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psychojoe
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psychojoe psychojoe
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9 May 2023 2:32pm
I'm starting to wonder how many "people" on this forum are actually just Pfizer chat bots.
Carantoc
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Carantoc Carantoc
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9 May 2023 2:35pm
remery said..
"A pandemic is basically a global epidemic -- an epidemic that spreads to more than one continent,".



The WHO's definition, because they are the W of the WHO.

But a pandemic was declared in Australia, by Australian authorities.

So you are saying it was a pandemic, widespread across Australia, spreading uncontrolled but it was not "rampant".

Or are you saying it should never have been declared a pandemic in Australia, only an epidemic ?


"An epidemic of the unvaccinated", not a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ??



Edit:
I guess if you focus on the word "throughout" then yes, you could say that covid didn't run rampant "throughout" Australia, because it didn't occur in the back of FD's camper van or on an uninhabited island somewhere that nobody visited.

But in the context of the point I am not sure how it could be both an Australian pandemic, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled and not rampant, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled.
D3
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9 May 2023 2:38pm
Carantoc said..

D3 said..
Hmmmm.... So we should wait for it to infect large populations, over large areas and let spread out of control in Australia before we take any action?
Or can we use the evidence provided by other countries and take action before it happens here?



Not sure what that has to do with the price of fish.

I thought the point in hand was about vaccines ability (or inability) to reduce the spread.

People saying covid did or didn't 'run rampant', despite or because large % of the population being vaxxed.


Of course we should be pro-active. But that's a different issue.

A pandemic isn't declared on a potential basis. It is only declared at the point it becomes a pandemic.
Cyclones only get named as cyclones when they become cyclones. Not when they are blips of low pressure that may turn into a cyclone.


And so if a pandemic was declared in Australia then the spread must have been significant and increasing out of control.

I am not seeking to draw any conclusion as to effect of vaccination on spread of covid, merely that I fail to see how it could be both a pandemic and also of limited spread, only increasing at a slight rate and fully under control.


Apologies, didn't see the Forest for the trees.

It was declared Global pandemic by WHO in March 2020, so does that cover Australia enacting Pandemic responses?
It seems so long ago
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
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9 May 2023 2:38pm
psychojoe said..
I'm starting to wonder how many "people" on this forum are actually just Pfizer chat bots.


Hey look, AI in action.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
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9 May 2023 2:39pm
psychojoe said..
I'm starting to wonder how many "people" on this forum are actually just Pfizer chat bots.


Hey look, AI in action.
Carantoc
Carantoc
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Carantoc Carantoc
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9 May 2023 2:47pm
D3 said..
Apologies, didn't see the Forest for the trees.

It was declared Global pandemic by WHO in March 2020, so does that cover Australia enacting Pandemic responses?
It seems so long ago


Only partially I'd think.

There could be a global pandemic of something, but the same thing not running rampant in Australia (think of many diseases from varroa mite to whatever).

So things like international border closures could be enacted in Aus under WHO pandemic status.


But lockdowns, vaccine fast-track approvals, state border restrictions etc. sat under domestic pandemic declarations.

If covid only occurred in Australia those sorts of measure may still apply without any declarations from the WHO or any need for incoming federal border measures.

D3
D3
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D3 D3
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9 May 2023 2:56pm
Carantoc said..

D3 said..
Apologies, didn't see the Forest for the trees.

It was declared Global pandemic by WHO in March 2020, so does that cover Australia enacting Pandemic responses?
It seems so long ago



Only partially I'd think.

There could be a global pandemic of something, but the same thing not running rampant in Australia (think of many diseases from varroa mite to whatever).

So things like international border closures could be enacted in Aus under WHO pandemic status.


But lockdowns, vaccine fast-track approvals, state border restrictions etc. sat under domestic pandemic declarations.

If covid only occurred in Australia those sorts of measure may still apply without any declarations from the WHO or any need for incoming federal border measures.



Looking briefly at Biosecurity 2015, it was declared Human Biosecurity Emergency for Human Corona virus with Pandemic Potential.

So (as I understand it) that allows biosecurity measures to be enacted to prevent outbreaks, epidemics and pandemic occurring in Australia
Harrow
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Harrow Harrow
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9 May 2023 6:18pm
D3 said..
Looking briefly at Biosecurity 2015, it was declared Human Biosecurity Emergency for Human Corona virus with Pandemic Potential.

So (as I understand it) that allows biosecurity measures to be enacted to prevent outbreaks, epidemics and pandemic occurring in Australia

Well, that would explain why they then distributed a vaccine that had immunity potential.
remery
remery
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remery remery
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9 May 2023 4:44pm
Carantoc said..
Not sure what that has to do with the price of fish.

I thought the point in hand was about vaccines ability (or inability) to reduce the spread.

People saying covid did or didn't 'run rampant', despite or because large % of the population being vaxxed.


Of course we should be pro-active. But that's a different issue.

A pandemic isn't declared on a potential basis. It is only declared at the point it becomes a pandemic.
Cyclones only get named as cyclones when they become cyclones. Not when they are blips of low pressure that may turn into a cyclone.


And so if a pandemic was declared in Australia then the spread must have been significant and increasing out of control.

I am not seeking to draw any conclusion as to effect of vaccination on spread of covid, merely that I fail to see how it could be both a pandemic and also of limited spread, only increasing at a slight rate and fully under control.


I'm thinking ENdemic refers to within a country and PANdemic means beyond a country.
remery
remery
WA
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remery remery
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9 May 2023 4:47pm
Carantoc said..

remery said..
"A pandemic is basically a global epidemic -- an epidemic that spreads to more than one continent,".




The WHO's definition, because they are the W of the WHO.

But a pandemic was declared in Australia, by Australian authorities.

So you are saying it was a pandemic, widespread across Australia, spreading uncontrolled but it was not "rampant".

Or are you saying it should never have been declared a pandemic in Australia, only an epidemic ?


"An epidemic of the unvaccinated", not a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ??



Edit:
I guess if you focus on the word "throughout" then yes, you could say that covid didn't run rampant "throughout" Australia, because it didn't occur in the back of FD's camper van or on an uninhabited island somewhere that nobody visited.

But in the context of the point I am not sure how it could be both an Australian pandemic, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled and not rampant, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled.



I can be bothered looking it up, but I doubt Australia declared a pandemic in Australia. The Australian government might have agreed with WHO that there was a pandemic and it had arrived in Australia.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
9 May 2023 4:54pm
remery said..
Carantoc said..

remery said..
"A pandemic is basically a global epidemic -- an epidemic that spreads to more than one continent,".




The WHO's definition, because they are the W of the WHO.

But a pandemic was declared in Australia, by Australian authorities.

So you are saying it was a pandemic, widespread across Australia, spreading uncontrolled but it was not "rampant".

Or are you saying it should never have been declared a pandemic in Australia, only an epidemic ?


"An epidemic of the unvaccinated", not a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ??



Edit:
I guess if you focus on the word "throughout" then yes, you could say that covid didn't run rampant "throughout" Australia, because it didn't occur in the back of FD's camper van or on an uninhabited island somewhere that nobody visited.

But in the context of the point I am not sure how it could be both an Australian pandemic, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled and not rampant, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled.



I can be bothered looking it up, but I doubt Australia declared a pandemic in Australia. The Australian government might have agreed with WHO that there was a pandemic and it had arrived in Australia.


Nah, it seems SloMo declared a 'national' pandemic, whatever that is:

"The first case of coronavirus detected in Australia was on 25 January 2020 in Victoria, Scott Morrison declared the COVID-19 outbreak a national pandemic on 27 February and World Health Organisation a global pandemic on 12 March 2020."

I am not sure how you have a national pandemic and then a global one, but I guess you can if your local epidemic is part of a global 'pandemic'.

But elsewhere:

"Declaration of human biosecurity emergency
On 18 March 2020 the Governor-General declared, pursuant to section 475 of the Biosecurity Act 2015, that a human biosecurity emergency exists because human coronavirus with pandemic potential is an infectious disease:

that has entered Australian territory andthat is fatal in some cases and..."
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
2241 posts
psychojoe psychojoe
WA, 2241 posts
9 May 2023 5:04pm
FormulaNova said..

remery said..

Carantoc said..


remery said..
"A pandemic is basically a global epidemic -- an epidemic that spreads to more than one continent,".





The WHO's definition, because they are the W of the WHO.

But a pandemic was declared in Australia, by Australian authorities.

So you are saying it was a pandemic, widespread across Australia, spreading uncontrolled but it was not "rampant".

Or are you saying it should never have been declared a pandemic in Australia, only an epidemic ?


"An epidemic of the unvaccinated", not a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ??



Edit:
I guess if you focus on the word "throughout" then yes, you could say that covid didn't run rampant "throughout" Australia, because it didn't occur in the back of FD's camper van or on an uninhabited island somewhere that nobody visited.

But in the context of the point I am not sure how it could be both an Australian pandemic, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled and not rampant, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled.




I can be bothered looking it up, but I doubt Australia declared a pandemic in Australia. The Australian government might have agreed with WHO that there was a pandemic and it had arrived in Australia.



Nah, it seems SloMo declared a 'national' pandemic, whatever that is:

"The first case of coronavirus detected in Australia was on 25 January 2020 in Victoria, Scott Morrison declared the COVID-19 outbreak a national pandemic on 27 February and World Health Organisation a global pandemic on 12 March 2020."

I am not sure how you have a national pandemic and then a global one, but I guess you can if your local epidemic is part of a global 'pandemic'.

But elsewhere:

"Declaration of human biosecurity emergency
On 18 March 2020 the Governor-General declared, pursuant to section 475 of the Biosecurity Act 2015, that a human biosecurity emergency exists because human coronavirus with pandemic potential is an infectious disease:

that has entered Australian territory andthat is fatal in some cases and..."


Lucky the governer general didn't need to understand the difference between a virus and a disease to make such a declaration.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15109 posts
FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
9 May 2023 5:19pm
psychojoe said..
FormulaNova said..

remery said..

Carantoc said..


remery said..
"A pandemic is basically a global epidemic -- an epidemic that spreads to more than one continent,".





The WHO's definition, because they are the W of the WHO.

But a pandemic was declared in Australia, by Australian authorities.

So you are saying it was a pandemic, widespread across Australia, spreading uncontrolled but it was not "rampant".

Or are you saying it should never have been declared a pandemic in Australia, only an epidemic ?


"An epidemic of the unvaccinated", not a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" ??



Edit:
I guess if you focus on the word "throughout" then yes, you could say that covid didn't run rampant "throughout" Australia, because it didn't occur in the back of FD's camper van or on an uninhabited island somewhere that nobody visited.

But in the context of the point I am not sure how it could be both an Australian pandemic, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled and not rampant, defined as spreading widely and uncontrolled.




I can be bothered looking it up, but I doubt Australia declared a pandemic in Australia. The Australian government might have agreed with WHO that there was a pandemic and it had arrived in Australia.



Nah, it seems SloMo declared a 'national' pandemic, whatever that is:

"The first case of coronavirus detected in Australia was on 25 January 2020 in Victoria, Scott Morrison declared the COVID-19 outbreak a national pandemic on 27 February and World Health Organisation a global pandemic on 12 March 2020."

I am not sure how you have a national pandemic and then a global one, but I guess you can if your local epidemic is part of a global 'pandemic'.

But elsewhere:

"Declaration of human biosecurity emergency
On 18 March 2020 the Governor-General declared, pursuant to section 475 of the Biosecurity Act 2015, that a human biosecurity emergency exists because human coronavirus with pandemic potential is an infectious disease:

that has entered Australian territory andthat is fatal in some cases and..."


Lucky the governer general didn't need to understand the difference between a virus and a disease to make such a declaration.


I understand the difference, I think. Like everyone else I have taken to calling Sars-CoV-2 "Covid". It's easier, faster and it seems to really natagonise that 'crazy monkey' guy. Tamagotchi? Whatever his name was.

Governer? Oh you mean Governor?

You say Argon, I say Nitrogen.
psychojoe
psychojoe
WA
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psychojoe psychojoe
WA, 2241 posts
9 May 2023 5:23pm
FormulaNova said...


I understand the difference, I think. Like everyone else I have taken to calling Sars-CoV-2 "Covid". It's easier, faster and it seems to really natagonise that 'crazy monkey' guy. Tamagotchi? Whatever his name was.

Governer? Oh you mean Governor?

You say Argon, I say Nitrogen.



Touche. I award you 2 points
japie
japie
NSW
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japie japie
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16 May 2023 8:12am
Interesting that The Defender is the only publication to actively investigate the phenomenon of excess deaths over the past year. childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/united-kingdom-data-sharp-increase-excess-deaths/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=defender&utm_id=20230515
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15109 posts
FormulaNova FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
16 May 2023 8:16am
Yeah, bloody amazing:

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/thousands-more-aussies-dying-as-excess-deaths-rise/news-story/2e6d46659884d19d9a8d27c52808cf61

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/report-shows-australias-excess-mortality-rate-has-risen-to-levels-not-seen-since-world-war-ii/news-story/2f86a5483b9ae8363fc80082ae95ba3d

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/excess-deaths-in-2022-incredibly-high-at-13-per-cent/news-story/2a33dfeeb7476765da4e237c59f59bf7

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australian-vaccine-experts-shoot-down-claims-that-excess-deaths-were-caused-by-covid-vaccines/news-story/258463f69210d8af70fc05ce135ed89f

Must be a conspiracy hey if only one place is reporting this.

I guess the only alternative is that it is something people have looked at and you are only looking at your kooky sources.

Not the MSM! It never tells the truth (that I want to hear).
japie
japie
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16 May 2023 12:40pm
Interesting that The Defender is the only publication to actively INVESTIGATE the phenomenon of excess deaths over the past year.
remery
remery
WA
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remery remery
WA, 3709 posts
16 May 2023 11:18am



FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
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16 May 2023 1:20pm
japie said..
Interesting that The Defender is the only publication to actively INVESTIGATE the phenomenon of excess deaths over the past year.


The INTERESTING bit is that you can read the exact same info from a mainstream news source, and the likely explanations, but you only think the "investigation" is done from an alternative news source.

Unless nurse Campbell owns or works for 'The Defender" then your argument is full of holes.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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FormulaNova FormulaNova
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16 May 2023 1:24pm
Is this, in summary, the effect of better health care and isolation in the lockdown periods? So the following years effectvely have a catchup period where deaths typical for that time period catch up?

Did anyone turn around in 2020 and say 'excess deaths are down right now, so there must be a conspiracy'?

Nope, because that is logic, and we don't apply logic when there is a good story to tell at the pub.
remery
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remery remery
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16 May 2023 2:30pm
That's a lot of excess deaths before vaccines became available It's almost like there was a global pandemic killing people.
hitch_hiker
hitch_hiker
WA
492 posts
hitch_hiker hitch_hiker
WA, 492 posts
17 May 2023 5:49pm

Dr Aseem Malhotra- Prominent British Cardiologist - twice jabbed - interesting conversation

open.spotify.com/episode/43D9PMFx0j9BdbpcS9meBY?si=3OdTK3e3SLG_vpNK4zpRgQ
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
japie japie
NSW, 7146 posts
17 May 2023 8:50pm
hitch_hiker said..

Dr Aseem Malhotra- Prominent British Cardiologist - twice jabbed - interesting conversation

open.spotify.com/episode/43D9PMFx0j9BdbpcS9meBY?si=3OdTK3e3SLG_vpNK4zpRgQ


Listened last week.He wouldn't be too popular with the pharmaceutical community.

Guess that's why he doesn't get invited to speak on the legacy media.

Guess that's why the legacy media is rapidly becoming irrelevant.
myscreenname
myscreenname
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myscreenname myscreenname
2485 posts
17 May 2023 7:02pm
japie said..
Guess that's why the legacy media is rapidly becoming irrelevant.


Sheepies should feel extremely privileged to have unfettered access to this confidential and special information.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
lotofwind lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
17 May 2023 9:07pm
myscreenname said..

japie said..
Guess that's why the legacy media is rapidly becoming irrelevant.



Sheepies should feel extremely privileged to have unfettered access to this confidential and special information.


He has the secret sheep info from the German Secret Society, ssshhhhhhhh.
D3
D3
WA
1595 posts
D3 D3
WA, 1595 posts
17 May 2023 7:37pm
japie said..

hitch_hiker said..

Dr Aseem Malhotra- Prominent British Cardiologist - twice jabbed - interesting conversation

open.spotify.com/episode/43D9PMFx0j9BdbpcS9meBY?si=3OdTK3e3SLG_vpNK4zpRgQ



Listened last week.He wouldn't be too popular with the pharmaceutical community.

Guess that's why he doesn't get invited to speak on the legacy media.

Guess that's why the legacy media is rapidly becoming irrelevant.


Nah he got invited on to a show to talk about statins, cos he's famous cardiologist, and he instead went on an Anti-Covid vaccine rant instead.

They wanted a respected cardiologists insights into the topic of statins safety, but instead got a dime-a-dozen anti-covid vaccine nutter
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
lotofwind lotofwind
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17 May 2023 10:11pm
"dime-a-dozen anti-covid vaccine nutter," thats funny , LOL
I did some work in Nimbin recently, met some great people living off the land alternative lifestyle crew. Respect to them.
Then there were the antivax, antigov. anti round world types. lol Wow, I mean WOW, lost causes.
Plenty of them in Nimbin, maybe there needs to be a peer review into mushrooms, acid and pot that makes people paranoid that the government is trying to kill them and make the flat earth round.
Is it a coincidence that most that get sucked into this type of thing wear tie dye shirts and say dude and man a lot?
remery
remery
WA
3709 posts
remery remery
WA, 3709 posts
17 May 2023 8:19pm
"Inadequate support: Malhotra's claim that COVID-19 vaccines might do more harm than good is based on anecdotal evidence and low-quality studies-some of them disputed-that are insufficient to support his claim.
Cherry-picking: The article cited mainly studies suggesting a negative effect of COVID-19 vaccines, but didn't acknowledge the wider body of evidence showing that the vaccines are safe and effective.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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Carantoc Carantoc
WA, 7300 posts
17 May 2023 8:27pm
Whatever did happen to Dude and Man ?

Maybe they are hanging out with eyemhardcore (and lotto) in Nimbin.
hitch_hiker
hitch_hiker
WA
492 posts
hitch_hiker hitch_hiker
WA, 492 posts
18 May 2023 8:20am
japie said..

hitch_hiker said..

Dr Aseem Malhotra- Prominent British Cardiologist - twice jabbed - interesting conversation

open.spotify.com/episode/43D9PMFx0j9BdbpcS9meBY?si=3OdTK3e3SLG_vpNK4zpRgQ



Listened last week.He wouldn't be too popular with the pharmaceutical community.

Guess that's why he doesn't get invited to speak on the legacy media.

Guess that's why the legacy media is rapidly becoming irrelevant.


Thats why peeps like Rogan **** all over the dinosaurs of legacy
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