D3 said..
So why bring it up? It seems you were trying to make FN reconsider the safety of these vaccines by bringing up the scary numbers of "1000s of adverse reactions listed in the 9 pages'.

But maybe you didn't know what the document actually contained, in which case it's just another one of your many posts where you have taken someone elses claims blatant misrepresentation of facts for purpose of fear mongering at face value without verifying them yourself.

As someone who claims to be a recognisable face of these discussions, surely you can see that these sorts posts don't help your credibility?

And then to claim that you don't care that your post was inaccurate at best, or that it could be read as deliberately misleading?
What am I to make of that?

D3 after 2 years of engaging in this topic I haven't worried about my credibility. I'm not ashamed of what I've written. I'll admit I've lost my cool on a couple of occasions due to some members total lack of empathy at other people's misfortunes. It's funny you bring up the topic of credibility, who is D3? We have no idea who you are. You question mine while you stay anonymous. See the irony? I'm all for staying anonymous on forums, I think it's good, but it's kind of comical being questioned about my credibility from a mystery person. I'm not here making fun of the vaccine injured. I've known multiple people to be injured by this vaccine. There's 3 people on this tiny test sample of a Seabreeze forum thread who have been injured. OK, Pyschojoe and Harrow's daughter. What's the odds of that? I'm just trying to show that there is a risk in taking these vaccines that is beyond what was marketed to us. I could shut up and say nothing but I had empathy for those that did end up getting injured, so I spoke up. You claim that I'm fear mongering but that is not one millionth the fear mongering that we've just been through for the past 3 years in opposite of what I'm presenting. You say that I was trying to make FN reconsider getting his fifth jab. He already stated he's probably not getting it. He didn't need me to convince him. He's not getting the fifth jab because he's considered the pros and cons and he's decided the cons outweigh the pros. I'm happy he can make that decision without losing his job.

Flying Dutchman said..

D3 said..
So why bring it up? It seems you were trying to make FN reconsider the safety of these vaccines by bringing up the scary numbers of "1000s of adverse reactions listed in the 9 pages'.

But maybe you didn't know what the document actually contained, in which case it's just another one of your many posts where you have taken someone elses claims blatant misrepresentation of facts for purpose of fear mongering at face value without verifying them yourself.

As someone who claims to be a recognisable face of these discussions, surely you can see that these sorts posts don't help your credibility?

And then to claim that you don't care that your post was inaccurate at best, or that it could be read as deliberately misleading?
What am I to make of that?

D3 after 2 years of engaging in this topic I haven't worried about my credibility. You don't have to worry about your credibility either because you're anonymous on here. I don't think I need to be ashamed of much of what I've written on this topic. I'll admit I've lost my cool on a couple of occasions due to some members total lack of empathy at other people's misfortunes. I'm not here making fun of the vaccine injured. I've known multiple people to be injured by this vaccine. There's 3 people on this tiny test sample of a Seabreeze forum thread who have been injured. OK, Pyschjoe and Harrow's daughter. What's the odds of that? I'm just trying to show that there is a risk in taking these vaccines that is beyond what was marketed to us. I could shut up and say nothing but I had empathy for those that did end up getting injured, so I spoke up. You claim that I'm fear mongering but that is not one millionth the fear mongering that we've just been through for the past 3 years in opposite of what I'm presenting. You say that I was trying to make FN reconsider getting his fifth jab. He already stated he's probably not getting it. He didn't need me to convince him. He's not getting the fifth jab because he's considered the pros and cons and he's decided the cons outweigh the pros. I'm happy he can make that decision without losing his job.

Regarding credibility: I don't know who you are apart from what I've seen here. Which is someone, who despite noble intentions, keeps posting incorrect information or links to it. I, as a stranger, would certainly think more of your opinion and intentions if you backed it up with correct information.
If you were a mate of mine, I'd still take you to task on errors in representing information to support your position.

If you don't care that the information you post is incorrect or not, how am I to take anything you post seriously?

You can have empathy and show support for OK, Joe, Harrow and their families without using falsehoods to push a broader narrative.

As I have said before, I really hope OKs condition improves soon, it sounds absolutely devastating.
None of us would wish this on anyone, and in an ideal world something as rare of this wouldn't have happened at all.

But we don't live in an ideal world.

On the subject of credibility. We've dismissed VAERS because apparently anti vaxxers just make stuff up, so where are we getting our knowledge of the new stuff being "Safe and Effective TM". Is there a secret conspiracy injury reporting service?
We certainly can't compare numbers against a control group since a statistically significant control group was disallowed.

Looks as if even 'maim' stream media have jumped the fence and are barking from the other side

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova .
So given that its a significant part of Australia, I guess I can say that Covid didn't run rampant (a scientific term?) throughout Australia.

You had a 50/50 chance to get the answer right. Answer was A, it went rampant. Remember when it was announced, "We've let it rip?".
Hands up on here who didn't run into Covid either personally, through a family or friend. We either all had it or were in close proximity to it. That is my scientific definition of rampant.

Oh, that was a quiz? I thought you were genuine and didn't know the answer?

You should be more clear when its a quiz so that I can understand correctly. I was thinking that maybe you were doing your own research.

FormulaNova said..
No one cares who you are.

Except for D3 who brought up something about my credibility.

FormulaNova .
No, like most people he is probably taking your credibility from what you post and how you react when cornered.

I sort of agree. You posted a video about Pfizer seemingly admitting that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission. It doesn't say that at all, and the woman's actual answer is pretty stupid as well. To me, that suggests that you didn't really watch it.

From that I would guess you are just posting things that other people send you and treating them as gospel.

Please get your 5th jab FN so we don't have to call you an anti-vaxxer.

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova .
No, like most people he is probably taking your credibility from what you post and how you react when cornered.

I sort of agree. You posted a video about Pfizer seemingly admitting that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission. It doesn't say that at all, and the woman's actual answer is pretty stupid as well. To me, that suggests that you didn't really watch it.

From that I would guess you are just posting things that other people send you and treating them as gospel.

Please get your 5th jab FN so we don't have to call you an anti-vaxxer.

I prefer '5th jab denier' if you don't mind.

In my opinion an 'anti-vaxxer' is a bit more black and white than I. They would be struggling, strapped down, incapacitated, just to get the first.

See, even there, you didn't respond to my accusation that you posted a crappy video that didn't mean what you said it meant. You just went on with the 5th jab jibe.

And you wonder why your credibility is questioned? It's not because we now know supposedly who you are (but don't care).

Flying Dutchman said..
Hey FN & myscreenname I might be putting up the odd 'dodgy link' but the difference is most people on here know who I am by name where as you two are anonymous.

Just to be clear, just because you're well known doesn't mean we automatically know which things you post are true and which ones are dodgy.

If you don't care about the accuracy of your posts, why should we?

FormulaNova said..

Flying Dutchman said..

FormulaNova .
No, like most people he is probably taking your credibility from what you post and how you react when cornered.

I sort of agree. You posted a video about Pfizer seemingly admitting that the vaccine doesn't stop transmission. It doesn't say that at all, and the woman's actual answer is pretty stupid as well. To me, that suggests that you didn't really watch it.

From that I would guess you are just posting things that other people send you and treating them as gospel.

Please get your 5th jab FN so we don't have to call you an anti-vaxxer.

I prefer '5th jab denier' if you don't mind.

In my opinion an 'anti-vaxxer' is a bit more black and white than I. They would be struggling, strapped down, incapacitated, just to get the first.

See, even there, you didn't respond to my accusation that you posted a crappy video that didn't mean what you said it meant. You just went on with the 5th jab jibe.

And you wonder why your credibility is questioned? It's not because we now know supposedly who you are (but don't care).

"crappy video" - well it's all relative and just perspective. For example every single thing you write I think is utter crap. But who cares. Move along.

You are a vax dernier because is you believe the science, well its still pimping the 5th - and if you don't get it then you are consider not vaxxed.
Can't say immunised, as we know this "vaxxine" / gene therapy doesn't cause immunisation. Mostly just harm.

FormulaNova said..
Oh dear, I saw a post from Hitchhiker in incognito mode. I have him/her/it in the hidden posts list.

Now I remember why I added that name ages ago. Shame I can't reply.

like I said blah blah blah - knob jockey

If covid didn't run rampant, then was it even a pandemic ?

If the disease is limited to an isolated region, epidemiologists may refer to it as an outbreak.
When it is actively spreading or growing out of control, they may refer to it as an epidemic.
Once the disease affects large populations across borders, it is regarded as a pandemic

So to be a pandemic it has to be infecting large populations, over large areas and growing or spreading out of control.

To be rampant I'd have thought it would have to be infecting large populations, over large areas and growing or spreading out of control.


It was classified as a pandemic in Australia, much of the legislation (including vaccine approval) was based on it being a pandemic. If it wasn't running rampant then why was it a pandemic and not just a threat or a risk or something of concern ?

Flying Dutchman said..

D3 said..
Plenty of people go haven't had Covid. Official numbers are still less 50% of population, even taking into consideration the underreported cases I don't think your claim is true.
This is backed up by the fact that there are plenty of people who haven't caught it yet, I even work with 3.

How do you get natural protection? You have to catch the disease first, so anyone encountering the disease for the first time is actually unprotected. (Unless they're vaccinated)

Unless you've been living in a cave by yourself there's a 100% chance you've mixed with Covid positive people. Everyone has come into contact with Covid by now. If you show no symptoms then you are one of significant proportion of the population that are asymptomatic.

I just pulled this link out of Google there's countless ones on the topic.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/14/covid-symptoms-40-coronavirus-cases-asymptomatic-study-finds/6495693001/

The assumption your making here is that everyone who encounters the virus then catches the virus. Not everyone will then become asymptomatic, your missing the possibility that they might not catch the virus at all.

But I'll grant you that with more than 10million cases recorded in the past 18 months, it's likely that most people in have encountered Covid. But this does not mean they have caught Covid.

Funnily enough I do know I couple of real nutters who kept themselves isolated on their property for most of last year, they're some of the few who won't have encountered it yet

Carantoc said..
If covid didn't run rampant, then was it even a pandemic ?
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It was classified as a pandemic in Australia, much of the legislation (including vaccine approval) was based on it being a pandemic. If it wasn't running rampant then why was it a pandemic and not just a threat or a risk or something of concern ?

"A pandemic is basically a global epidemic -- an epidemic that spreads to more than one continent,".

"rampant ? ?(of something bad) existing or spreading everywhere in a way that cannot be controlled synonym unchecked."

Flying Dutchman asked, "Did Covid run rampant throughout Australia?"

I'm starting to wonder how many "people" on this forum are actually just Pfizer chat bots.