X-ploding kites

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MORT
MORT
WA
33 posts
WA, 33 posts
18 Oct 2005 1:21pm
Oh to be in the kite industry

Sad VERY Sad
mikekite
mikekite
QLD
55 posts
QLD, 55 posts
18 Oct 2005 3:26pm
who the hell ever suggested it was an industry?

its a freaking circus
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
18 Oct 2005 1:28pm
Poor Relative,

You don't get forums, do you ??

RAL INN and Kitepower are simply having a debate via the internet.

There's no fight, no blood is spilt in cyberspace.

No-one has reason to be embarrassed.

They are just expressing their personal opinions.

Just like you did with your last post.

Kind Regards
'slave
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
18 Oct 2005 1:47pm
Do you lot realise that jo average lost interest in this argument pages ago? And now you're all starting to look like....

Perhaps go for a kite and chill?
Rolf
Rolf
VIC
32 posts
VIC, 32 posts
18 Oct 2005 4:17pm
Hey kitepower,

I have bought several items from your Geelong store, and I am the happy owner of a Yarga, but when you keep defending the crossbow when no one is really attacking it, it makes me think that the crossbow has some issues. Step back and take a long hard look at yourself.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
18 Oct 2005 5:29pm
I agree with Rolf and RAL INN, there is no way Tony is brand bashing or promoting Wipika.

Your over reaction and urgency to try and protect Crossbow's is showing the whole forum that ur making a cover up. Perhaps it is importnant as a retailer to make sure the Crossbow range takes off and that they have a good reputation, this cannot be decided on the net but on the beaches.

If i have read correctly RAL INN is just making a genuine observation about poor kite manufacturing in general.

"Ever been told by your retailer that "gee that's the only one in the world that did that.""

that is a statement which i think a lot of us can identify with, manufacturers trying to cover for poor designs. In models of kites normally brake in similar spots, due to a bad batch or a design flaw.

I think we should all just chill out and not get so personal.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
18 Oct 2005 5:55pm
I sincerly apologise to all those I have bored in this thread, whilst at the same time appreciating those who supported my right to ask a question and express an opinion.

I see know that it has degenerated into a childish schoolyard slanging match. Not what this forum should be about.

i realise that trying to carry on a thoughtful and intelligent debate just attracts those who use intimidation, and lies to back their nonsensicle auguments. those who when read carefully, provide nothing to the actual debate, but the same cat call over and over and over again.

It took the last few replies to help me realise that, as with a toddler throwing a tantrum, sometimes you have to leave the room to remove the attention seeking antics.

So as a last comment, I note that the only person I can truely judge is myself. And to that end, I have always supported each and every warranty claim by my clients. I have never lied in this forum. I have always respected the opinions of others just have they have resected my right to agree or disagree. And I will continue to offer advise to my clients on kite selection honestly and with bias only to those companies that strive for the highest possible service pre and post sale. And from now on seek to always (no matter how easy)to provide better service and pricing than Kitepower.

best winds
Tony Lorenz
RAL Innovations
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
18 Oct 2005 5:52pm
Ral Inn was definately trying to bash the CB

His orriginal post was trying to suggest that they were the "new Hellfish" and exploding for no reason. WTF ?? I have NEVER heard of this happening !

Also,the heading "X-ploding kites" was an obvious play on words of the popular typeing of X Bow.

Yeah Ral,what was your REAL motive ?

I have SEEN a couple North kites EXplode for no apparant reason,but did not feel the need to bash North kites.

Wipika ?? are they still going ? When was the last time anyone saw a Wipika ??
Awaken
Awaken
QLD
128 posts
QLD, 128 posts
18 Oct 2005 9:10pm
The only kites i havnt seen a problem with is Caution.Interesting though the reaction from some punters on weather kiting is actually an industry?might have to start a seperate thread cause i reckon it might take up a little bit of room.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
18 Oct 2005 9:24pm
punters? industry?
i always thought it was a farcical aquatic ceremony!
NSW, 4382 posts
19 Oct 2005 7:49am
quote:
Originally posted by user

Ral Inn was definately trying to bash the CB

His orriginal post was trying to suggest that they were the "new Hellfish" and exploding for no reason. WTF ?? I have NEVER heard of this happening !

Also,the heading "X-ploding kites" was an obvious play on words of the popular typeing of X Bow.

Yeah Ral,what was your REAL motive ?

I have SEEN a couple North kites EXplode for no apparant reason,but did not feel the need to bash North kites.

Wipika ?? are they still going ? When was the last time anyone saw a Wipika ??



Gee Tony nearly had me convinced I was the only one who saw that this thread (title included) as a childish swipe at Cab and their innovative and timely release of the Crossbow kite.
Thanks User!
For sure many others have read this thread by now and have wondered about the motives behind Tony starting this thread and his subsequent posts that now lack credibility.

Like the 4 brands of Bow kites he supplies to his clients.

He now says he is going to target Kitepower and childishly and foolishly claims that he can easily provide better service and pricing.

Nice work Tony.

Cya and Goodwinds
(including Tony)

Steve McCormack
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
19 Oct 2005 8:25am
While bashing is not cool - competition is.

Let him compete with you kitepower, and let the buying public be the judge
Free2Kite
Free2Kite
QLD
85 posts
QLD, 85 posts
19 Oct 2005 5:24pm
I have been reading these forums for a while.
And finally I had to join up and have my 2 cents worth.

I agree with those who say Tony was not bashing Cabrinha, if there was any doubt his statements that he wasn't were clear.

I also agree that kitepowers replies, both here and whenever he replies on Kiteforum, are just simple attacks on people that have no substance.

He certainly has a beef with anyone who has an alternative view and lurches into character assasination.

Anyway I hope it continues. As it has been entertaining at the least, and I think Tony's replies must be going straight over kitepowers head, otherwise why would he continue to make a fool of himself.

So that was my first go at this forum, and it was fun.


Freed
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
19 Oct 2005 3:40pm
If Tony L was not bashing Cabrinha,why did he post this :

"I noticed a point about an exploding CB that was dismissed as something more sinister the other day, but I wonder was it an isolated incident.

We all know about the exploding Hells, and after witnessing a CB explode for absolutely no reason"

Why did he feel compelled to write this stuff ?

If you cant see the ulterior motive,you are surely lacking in basic cognitive skills.

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Oct 2005 3:49pm
Settle everyone.
If you want the real truth Tony & Steve have actually been great mates for many years. They put up promotional bouts like this one just to draw a crowd & boost business [}:)]
The reality of the whole thing is that Kitepower Sydney is actually the NSW arm of Tonys kite empire; and the Geelong outlet was set up to fool the Vics into thinking they have an element of choice. (Its an old jewish business trick)
I think Tony even writes the scripts for Steve to post
Now You know
Free2Kite
Free2Kite
QLD
85 posts
QLD, 85 posts
19 Oct 2005 6:08pm
Cognitive skills, mmmmmmmmmmmm

This I am assuming is in relation to a previous posting where some one refered to a Kiteforum post. That was explained away by kitepower as just another scam. what was that reason, kite being left pumped up in a car, or something.

So my cognitive skills see this as an introduction to a line of thought.

the next referal to Cabrinha was a statement of fact about what he had seen, and subsiquently verified by Kitepower.

No need for cognitive skills there.

The further statement of "is it just an across the board problem" can maybe confuse some. However those of us with cognitive skills can read it as exactly what it says, and later statement by Tony L
qualify it as "across the board" (of kite companies).

Further cognitive skills lead one to note the uncanny resemblance in style of User to that of Kitepower. Is there some type of cloning going on down there.

Some thing else I have noticed is the kitepower attack on Tony L for selling 4 widespans. What Tony L said was " of the brands there were 4 choices of widespans" No one with cognitive skills could ever argue that this translates to "have sold 4 brands of widespans".

So USER be careful of using words that relay your own cognitive skills.

Freed
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
19 Oct 2005 5:46pm
Damm puppet you found me out.

What was it that gave me away, was it the improved spelling.

I was trying to act as dumb as possible in my alter ego.

But ssssh, the nurse is coming with my medication.

Best winds
Tony L
NSW, 4382 posts
19 Oct 2005 6:29pm
quote:
Originally posted by Free2Kite

I have been reading these forums for a while.
And finally I had to join up and have my 2 cents worth.

I agree with those who say Tony was not bashing Cabrinha, if there was any doubt his statements that he wasn't were clear.

I also agree that kitepowers replies, both here and whenever he replies on Kiteforum, are just simple attacks on people that have no substance.

He certainly has a beef with anyone who has an alternative view and lurches into character assasination.

Anyway I hope it continues. As it has been entertaining at the least, and I think Tony's replies must be going straight over kitepowers head, otherwise why would he continue to make a fool of himself.

So that was my first go at this forum, and it was fun.


Freed



G'day Freed
Have a look at what user posted above, be honest mate, how could anyone possibly beleive that was not directed at the Crossbow in a negative way??
Just look at the thread title and a few of the other replies from Tony??
As for some of the other retorts and claims, well as I pointed out Tonys fav kite came with pulleys, and there are not 4 brands of bow kites on the market here yet, etc?????

As for kiteforum, which is really kitebrandpimpingforum, and fokitenravingcrapforum, the only people I have poked and prodded are those that talk sh1t, or who push ridiculous, unrealistic, unsafe information, like fokkerfool does. Over 99% of what I say to fokiten is designed to bait him up and let everyone see how useless his posts are and that his posts are designed to get attention for him in a very negative, childish way. His stupid rhetoric drowns out the good messages of many regular posters simply because they disagree with his extremely narrow and totally dangerous and impractical views on teaching, lofting etc.

Everyone else I help where I can.

You are totally free to think what you like though.

And Galah, no-one at Kitepower is stopping Tony from competing with us, I have no idea what you are talking about.
I was referring to the empty threat and claim that Tony made above that it is easy to beat Kitepower on service or price, especially when Tony does not have 3 retail shops all open 7 days a week and a website that offers online live help now too, as well as staff who have more combined experience in kiting than any other retailers in Oz, we just love what we do, and we love to do it well.
Tony only said that to imply or infer that Kitepower provides bad service and prices, once again using smear tactics, as he has done thoughout this thread.

Like I said, good luck to Tony, but he will need plenty of luck if he acts like the claims he has made on this forum.
I beleive this is one of the fiendliest, cleanest forums on kitesurfing and windsurfing out there, brand bashing is not needed or wanted here, and I intend to defend brands that get bashed, whether I sell that brand or not, I just like to keep it real.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
19 Oct 2005 6:06pm
someone hear a toilet flush
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
19 Oct 2005 5:54pm
quote:
Originally posted by Free2Kite

Cognitive skills, mmmmmmmmmmmm

This I am assuming is in relation to a previous posting where some one refered to a Kiteforum post. That was explained away by kitepower as just another scam. what was that reason, kite being left pumped up in a car, or something.

So my cognitive skills see this as an introduction to a line of thought.

the next referal to Cabrinha was a statement of fact about what he had seen, and subsiquently verified by Kitepower.

No need for cognitive skills there.

The further statement of "is it just an across the board problem" can maybe confuse some. However those of us with cognitive skills can read it as exactly what it says, and later statement by Tony L
qualify it as "across the board" (of kite companies).

Further cognitive skills lead one to note the uncanny resemblance in style of User to that of Kitepower. Is there some type of cloning going on down there.

Some thing else I have noticed is the kitepower attack on Tony L for selling 4 widespans. What Tony L said was " of the brands there were 4 choices of widespans" No one with cognitive skills could ever argue that this translates to "have sold 4 brands of widespans".

So USER be careful of using words that relay your own cognitive skills.

Freed




What on Earth are you on about ??

I tried all my cognitive skills on your post,but it still doesn't make any sense !

Whats your real problem ? Are you out to bash Kitepower or Cabrinha?
NSW, 4382 posts
19 Oct 2005 8:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

someone hear a toilet flush



Yes Tony, you have good ears, that was my dunny flushing away the last of your BS.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
19 Oct 2005 6:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

someone hear a toilet flush



Just stick to making ute covers Tony !

Your redneck comments are not good here !
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
19 Oct 2005 8:42pm
real good comeback on the last one Kitepower, really packed a lot of zing...

I totally disagree that he is brand bashing but if he is who cares. Keep up the arguement but i think theres only so many times that RAL INN can spell it clearly to u 2.

I think ur reading too much into it.

He used a crossbow **** up to demonstrate a wider point
theres a difference between bashing

ie- crossbows are peices of crud

and examples and discussions

ie- i saw a crossbow explode

i think we all remember the old cabrinhas with xploding bladders, is it bashing to say that they were poorly manufactured
or is it bashing to say hell fishes exploded??
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
20 Oct 2005 12:17am
lots of types of kites explode 'you naughty monkey'
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
20 Oct 2005 7:32am
Once upon a time in a land really really close.

Sir prance-alot was looking thru his telescope into the castle of princess Cabrinha. where he saw her at the window of her tower.

Just then, he saw, coming thru the door into her room that wicked sorcerer "RAL INN".

He quickly dons his shining armour jumps on his horse(19hands tall) and gallops off to save the princess.

As he gallops, the red mist of anger washes over his eyes and he prepares to do battle with the forces of evil.

As he approaches the castle he sees thru his misty eyes sentrys of the evil sorcerer lining the road way(actually their gardeners trimming the hedge) and draws out his trusty broadsword "scammer" and cuts them down as he rides past.

He pulls up at the base of the tower in a cloud of dust and calls up.

"Cabrinha Cabrinha let down your hair"

the princess looks out, "who the hell are you" she replies.

"it's Sir prancealot I've come to save you from the wicked sorcerer RAL INN and thus collect my reward and marry you", he calls back.

"you idiot! I'm just here haveing tea with my friends Countess Naish, queen Wipika, Duchess slingshot and some others. RAL INN is just here showing us how to make tastier scones. Now shove off there's a good boy.

Sir prance-alot slinks back to his stable to redirect his telescope to some other girls bedroom.

Back in the room, from a shadowy corner Baroness best says "OK girls that took 3 minutes, who bet on 3, RAL INN has the kitty."

Princess Cabrinha looks out her window and says "Who's going to clean all that Blood off my driveway".

and they lived happily ever after.

best winds
Tony L
NSW, 4382 posts
20 Oct 2005 8:10am
Damn, now the toilet is blocked. I'll have to call in the Poo man to clean up up that load.



Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
20 Oct 2005 8:17am
Atleast foils don't go BANG..........

They just bow-tie and sink.
laurie
laurie
NSW
3902 posts
NSW, 3902 posts
20 Oct 2005 11:12am

The forums have been setup to enhance your time on the water by sharing ideas, solutions and stories with others.

It's all about making great sports better

We're living in a great country, a land of opportunity - let's talk kiting, kiting and more kiting!!
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
20 Oct 2005 9:20am
That's a cute fairy-tale, RAL INN.

Making out that you're the oh so innocent, quietly baking scones out the back.
Meanwhile, Kitepower is portrayed as voyeuristic and quite handy with a sword.

Reality Check....
The topic title is the smoking gun.
'X-ploding Kites' is a clever bash bait.

Kitepower took it hook, line and sinker and came out defending his product (understandably).
Sometimes attack is the best form of defence when you've been unfairly slammed.

Let's resolve this.
Handbags at dawn I say.
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
20 Oct 2005 9:37am
Yep tis a very cute & clever fairytale
LMAO

But you just gotta love the comeback - even more.
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Damn, now the toilet is blocked. I'll have to call in the Poo man to clean up up that load.


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