Wingnutz said..

To get the Performance mast angles using your A+ mast consider this: ppcfoiling.com/product/ppc-board-shim/

Wingnuts - I am using MA1000 and 85A+ on 88l WungSUP. If I move mast forward (10) I find take off is fierce and abrupt. Do you think a board shim will help tame that?

WHS said..
If getting new performance mast, MA foil, and new 235 tail, is it necessary to to also get a new fuse? I have V1. Seems like an unneeded extra $500us.

I am still using the original fuse. Like you I never saw the purpose in spending the money to upgrade. I just have to convert what everyone else is using for shims to my old one. But it works fine. Don't know if you saw it, I posted on page 12 a few posts before yours about using the ma1225, 235,205 and 935 mast but with the old fuse. Despite what hilly said the new tails fit fine. I have had no issues putting them on the older fuse.

Sonsaleta said..
I like to have have 1 front for really light wind (now the HA1225) and after I like to have only 1 unique foil for the rest of the conditions. But I am not able still to decide between the 725 and the 800. Both have their own qualities. I didn't try with tthe 205. I use the 195 (+1 shim). I like the glide of the the 725 and this capacity to keep going pumping with the legs when there is no air in the wing. I have the feeling that I go quicker with the 725 too. The point where the 800 is clearly better is the ease to keep going after a big jump. They both start to fly early. Tough to chose definitely 1. Maybe the next MA625 could be also a
solution. ?????
Oahuwaterwalker, have you the feeling that you lose glide with the 205 compared with the 195?

Hello Sonsaleta,

I'm actually finding I have more glide with the 205, but a little less top end speed. It also helps to get all my foils up a little earlier.

Separately...

I was supposed to hand off my MA800 to a new owner today but after taking it for another session I had an epiphany. The 800 works best (for me) in the same conditions where I would normally use the HA525. The 800 is a little bit slower, the glide is about the same, the turning is very similar (you can crank turns in steep sections), but the pitch stability of the 800 makes it WAY easier to ride. When powered up on a wave, I can generate a lot of speed and glide from tight s turns across the wave face. Given how close they perform for surfing I'm thinking the 800 is the winner over the 525 for the crazy days. Being a little slower on those days is actually helpful.

While the 725 and 800 have about the same stall speed, I find that the 800 needs an additional 2 knots of wind to get to foil. I know this might sound crazy, but here's my hypothesis on the physics of this. Let's say you need a hypothetical 8 knots of board speed for the 725 and 800 to get to foil, however past 8 knots their lift performance is about the same. With almost no drag, the 725 goes from 0 to 8 knots easily. Due to extra drag, the 800 need more wind to hit 8 knots and lift. Basically, I find the 725 can get to lift speed in 10-12 knots, but the 800 needs closer to 14 which is about the same as the 525.

After today, I think I'm going to have the following wing foiling quiver:

MA1000 for days when the winds are 8-12 knots but there's a solid ground swell.

HA725 for the 10-18 knot days with rolling swell or breaking waves.

MA800 for 18 knots plus and more critical surf.

I was out recently on the MA1000 / 60F / 205 (red+blue) @ 6.5 on mast track with a 5M when the wind picked up to around 20knts. I practiced a few flat water airs (scary high with the Aluula OR) and decided I needed to test the 525 with the 205 tail.
After putting the 525 on, everything else the same, I could not keep the nose down for my life. I had to move it back from 6.5 to around 4 and I probably could have gone further back. It had been a while since I rode the 525, but I would definitely say the 205 made it easier to start and to ride. It doesn't provide much cushion on landings though! Next time I'll try it with two reds at 4.

-Had the 1225 and the 205 now for abit; I'm on the beginner end of intermediate for SUPing Surfing at this point (still haven't had time to commit to getting good on a wing). I'll say they leveled me up a notch. Definitely recommend the new tails to match the MA's; evened out foot pressure issues present with other tails. Money well spent imo.
Can say it definitely made me better; partly because it's more confidence inspiring, partly because they self recover from breaches.no user input required! I'd been struggling to come to terms with HA's previously. Some days I'd be on and they'd be great; others were a rodeo. haven't had a bad day yet on the 1225. Was on a non A+ 72 mast with 70 fuse; moved to a 60 fuse after a few sessions with the new pair (chopped V previously my go to on the 70, but to squarely at 60) and loving it.
Just got the new 795 mast in, looking forward to seeing if makes an equal amount of impact as the MA did to my game. And if it does when using both the 1225 and the HA's.
Based on my very scientific iPhone apps the twist and bend angle deflections from old to new mast are basically cut in half.

For anyone wondering how the MA1225 goes with the new MA205 surf tail, it goes great! Really lively and responsive. It's a nice upgrade over the chopped 232, but not a necessary one I'd say if all you have is a chopped 232. The MA205 is simply a more fine tuned and evolved shape. I only had a few hours on it yesterday on the wing (50 fuse, .5 shim, MA1225 in 25 knots, head high+ wind swell), but it made the 1225 extra playful and fun. I haven't received the 235 tail to compare yet. I do have the feeling at slower speeds while pumping that I can maybe too easily shove the tail down through the water column like on the HA195 tail while trying to accelerate flagged out from lower speeds. I'm hoping the MA235 will help this aspect especially for SUP foil pumping and reconnecting. On the wing, the 205 feels great though.

I had my first go on a friend's MA1000 with the 205 tail and 60 fuse recently and was blown away at the surfy turns I was getting on the wing as well. Tip out, hard carving felt super secure and positive. The huge fun factor and performance accessibility outweighed the draggier feel of the MA compared to the slipperiness and speed of the HA to me. Both are nice to have depending on what you're after for that particular session and conditions. Really happy with how the whole rig is feeling surfing and winging.

Just heard there's a MA625 coming soon.

Oahuwaterwalker said..
Just heard there's a MA625 coming soon.

And two larger sizes.

NICKKernow said..
The 235 makes the 1225 so playful over the 205 &195. Turns great, pumps up easy in light winds and has inspired me to glide more. It will only be a light wind small wave set up for me.

235 more playful than 205 Tail? I finally rode the 235 on the MA1225 (50 fuse) for the first time yesterday. For sure it helps the low end and pump (can't wait to SUP foil that combo for making connections), but the 205/MA1225, 50 fuse combo feels so much more loose, fast and playful to me. The turns on the 205 require much less pressure. I was amazed at how much more stable the rig feels on the 235 though. I tried the 205 tail on the HA925 yesterday as well and really liked how it loosened up the ride over the HA195 tail that I'd normally run. Stall speed lowered as well which was nice. I did feel the additional drag limiting the 925's speed a little but the turning ability on the swell overshadowed that small down side.

The 1225 continues to amaze me as an all round foil for a 200+ pound rider. Mellow and easy to ride when you need it to be, high performance when you want to push it. The different tails, shims and fuses really allow you to dial in the behaviour you're looking for So good!

1400 plus ish. not a rumour. Production proto sorted ive heard Wont be long. Watched someone pump this around with ease today..

For those that are interested - I am selling my Armie foil set - 935 performance mast, 1225 MA front foil and 205 tail. As new but at a significant discount. See the buy/sell section for details.

Driks said..
In a nutshell. I always wonder about Differences of foil brands. no big wave experience now but getting better in winging and jumped on axis hps range now.
I wondered about how much different frontwings are offered by Armstrong. What's the difference between the Axis hps series and the new ma from Armie for example? Both got similar AR I think. So hps isn't really high aspect!

No and nor are the Mas. Medium aspect / kinda in the name.

Hi All,
any feedback on the 800MA compared to the 725ha? Of course the 725 is faster but i'm looking for something easier on head to overhead waves. My dealer already gave me a great feedback but i would like to know more. I'm just afraid that using the all ha range i will feel stepping back on my progression and fun.
Appreciate your help. thanks

Greetings from the Armstrong Foils team (just received and email)

We're stoked to let you know that our new MA1750, 1475 and 625 foil sizes will be released publicly soon!
The 1750 and 1475 offer a boost to the range for larger riders and those seeking to push their lightwind winging and downwinding game. The 625 brings incredible speed and manoeuvrability to tow surfing and freestyle winging.

Thanks for the answer Eppo, yes for winging. i'm 60 kg, your son is a good reference even though i'm far from hos level ??