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If you listen to the foil rat podcast with the 777 designer he was designing a kite just like this for kite foiling and wave kiting just before winging exploded. Then once winging got so popular he stopped working on it because he thought winging would have surpassed it.


A kite on short ( ish) lines with the same bar setup as parawing would be pretty cool. You could ride around unhooked all the time, could be awesome for wave kiting. I don’t think you would need very long lines before you get a lot more power than a parawing.

For me personally getting on foil toeside is my stronger side especially in lighter winds or underpowered situations. When I say it’s my stronger side I mean I get up sooner than if I was healside in my preferred stance and much sooner than if I was riding heel side switch stance.


When getting up toeside your board naturally wants to point at a good downwind angle to get going, for some reason the ergonomics of pumping the board and foil work well for me toeside and usually for my local conditions toeside lines up much better with the bumps and getting a good bump assist to get going. I think this also has a bit to do with what sort of parawing your riding. On my PT skins they prefer a more deep downwind get up which is better toeside.



Once up on foil I will switch feet and go upwind heelside switch stance. I think this is definitely the best way to do it. I’ve heard plenty of guys say they can get just as good of an angle going upwind toeside but I think your VMG will be better overall if you ride switch. You can handle gusts much better, it’s more comfortable and if you only ride in one stance all the time you unevenly load your body and can cause strains and pains.

Yeah definitely feeling a bit sharky here in Perth! An absolutely brutal shark attack a week or 2 ago. Big GW came in and grabbed a guy swimming 15m from shore and thrashed him all about in front of a crowded beach of onlookers. No remains recovered either so it definitely wasn’t an “investigative” bite.


Then yesterday a whale carcass washed up right in the middle of the Perth down wind run. Check out this big boy playing in the shorebreak

www.instagram.com/reel/Dd0owuqzSba/?stkn=OGt1MmFwaGhtb2U0

I would be interested to hear your feedback. I have the 5.1 hatchv2 on my list as a replacement for my 5.4 pt skin. Got a few wings I’m considering and I like the look of the hatch

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Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

scheggia said..

AnyBoard said..

Pacoo said..
At 15 knt I will be on the PR V2 5m or even on the 4,3m comfortably. I do not think you are comparing the right sizes, which is part of the question: why use a 5.7 m if I can use a much smaller size?

Its a valid point and particularly when so much weight is given in a review to the stow. It largely depends on rider weight. I note scheggia reviewing a 3.6m PR v1 in only 13 knots in a previous review against a gong 4m so i would expect that he is not a heavy weight. Very good VMG can be maintained on a PRv2 in 15 knots by someone on a 4.3 up to maybe 78 kg on downwind foils. Maybe a 5m makes sense for up to 90 kg at 15 knots. My friend at well over 100kg seems to be well powered at 15 knots on a 5.7.
How much rider weight will the LTX pull and still make good VMG in 15 knots. Then you can compare apples for apples on the stow and comfort.

I'm 70 kg. When I compared the PR V1 against the Gong 4.0, I was on my 100L DW board and a downwind foil (770R). In this comparison I was on my 73L mid-length and a "surf" foil (850S). I started appreciating bigger parawings after trying the Skin 5.4. It gave me a lot more range with my smaller board and foil, while still packing really well. The LTX takes that concept even further: it packs even better, has better VMG throughout the range, loses a touch of low end, and gives you tons of high end. In fact, the more powered it gets, the better its VMG becomes. The PR V2 5.7 definitely gives you better VMG and a better overall range than the Skin 5.4, but for me it's still a nightmare to pack. Again, if I'd tested the PT-Skin 5.4 against the PR V2 5.7, I most probably wouldn't have decided to change my parawing. Same thing that I did after trying the PR v1, I just decided that it wasn't worth the change.... But as soon as I tried the LTX 5.5 against the Skin 5.4, I came home and placed an order. Exactly the same thing happened the first time I tried the 4.3 Hybrid during a demo: I came home and ordered one. For me, it's really that simple.

I am just under your weight and riding similar very sized foils and board.

3.6m PR V1 13 knot test with 770R = a little less than ideal wind to test VMG.

15 Knots with a 5.7 PRv2 is pretty unnecessary. I am really powered on a 4.3 V2 and starting to think 3.6 if it is even slightly above 15 consistently. I can easily match your reviewed 5.7 PR VMG on a 4.3?
I don't know the the 777 LTX range but it sounds like you need the 5.5 in 15 knots as you say in the review you were on the bottom end of the wind range.
Now how would your review outcome change if you compare the 4.3 PRV2 with the 5.5LTX? How much nicer is a 4.3 to fly and pack up than a 5.5LTX?
People are spending big dollars on this stuff and we come here to try and minimize the bad decisions we have all made in the past. You guys have convinced that at the lighter end the hybrids and the LTX don't make sense but i had to read between the lines.

This is such a nonsense comment. Scheggia reviewed the 2 wings within their stated wind range. Just because you can get on foil with a handkerchief in a seagull fart doesn’t invalidate the review. Also if you’re so concerned about everyone getting the best most accurate information from the forums you should state your weight and height when giving out your wind ranges. Then normal full grown man size people can take that into consideration when evaluating the information your giving.

Maybe you should have read a little deeper before posting rubbish. Scheggia and myself are nearly the same weight. That doesn’t put the 5.7 in its ideal wind range at all which he accepted.
If you think they will do the same job or even belong in the same wind range knock yourself out. A fool and his money are easily parted.

I was just pointing out that a review of 2 similar sized wings within their stated wind range is a valid review. Any informed reader knows they’re different wings with different abilities. The guys that are active on this forum are mostly doing it on a voluntary basis they don’t necessarily have access to every size or the time to test in every condition. The way your carrying on you sound like one of those guys that contacts free giveaways on marketplace and asks them for free delivery.

Thanks for this review Scheggia. It’s particularly helpful to myself as these two wings are high on my list as replacements for my 5.4 pt skin. This review has helped me to pretty much rule out the 5.7 PRv2. I hadn’t realised that the lines are actually a touch longer than the 5.4 pt skin plus it would be a fair bit bulkier and harder to stash.



Interesting that you got similar vmg with the LTX when it was in the lower end of its range and the PRv2 in the middle of its range. I would have thought the PRv2 would have been better. I imagine the ltx would be significantly better when both wings are in the upper end of their range.


I got a bargain on a 4.3 pt hybrid ( lightly used for gav hydrofoils review) about 2.5 months ago then had the worst case of new wing wind drought Ive ever had. Finally got a session on it a couple days ago in very gusty patchy 20-30 knots the exact sort of conditions that a single skin really struggles in. The 4.3 hybrid handled it beautifully. Tons of power to get going ( it was strong wind) and when up just a pleasure to ride, smoking upwind. Opened my eyes a bit to the potential of hybrids

Thanks Mark your a legend! It was my mate Toms. He’s contacted you already. It’s actually the second time he’s left that wing and fuse set behind, he’ll have to start calling it the boomerang!

Thatspec said..
Now that is arguably the most overpriced piece of fabric yet😂
www.purestokesports.com/products/ozone-afterburner-v1-parawing?variant=52828500164925&country=US¤cy=USD&srsltid=AfmBOopPRoOY6hF5VfeHyWtSWAzMrBYze6O1NiJN_KJFhgzWGZIDT-00

It's not the parawing that's limiting my speed...

Afterburning a hole in our wallets with the power pack and PRv2 now they want $1600 USD for the Afterburner 🤯

Basically I think they’re just saying it has great low end, massive wind range and excellent top end, easy stashing, super fast and best upwind/ vmg on the market.


Basically just promising the world

Well well well, this certainly is an interesting offering from PPC. Full double skin para with a trim/ brake line that gives it low end as good or better than a single skin. They are claiming crazy wind ranges 12-30+ knots for a 3.5m, 10-28 knots for a 4.5m !!! Also saying it should still pack away well. Sounds amazing! I don’t know if all these things are possible at the same time but it would be cool if they are.


Early on in winging PPC held back a bit then knocked it out of the park with their release of the Surge wing. The 3.8m v1 surge is still my most used and all time favourite wing. Although I never really invested in the much newer fancier wings because the Surge just kinda did what I needed it to do.


It looks like PPC are attempting to do the same thing with their release of the Orbit. They are later than most but have brought something totally different than what is currently available. It’s different enough that I personally would need to see a fair few independent reviews and rider feedback before I would invest in one. Prices are already up on OTB Marine and they are a couple hundred more than an ozone so definitely not cheap!


I certainly hope this wing can live up to the claims they are making because if it does it will really ( ok I’m gonna say it) Change the Game!!

ppcfoiling.com/products/ppc-orbit-parawing-pre-order-deposit-100-usd