Sorry guys & gals but I could not stop laughing about BoDiddly's comments while reading Dave's thoughts and all I got out of it was

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Originally posted by Danger Dave

The jump was no more than 3 metres in height but owing to a shoddy takeoff the kiteboarder travelled quite a distance downwind.

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Moral of the story is don't do shoddy stuff with critics or a peanut gallery around!

Thominator,

Sounds like you need to learn to share the water.

Didn't your mom teach you how to ?

Dolls unfortunately is one of the better places to teach in and around Sydney!

I learnt and Dolls and now choose not to ride there due to congestion.
Sounds like a few others should too.

It's not too difficult to do so when botany bay is approx 2kms long from the Novotel to Dolls.

Plus there's plenty of parking available all the way down Grand Pde when compared to Dolls.

Just spread all out along the bay.

You guys need to settle down a bit!

At least Marty was man enough to respond. He seems somewhat remorsefull.
Definately a step forward. Whats with the abuse?? Cheap shots from "McBridle" about his "boyfriend" etc.
Dave calls him "mindless" WTF!

C'mon,just work it out. Cheap written abuse behind someones back wont achieve anything.

lol @ bridle... [}:)]

This issue has been resolved. Duncan has called me this morning and we had a good chat and the result is that the outcome is very positive and really what we all wanted.

The useless derogatory comments from the usual gutless anonymous minority are uncalled for and unwanted. They have added nothing to the positive outcome that resulted from posting this thread.

Marty too has responded, and I am sure that both these guys now understand better the issues at Dolls and the need for much greater care when riding, and the co-operation and tolerance we all need to practice when riding in popular spots.

I really appreciate the positive and pro-active stance both Marty and Duncan have displayed, and I hope all the local Sydney crew do too.

I apoligised to Duncan, and now also to Marty for any unwanted and unnecessary negative and derrogatory remarks that have been directed at these two experienced and long time kiters. I agree that in future direct contact is the best method to resolve any local issues, this forum is not really the ideal place for that.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

Saffer you are actually spot on!
If it were not for this thread I doubt that things would have changed much, however now I think they have the potential to change very much for the positive.
I do have empathy for Duncan, in that he was concerned how much he was getting slagged on here, because that certainly has happened to me before.

But the outcome is good and I think we can leave this thread alone now and move forward.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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Originally posted by Saffer

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Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

I agree that in future direct contact is the best method to resolve any local issues, this forum is not really the ideal place for that.

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Whilst I don't know the riders in question and not living in the area to know the politics surround the issue, I still tend to disagree with your comments about forums not being the best place to discuss them.

In a large number of cases I've seen in the past, some riders have a very in your face attitude on the beach and in most cases are actually unapproachable. I've seen some people threatened on the beach before. The one thing the forum does offer is a means to apply pressure from a large group of people to those who are at fault. I've seen many problems resolved on forums after being unresolvable through normal circumstances, because the guilty parties are forced to face up to their actions to a larger public view who have the ability to condemn them publically if they don't.

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steve, not to take sides with anyone here, but wasnt this thread opened with you referring to the kiter as 'brainless'? i think you also used 'dumb' 'senseless' 'careless' 'reckless' and 'crap'

dont have a go at others for being derogatory.
glass houses....

Oh grow up. It's over. Steve made a good point, Marty responded pretty coolly, and this forum's done something good. How about just leaving it unless you've got something useful to add.

Yikes you got me Spaceape.
I had hoped for this sort of outcome that has evolved, so now the two fellow concerned might be included more dow at the beach and they will hopefully ride with more care and consideration, its all good.
Sydney is an amazing city for sure, but it has few good places to learn kitesurfing in flat water (not waves). Dolls is one of them, and it is a popular spot simply because there are not a lot of other flat water spots.
However now that the sand has been pumped back onto the beaches North of Dolls we are starting to see people use these restored beaches and the conjestion should ease a bit.
I agree that the best way to resolve an issue, is right when it happens, with the person concerned. Without going into unnecessary detail that was not possible in this case.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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Originally posted by Spacemonkey!

You are the one who bought this up in the forums Steve and you of all people would have known the likely response, its good you have got it sorted out though. Personally I have never had an issue with anyone down the beach that I didn't think I could solve by just talking to them. Thats the healthy way to do it and plus you get to know your local crew and you never know when they might come in handy for rescuing you/your board/your kite.

Whilst I don't know the setup at Dolls begginers have just as much right to learn in good conditions as experienced riders. However it can be frustrating when a person having lessons crashes their kite right in the zone and becomes an obstacle for everyone. Personally if I try and teach someone I take them to a spot where there are few people around to obstruct as it makes it a less stressful experience for the begginer and the other riders.

Most kiters are pretty approachable and friendly so if they are doing something that makes you feel unsafe like jumping too close or they always tack in front of you its better to say something on the beach rather than post it on the forums for a slagging fest especially when most kiters probably don't even regulary read the forums anyway.

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Seems like my original reply to you got deleted, I made reference to your name, which you have used in your "details".
Its obviously not your real name, so I'm not sure why it got pulled, especially since your post accusing me blatantly and falsely of using several derrogatory terms.

The only term of endearment I used for the person who was the subject of this thread was brainless.

Even he has posted and agreed it was a brainless act.

All the rest of what you bravely and anonymously accuse me of is false.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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Originally posted by stamp

steve, not to take sides with anyone here, but wasnt this thread opened with you referring to the kiter as 'brainless'? i think you also used 'dumb' 'senseless' 'careless' 'reckless' and 'crap'

dont have a go at others for being derogatory.
glass houses....

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From an outsider point of view, it could seem like riders who are hot headed down the beach are quite easy and forthcoming on the forums and posters who are hot headed on the forums seem to be a bit more “composed” on the beach.

Come on kiddies cant we all just be diplomatic in both dimensions of reality - flat screen as well as 3d!

Anyhow good to see its all worked out at least till the next episode, let’s hope it’s handled a bit more amicably by all parties. Ultimately though it would seem some kind of dolls point kitesurfing club/organization would be needed so there’s a united local front with a more professional approach towards the alleged misnomers. Signage of some sort would be good too in regards to the dolls kite club and some basic rules about the area – no idea about shire red tape regarding that though!.. This would give outsiders more info on good kite surfing form for that location and create consensus for the locals that decided upon the rules.

I don’t know the area but I would point out in all fairness to Marty and Duncan that a kite school doesn’t operate on that spot 24/7 so if the flat water is ok to do tricks and the spots not placing anyone at risk then why would there is a problem with using it? I would suggest some form of temp signage about kite students using this area would also be beneficial not only to others who like that spot for “learning” tricks but for the school itself for promotional purposes. Anyhow that’s my two cents worth.

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Originally posted by user
Steve,unfortunately you are wrong !

Check your post on page 3.

I am sure it contains all the words that Stamp mentioned.

Also,he wasn't abusive about it.

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Ok then User, please quote my post where I used those terms??

Also please post/quote where I was abusive to whoever you are referring to?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

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Originally posted by user
Steve,unfortunately you are wrong !

Check your post on page 3.

I am sure it contains all the words that Stamp mentioned.

Also,he wasn't abusive about it.

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Ok then User, please quote my post where I used those terms??

Also please post/quote where I was abusive to whoever you are referring to?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

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I quote from your post:

"I don't wish either of these people any harm, I just want them to snap out of the dumb/selfish coma they are in and see the bigger picture, soon!"

Dumb? Selfish?

I'm not looking for a fight,its just that you did use more insults than "brainless"

now that things have been sorted can I have my dunking donut now?

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[i]Originally posted by Marty Coffey
But one of the problems with this spot is the fact that the sun is low over the land in the avo when the seabreeze comes in.

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Marty,
You might need to wear these > .