (once in the water and again on the beach when I was fiddling with it). Untangling was not too hard, only taking a minute or so. Not so bad compared to some kitemares with hourlong untangling sessions I've had in the past!

Overall, I am excited to be trying this new equipment. The learning curve is a bit more than I was expecting, but if I can work out the kinks over my next few sessions, I'll be stoked. I wish I had gotten the 4m rather than the 2.9m for some extra starting power. I suspect that this wing would also benefit from a longer, narrower board which will make it easier to get up to flying speed - I've been eyeing the Appletree Skipper DW Prone, but not ready to spend the $$ yet!

went out with my 6m. Was a a total pita. Luckily I had my foil drive as backup because I could not even get the thing to launch. On land it is easy, but even a little water the thing acts like a barbell and you can't throw it. Ein was only 10-14 nots, but one fall and the thing turns into a death anchor. Spent two hours and got completely frustrated.

What I'd like to see is a video of larger size 5.1-6.2m in action with rider collapsing pwing and packing down in belt bag then cruising DW then redeploying and power up the wing with out tangling like to see that.all that's out is just 1.8-2.9m videos,the bigger wings are definitely a different ballgame packing down and redeploying compared to the smaller sizes no surprise there,looking forward to seeing some video of the larger sizes in action