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I mean, that sounds like fun but the name is busted. Dogscoot makes me think she ate too much grass.

emmafoils said..
There seems to be at least 4 on the market. What I would like is a design where the handle can be released while on foil so one can pump without it ( only use the handle to help with dock starting). It is the obvious next step. I messaged all the companies to ask if they had such a design in the works but have not heard back from them. May become a DIY project.

I've been thinking about this too. I have never tried the scoot, but my buddy just ordered the takoon. I think a quick release lever should be relatively easy to implement.

djdojo said..
Yeah, I’m all about VMG and long laps so it seems I’ll have to sell a kidney. Ah well …

Or go Zap? Thats the VMG king as far as I know. Very reasonably priced too.

hilly said..
Key Specs for the 3.5m Frigate V2

• Size: 3.5 m²
• Line/Bridle Length: 10–15 cm shorter overall compared to V1, featuring 100% spliced, color-coded lines and a simplified Double Dynamic Bridle System
• Wind Range: 18–36 knots (depending on rider weight and conditions)

V1 was 140 as far as I can tell so that puts it right at 125/130 which is exactly what I am looking for.... I need to track down a Frigate v2 for a look.

Last ride on the 4.2 ltx was a wretched 5-25 on the gauge and I stayed dry for the whole session. I think the average was upper teens.


88kg rider 66l emissary code 720s that day.

camerongraham said..Titanium what?

Adapter. You don't have to stick with the aluminum one anymore.

Has anyone here gotten the ti adapter from One Ocean yet? Or did people here get the small batch that came from Progression Project?

I have really high expectations of gear and haven't had any complaints with the One Ocean mast and adapters. I use Lift and Code because the adapters are so clean. The One Ocean mast is outstanding and upgrades those foils for sure.

Some people struggle adding aluminum to a saltwater system. Adapter quality is critical, there are some awesome DIYers out there making really cool stuff that most people never see or hear about.

Pacoo said..
Tried the 3m and 4,3m today, finally the range is as advertised, the top end of the 3m is very good.
It really feels like a big leap from pocket rocket v2 specially in gusty conditions.

I've heard lots of positives on them from friends and just saw they added a 2.4m to the lineup which would make a 2.4m/3.6m quiver pretty insane.

ms568 said..
Replying to Bryan here. Do you really think the top end of the orbit 3.5m is the same as the hybrid 4.3m? Assuming hooked in on both.
At 110kg wet I can take the hybrid 4.3m into over 30knots where it just gets better and better right before I can’t hold it down. I tried a friends hybrid 3.1m but I found there was a huge gap in low end between the sizes (that’s probably not an issue for a 70-80kg rider). So I just bought an orbit 3.5m to give me some overlap with the hybrid 4.3m and to take me further into the mid 30’s.

The orbit 3.5m should arrive next week so I’m looking forward to writing up a heavy rider comparison to the hybrid 4.3m and hybrid 3.1m.

Also can you define “playfulness” for when you are describing a particular parawing?

I haven't used the 4.3m Hybrid so you'll have to test the theory out to confirm. I've just heard so many riders say that specific size does exactly what you describe, gets up to 30 and just gets better until you can't hold on any longer. I agree with you though, a 3.7ish from 777 would be really nice to bridge the gap. I did not feel like the Orbits got better as they got overpowered.

On the Orbit 3.5m over 30 knots a few things start to happen (lets assume trim is set at 10% pulled in). For me, that's when the canopy collapses started, the lines get sharp, and flight is less stable. To resist this, you can trim all the way out to 0% which likely gives you better absolute top end. However, then you will have zero starting power in lulls, you'll need solid 30 knots to get going with the trim all the way out. Also, and other people should check me on this, when I was going upwind with the trim all the way out on the Orbit it was quite definitive that I was not getting as good of angles or going upwind as fast. If you trim in to 5-10% again its very noticeable how much better the upwind was, but the canopy collapses can happen then, it's quite the dance to sort out just the right amount of trim.

Looking forward to your write up on how the 4.3, 3.5, 3.1 line up. The 3.1m has pretty insane top end but the 2.5m is my all time fav parawing at the moment.

My definition of playfulness should probably be defined:
The ease of which a parawing gybes, can be surfed deployed, surfed retracted, and easily redeploys is what I think of as playfulness. Others might think of it in terms of parawing tricks but for me its about how naturally it takes care of itself vs needs to be managed when I am surfing.

AnyBoard said..
Thanks for that.
I guess with wind ranges like that its more about sizing up enough to survive the lulls on foil because there is always going to be a gust strong enough to get you on foil in circumstances like that on almost any size.


I am hoping a 2.7 Orbit works in our 20 knot average to 30 gusts and makes it a lot more comfortable and safer than a 2.4 PR v1. This would represent our frontal winds with our thermal winds sitting in the 15 to 20 knots averages and ok on a single skin.

Let us know for sure. For me, 20 knot average would be too low for the 2.7 Orbit on my kit. 20kts was just barely enough for me to catch a gust with the 3.5m to get on foil.

Here, I usually try to rig a sail that can't get up in the lulls but can survive the gusts. I prefer to wait out the soft stuff over getting wrecked by the peak winds!

Retina said..
I heard from a person (has 4m and 3m) that they are easier/better then hybrid . In drainage and maneuvers. Is that true?

I've owned the 2.5/3.1 (3.1 demo) Hybrid and 2.7/3.5 Orbit.

I think the Orbit is the winner for drainage. The Hybrid cells are a little more constricted where the water exits. I think we are talking about a difference of single digit seconds here.

3.1 Hybrid vs 3.5 Orbit is tough to say. The Hybrid had WAY more top end in my experience but that also means it was juicy wind when I tested it (gusting over 40 knots) so light wind handling might vary. The 3.5m Orbit became definitively less fun over 30 knots and since I owned that one I definitely got more time in on it. Neither seemed noticeably better or worse than the other though. I just remember appreciating that I didn't have to worry about the Hybrid line length vs the Orbit which needed to be stashed faster.

2.5 Hybrid vs 2.7 Orbit though.... That 2.5 Hybrid is an absolute joy. Super snappy/playful, short lines, fast upwind, the only one of the 4 I tried that I felt like was a must have after 1 session. The 2.7 Orbit is definitively better than the 3.5 Orbit when it comes to maneuvers but it still has comparatively long lines (116cm for the Hybrid and 147cm for the Orbit) vs the Hybrid which is less playful in my experience.

2.5 Hybrid vs 2.7 Orbit: 116cm vs 147cm = 31cm difference.
3.1 Hybrid vs 3.5m Orbit: 129cm vs 152cm = 23cm difference.
4.2 Hybrid vs 4.5 Orbit: 152cm vs 160cm = 8cm difference.
5.7 Hybrid vs 5.9 Orbit: 176cm vs 178cm = 2cm difference.

So, you can see the that the lines get closer with the larger sizes. My takeaway having ridden these is that difference sizes in difference lineups are going to be better for different riders. Difference strengths and weaknesses for each size in each range.

Double check with your dealer about customer service and warranty. Multiple people reporting bar ends snapping off new PRv2's right now and they haven't been getting prompt help.

Youngbreezy said.. All I want is something with really good low end, really good upwind/ vmg, great top end and wind range and excellent stashing?

Isn't that what we all want? Doesn't exist as far as I know.

I tried the BRM P1 and it was laughable how light it was. Sounds funny paddling out "ping ping ping" but I don't know if the performance gain was there or not. I'd like to try a hollow midlength to see if there is a big difference in performance. I will say the ride felt rough, like my foam boards were dampening some feedback a bit but the hollow made me feel every little thing in the water which wasn't great. I'm pretty happy with all my 10lbs boards.

@Anyboard thanks for clarifying.

If I could make a friendly request to soften your use of terms like bias, hypocrisy, disingenuousness, etc. It might impact people more aggressively than you realize. I don't know about others, but for myself, it triggers a defensive response and shuts down forum conversation when we want it to keep going. Questions preferred instead of accusations essentially. I don't know Scheggia or MeonAsh, but they both seem like genuine people who are creating content as a service to the community.

I'm a rider advocate, not a product ambassador.

If your question is "looking for generational improvement in upwind performance" and you aren't focused on other traits then the PPC Orbit is, indeed, the parawing for you. However, what I believe Ash is alluding to, as I have mentioned, there are some legitimate tradeoffs with the Orbit. If we ignore them and publish glowing reviews about nothing but the upwind performance that would make us product ambassadors, and no longer rider advocates. IMO we already have more than enough of that in the foil industry.