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Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
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28 May 2009 9:56am
pictures of the new sail




landyacht
landyacht
WA
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28 May 2009 3:48pm
That gear looks just bthe part . Ive cut a ouple of those sails up andthey work quite well. your gear looks to be in really good condition. maybe you should learn to windsurf as well
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
29 May 2009 2:12pm
Yeah its in really good condtion exexpt for the plastic stuff on the sail is comming off a little but for 150 dollars for all that i thought was a good deal ( exept the surfboards in the background)
ohk so i just use that forum how to cut the sail?
the sail is 4.8x1.83 or something

Yeah me and a couple of friends went and tryed to windsurf hmmm didnt work all that well haha , once i cut the sail and everything i wont be able to use it for windsurfing anymore will i?

I was thinking about taking all the foot straps off and taking out the center board and fibreglassing it smooth and turn it into a paddle board.
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
5 Jun 2009 10:30am
how long does the mast step have to be?
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
9 Jun 2009 3:52pm
how long mast step be and how far from the rear x member
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
9 Jun 2009 7:07pm
Its clearly written on the plans, heres the link to the info:

www.seabreeze.com.au/Media/View/10780/Land%20Yachting/

If your building (or even thinking about the design) you should probably save and print off all the plan pages to help you along while your working. No harm in having the reference material close by. Its what I do
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
11 Jun 2009 1:23am
Good advice there Lachy. I did it before I built.
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
15 Jun 2009 11:26am
is the mast step the tube that the mast slides into?
how does the mast go into the mast step becuase at the bottom of the mast it has a steel section where it tensions the sail.?
now all i need to do is write a cutting list

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WA
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WA, 2775 posts
15 Jun 2009 9:43am
Cameronc said...

is the mast step the tube that the mast slides into?
how does the mast go into the mast step becuase at the bottom of the mast it has a steel section where it tensions the sail.?
now all i need to do is write a cutting list



The mast should just slide into the mast step until it bottoms out on the main chassis spine (which the mast step is welded onto.)
On my lefroy mini the mast is a pretty sloppy fit, so I used a piece of thin walled plastic plumbing pipe as a sleeve between the mast and the mast step tube to take up some of the slop.

urethane bushes for steering shaft:

40mm O.D. X 20mm I.D.

part no. 90389-14056P made by "TERRAIN TAMER" I think they are landcruiser suspension bushes. you will need 2 of them.

Then you need to find a piece of 40mm I.D. steel tube about 120mm to 130mm long for the bushes to be pressed into to make the steering head.
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
15 Jun 2009 3:23pm

Center spine = 1250mm x 60 x 1.6mm
Cross member 1310mm x 60 x 1.6mm
Axel extension = 120 x 30mmx30mm x 1.6mm x 2
Axels 410 x width of wheel bearings


this is cutting list for just the basic frame just dont know how much biggest should the Inside diamater of the mast step compared to the mast ID
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
15 Jun 2009 5:11pm
Cameron, have you printed out a set of plans yet?
If not ...you will need to.

Once you have printed a copy have, take your time and have a close look at them. ALL the measurements are there.

sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
15 Jun 2009 4:35pm
Cameron-

If you are using 60mm steel tube for your main chassis spine- you use the same tube for the mast step.

your mast will probably be a loose fit- but that is ok- just use a piece of plastic SWV plumbing pipe as a sleeve.

I had to slice about 10mm down the length of the pipe to allow the mast to fit.

I will try and pry our camera away from my wife, and get some photos so you can see what I mean,

like the other fella's on the forum have suggested- try and print out as much as you can so you can get a real good look at each diagram and you will find it much easier to organise.
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
16 Jun 2009 11:51am
yes i printed them all out

For DNT you need an invovation and i was thinking my innovation should be a weldless landyacht so i can pull it appart and pack it away easyily would this work any good?
sn
sn
WA
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WA, 2775 posts
16 Jun 2009 11:44am
I have heard of landyachts being built using scaffolding tube and clamps- but I think it would add quite a bit of weight compared to welding.

When you unbolt the rear axles and slide them out, and remove the front wheel assembly and backrest-the lefroy mini landyacht is small enough to pack into the boot of a falcon, or fit in the back of station wagons.

With a bit of thinking you could even slide the rear axles IN as far as they go- to make the yacht narrower,
and after removing the front wheel assembly-(one bolt and 1 pin) you could make a lightweight tow hitch that slides into the steering head, and hooks onto a bicycle!

As long as your mast is collapsable, you could strap your mast, boom, sail and front wheel assembly onto the seat of the yacht and tow it yourself!

Hows that for innovation!
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
17 Jun 2009 9:50am
i think im going to do it this way

have a plate welded onto the center spine and a plate the same size welded onto the bottom of the mast step and bolt it on.
same thing to join the rear x member to the spine
have removable axle extensions
and removable front wheel etc

should be alright

got some steel yesterday some of it is a little bit thicker eg 2.2mm and 65x65 instead of 60x60 i hope its not going to be to heavy?
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
17 Jun 2009 5:58pm
just bought some gal for the frame ( no steel bought for the steering yet) all i need now to make basic frame is axels and wheels ( wheel barrow wheels comming in next week) and i didnt realise the axel extensions were so much smaller then the rear x member maybe something was lost in translation?







landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
17 Jun 2009 5:19pm
Making the rear axle set up removable could work nicely , given the materials youve chosen .
I wouldnt recommend making the mast step removable. this is the most stressed point on the yacht and would require really heavy plates . a couple of the lads have tried it and inevitably something bends or breaks
kiwi307
kiwi307
488 posts
488 posts
18 Jun 2009 3:52am
Perhaps we should encourage Cameron to try this, rather than say it won't work?
As he has said innovation is part of this project,have a go. If it fails then you will have learned something Cameron, if it doesn't you might be prepared to pass on some knowledge you have gained!
I seem to remember a large number of people saying these type of chassis would never work when they appeared (the unbraced mast type). Boy were they wrong?
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
18 Jun 2009 5:56pm
im going to weld the mast step just because its really not that long and will be easy as to transport.

Got a quote from a fibreglassing supply shop in QLD for 2.5 sqm of fibreglass to do 2 layers of chopped strand fibreglass with 10 litres of resin and a coat of flowcoat and blue pigment i will order probably on monday
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
18 Jun 2009 6:20pm
EDIT

2sqm strand mat = $12
5 litres polyester resin = 40 dollars
flow coat around 15 dollars
18 dollars resin pigment

so overall now a very expensive seat
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
18 Jun 2009 4:44pm
Ive never use flow coat as it is applied as a coating to finish the seat.
personally ive found that a coat of etch primer and then just enamel paint is a good alternative. anybody else have thoughts on that one. the pigment seemed a bit pricey.
dont forget to cost in the catalyst, some brushes , acetone(1/2 L) a box of gloves from the supermarket and a little fibreglass roller
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
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18 Jun 2009 7:58pm
Cameron-
dont forget you have most likely got a woodwork teacher at your school who would probably like to help,

my plywood seat would have cost about $30.00 if I had to purchase the plywood, high strength glue, button head screws and paint.
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
22 Jun 2009 10:28am
ohk i dont know how but for some reason i thought i needed to order 60x60 mm RHS for rear cross member when i really needed 35x35 hmmmmmm would the 60x60 work or would it be to heavy. i wondered why the cross member was so much bigger then the axel extensions.

What should i do cut up the pience of 60x60 and use it for test welding?

i think having a 60mm wide center spine round tube going onto a 60x60 rear x member would make it alot easyer to weld but adding a little more weight but this would allow me to add the "skii's when i ever need to and i think my seat should be farly light so should be under the 35kgs
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
22 Jun 2009 8:21pm
Cameron- you are best sticking to the plans as close as you can, and keeping the weight down where ever possible.
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
23 Jun 2009 2:04pm
ohk i am going to get this now


RHS Cross member 1310mm x 35 (around 1.6-2mm thick)
RHS steering 120 x 30x30 rhs 2mm thick ( that bushes go into)
130mm rodx12mm for mast step reo
and with this picture


with the 20mm solid bar how long does it have to be? and how big that brace thing to join the steering bar to the fork?
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
23 Jun 2009 7:05pm
mesurement is on the drawing, doh
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
23 Jun 2009 8:01pm
1 x chassis rear axle-35 x 35 x 2mm square tube, 500mm long

1 x steering head-130mm long, tube Inside Diameter and type will depend on what bushes you use.

1 x mast step tube-60 x 2mm galv tube, 250mm long

1 x mast step brace-10mm or 12mm rod, 130mm long

1 x socket for rear seat support-30 x 30 x 2mm square tube, 80mm long

2 x rear axle braces-10 or 12mm rod,240mm long

1 x rear seat support-25 x 25 x 2mm, square tube, 650mm long

1 x hand brake-25 x 25 x 2mm square tube, 400mm long

1 x hand brake tip- 25 x 6mm plate, 45mm long

1 x hand brake bracket-25 x 6mm plate,(cant remember how long) 80mm should do

2 x axle extensions-30 x 30 x 2mm square tube, 500mm long

front end-30 x 30 x 2mm square tube-1 @ 240mm,
-1 @120mm,
1 x front axle shaft- 165mm x 20mm( or dia. to suit your chosen bearings)
1 x steering shaft-300mm approx x 20mm (or dia. to suit your chosen bushes)
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yet to be added-
pedal assembly,
chain links for mast tie-down point
rear seat mount brackets,
anything else?
Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
25 Jun 2009 9:56am
just a few things

what is

1 x socket for rear seat support-30 x 30 x 2mm square tube, 80mm long
???
what is 1 x rear seat support-25 x 25 x 2mm, square tube, 650mm long
why is it 650mm long?

Cameronc
Cameronc
NSW
78 posts
NSW, 78 posts
30 Jun 2009 2:10pm
bump
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
2 Jul 2009 9:11am
Cam- you need to go back over the plans and have a good look at how the whole land yacht is assembled, and some of the other fella's on the forum have posted really good photos that show excellent detail of the construction stages.

The socket is at the back of the rear frame in the centre, welded on an angle so that it slopes up.

The socket is where the rear seat support "plugs in".

At the top of the seat support there is a loop of chain welded, a pully is mounted on this chain.

sorry it took a while for me to gety back to you- I work on a minesite- and computer access is pretty crook- and doesnt allways work very well.
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