All the 85cm mast winging guys will be stoked.

Haven't even gotten out on my new 795 hp mast, MA1225, MA1000, and flow235 and already feel I need more stuff with all the new releases. Really looking forward to comparisons of MA1475 vs MA1750. I've been using a HS1850 DW and I would want something with less volume. Any thoughts on whether these larger MA also feel "bigger" compared to HS (like the 1225 does) ?
Also, hope I don't wish I had gotten the 725 mast. I mainly wakefoil and DW (using 72 v1mast). For both most people seem to prefer a shorter mast than 795. Although DW I use a Foildrive so maybe some advantage in more length keeping the drive out of water?

Oahuwaterwalker said..
anyone try the 625 yet?

I'm still waiting for it. When I try it I will send you informations.

Any recent feedback on the MA1475 and MA1750 for winging? I've seen a few folks on youtube using the 1750 for downwinders and liking it, but not much in the way of comparison to existing foils.

I'm trying to figure out if i get the 1475 or the 1750 for light-wind and variable conditions e.g., 8-15kn. At 95kg i really like the MA1225 for over 13kn... so do i go for the 1750 for max time on foil (but maybe frustrated at the top end) or the 1475 for a better top end and more fun on foil (but is it too similar to the 1225)?

I want to stick to 2 foils... or maybe pick up a used HA1325 or 1525?.

The guys at RealWaterSports suggested the MA 1225=1550v2, the 1475=1850, and 1750=2050 but me using the MA1225 vs. the 1550v2, i think the 1225 needs a little more speed to get going than the 1550v2 and has a much higher top end. So i feel like the MA1225 goes more into the 1250 range and doesn't get going as low as the 1550v2.

I've been digging the 1750 winging as well at 65kgs. It is a slower foil, but it doesn't feel draggy like the 1850 feels (from what I can remember). It turns very well with the 60 fuse. Haven't tried the 50 yet. I have the glider tail on order. The speed 180 good winging, but a bit undersized on slow small bumps - but doable. The 195 gives into the forward pitching moment on the wing when pushing the speed. I'm thinking the larger tail will help with that forward pitch and keep the glide going on the pump. The 205 helps with the pitch, but not as good for pumping compared to the 195. Above is based on a handful of sessions.

The foil is a cruiser - very comfortable. I've gone the furthest upwind from my home launch on this wing, as I know I can get up in basically any wind and can also wing downwind or pump downwind very easily. Paired with the dw board btw.

Hi Radair, I tested back to back the 195 and the 180 and I found the 195 had better bottom end pumping. If you have speed they pump the same but as soon as you are loosing speed the 195 gave that extra pump that might save you for falling in the water.

So has anyone done back to back 195 and the 180 carving really hard ..?

Anyone try the MA1475 yet? Seams like a perfect size that no one is talking about.

Any chance any one could copy and paste some of that facebook info over here for the few of us that dont do facebook. I used to read when the armstrong group was public. Then they made it private and could not read it anymore

eppo said..
Plenty on facebook - have a squiz there about 1475.

Thanks. Lots of great info/people in Armstrong riders group. Found what I was looking for on MA1475.

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Oahuwaterwalker said..
anyone try the 625 yet?

I'm still waiting for it. When I try it I will send you informations.

I could try it 30 minutes today I can not say a lot because it was on flat water, gusty. 12-13 the gust and also ? holes ? of wind (5-8 knots) I could fly with 4,5 (74kg). So at least I can say it can fly pretty easy but there is not the confort of the 800 or 725 in this bad, light conditions.it looks easier than the HA525. I will try to give more feedback when I will test with more normal conditions.

Thank you!

Sonsaleta said..

Sonsaleta said..

Oahuwaterwalker said..
anyone try the 625 yet?

I'm still waiting for it. When I try it I will send you informations.

I could try it 30 minutes today I can not say a lot because it was on flat water, gusty. 12-13 the gust and also ? holes ? of wind (5-8 knots) I could fly with 4,5 (74kg). So at least I can say it can fly pretty easy but there is not the confort of the 800 or 725 in this bad, light conditions.it looks easier than the HA525. I will try to give more feedback when I will test with more normal conditions.

This makes me cautiously optimistic that a 625 might be a good add for me. As I've written before, the 800 has more slow-speed under the water drag than the 725 which (for me) translates into needing more wind or longer gusts to get on foil than the 725. Now you have me wondering if the decreased drag (due to size) of the 625 might mean that it only takes a little more (or maybe the same) wind as the 800 to get going? I look forward to hearing more.

BTW, I really love the 800 in surf once you're up and going. Such a fun stable wing that can really handle most of what I'm capable of throwing at it.

Tried the MA800 with the Speed 180 today great combo! Similar to foil speed as with 205 but more glide and acceleration. Kind of a happy medium between riding a MA and HA set up. You give up a little of the surfy feel of the 205 but it still can turn hard in waves. A little better at getting over the back of a wave and just as pitch stable (surprisingly).

eppo said..

Oahuwaterwalker said..
Tried the MA800 with the Speed 180 today great combo! Similar to foil speed as with 205 but more glide and acceleration. Kind of a happy medium between riding a MA and HA set up. You give up a little of the surfy feel of the 205 but it still can turn hard in waves. A little better at getting over the back of a wave and just as pitch stable (surprisingly).

Ooooh yeh baby. Picked up today from WA surf.





Thinner overall. Thinner chord. Slighlty more square tips. Camber totally obvious. Enough different to warrant a new tail , enough the same to hopefully keep 195 goodness. It's hink the one item my son raved about after NZ GWA thingy. Even more than the larger MA protos. Oh yeh and the 625ma

I think there will be a lot of HA195 popping up for sale.

eppo said..

Oahuwaterwalker said..
Tried the MA800 with the Speed 180 today great combo! Similar to foil speed as with 205 but more glide and acceleration. Kind of a happy medium between riding a MA and HA set up. You give up a little of the surfy feel of the 205 but it still can turn hard in waves. A little better at getting over the back of a wave and just as pitch stable (surprisingly).

Ooooh yeh baby. Picked up today from WA surf.





Thinner overall. Thinner chord. Slighlty more square tips. Camber totally obvious. Enough different to warrant a new tail , enough the same to hopefully keep 195 goodness. It's the one item my son raved about after NZ GWA thingy. Even more than the larger MA protos. Oh yeh and the 625ma

Does your son have thoughts about the amount of wind to get the 625 vs the 800 going? I'm wondering if the two are closer in what's needed due to the reduced drag on the 625. That first 0 to 5mph on the 800 remains a barrier on the low end. In lighter conditions I definitely rely on the chop+gust combo to get the 800 on foil.