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mkseven
mkseven
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15 Aug 2007 5:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by Leech

This topic had me wondering just how quick I could actually get out of my harness if I ever needed to. I realised my harness actually has a quickrelease system! (not joking this time)

http://www.pro-limit.com/displayfeaturev4comp.php?feature_id=44

You pull on the webbing ring and the pin releases the spreader bar. Because this is the mechanism you're using to get into and out of the harnes normally it doesn't clog up. I can get out of my harnes in less than 2 seconds.

It's a kite harness but it works fine for windsurfing.

If only I had have spared the nastiness, perhaps this could have solved OG's probs. Sorry OG.



I use the same thing, it seemed that Oceangirl didn't want to hear of the solutions currently available.

Anyone that listens to the bad advise from "experts" in the shops has issues. I hope she has a more enjoyable time being dunked and hoisted.

It's just as well I'm not in the windsurfing product hierarchy, if I learned of this happening at a shop that sold my products I would pull distribution rights from them pretty quick.
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
193 posts
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15 Aug 2007 5:10pm
Well who is the shop? Beleieve me I know this is what happens when you own a shop and leave it for the afternoon for the kite kook to run. Thats why none of the shop owners get to sail much.
mkseven
mkseven
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15 Aug 2007 5:48pm
OG declined to mention.

I don't mind passionate people pushing their wares but...

OG: "Hello expert, I got trapped in my harness whilst windsurfing and would like to know some of some alternatives"

Expert: "Well there is teabagging, that certainly wont happen then"

It's a pretty damn sh***ty answer.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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15 Aug 2007 6:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by Leech


If only I had have spared the nastiness, perhaps this could have solved OG's probs. Sorry OG.



No point. Decrep, Elmo and I all told here how to get over the fear thru slowly training and slowly building up to a practice "escape" from being trapped. She ignored that advice and continued to whine.

holgs
holgs
WA
303 posts
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16 Aug 2007 11:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by choco

For the last 10 years i have used the spreader bar with the roller instead of the hook.Earlier this year i purchased a new seat harness and sailed with the new spreader bar after 1 session replaced the bar with my old roller.
Advantages(roller)no friction on the lines this makes it easier to feel the power in the sail.
Should you get catapulted? all the times it happened to me i have never had the lines caught in the bar
Disadvantges:when i first used it the lines sometimes dropped off the bar when sailing,i learn't to keep pressure on the lines and have never had a problem since.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5547



I've also been using a Reactor Bar like the one pictured here by Choco for the last 10+ years. Since it doesn't have a hook it's impossible to stay hooked in once you've taken your weight off the harness line. (But then in 20+ years of windsurfing even with a normal bar I've never been hooked in under water, touch wood ). Give it a try. It will make your harness lines last a lot longer too.
Holgs
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
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17 Aug 2007 10:13am

I use that exaxt same reactor bar and ive had it twist up on me!
king of the point
king of the point
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17 Aug 2007 10:51am
Look at all the tounges hanging out.
I was sailing with me mate Dezzi years ago at Victor Harbour South Australia, at a place called the Cause Way, on a run backwards and forwards to Granite island.Just off the beach there are some really nice waves,my board was a bit quicker than his.
Anyway i thought it would be cool to pass him up wind ,we were both planning.So i watched my rail didnt hit him ,but completely forgot about the Boomboras trianglar softsails boom length of 180cm plus.This slid along his back and instantly catapulted me right in front of him.He catapulted rightover the top of me . I was hooked in with 10m2 of sail to get out from under.
Lesson learn
MintoxGT
MintoxGT
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17 Aug 2007 11:27am
Sorry to hyjack the thread, may I ask this?

So the reactor bar demands commitment to the harness, a good thing.

It also alows you to move a bit easier on the harness lines due to the roller, another good thing.

It can let the harness lines fall free more easliy, is that just due to not committing? other than the fact that the roller has less surface area that a hook.

So why has the reactor bar not been as popular? or similar makes, Im not bagging the reactor bar at all, I just mean similar types of rolles bar setups?

I have looked at them and thought I would be continuosly be loosing the harness lines, but I guess if you commit %100 you should be ok.

Am I ok to assume (Yes I am good at making an ass out of myself) thet the reactor style is more for experienced seasoned sailors?

Any feedback would be great, I will post this in the other thread as well.

Thanks GT
king of the point
king of the point
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17 Aug 2007 11:35am
Ractor bars facing down ...u carnt see the line.....no good doods
The Grinch
The Grinch
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17 Aug 2007 4:49pm

Thw swivelly bit on the reactor bar jams after a few weeks use.

It still chews your harness lines but just a little less than a hook.
Richiefish
Richiefish
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17 Aug 2007 9:40pm
I kinda miss Ocean girl........?
Greenroom
Greenroom
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17 Aug 2007 9:32pm
Without me reading this thread can someone summerise it for me
Bloody internet cafe
Wineman
Wineman
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17 Aug 2007 11:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by Greenroom

Without me reading this thread can someone summerise it for me
Bloody internet cafe



...OK...don't get stuck under your sail...you may drown[}:)]
decrepit
decrepit
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17 Aug 2007 9:59pm
Don't forget the, spit the dummy, ignore all the advice, and give up windsurfing bit!!!
hardpole
hardpole
WA
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17 Aug 2007 10:29pm
Hopefully she hasn't given up windsurfing, perhaps just this forum/thread. I know when I've been caught under with harness, or just caught under the sail in the shore break (no quick release possible for that one) its been very scary so I have sympathy.
oceangirl
oceangirl
WA
35 posts
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18 Aug 2007 9:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by Richiefish

I kinda miss Ocean girl........?






It's all good; guys. I had my private kitesurfing lesson and I went to therapy. But not necessarily in that order. hehe
I'm having counselling for my harness phobia and this very post itself is all part of my ongoing treatment. Dr's orders.
I'm also taking a course of meds.
His advice to me was that I should face up to my demons and confront my toughest critics. Does that mean I should harden up ? He described my near death experience/chicken ** attitude as follows;

"Just say I was on the bombed out bus when the terrorists hit London this year; and I escaped physically unharmed with my life.
Would I be brave enough to catch the same 8.30am bus the next morning to go to work as per usual ?"

Or should I just use an alternative method to achieve the same outcome ? Like driving to work in my car for example.
I might get gridlocked in traffic, it may be difficult to find a parking spot, and I might get roadraged to hell, but hey I'm captain of my own ship, plotting my own course, and in some control of my own destiny.
Confident and assurtive, that's what I'm striving for.

Thanks guys for all your tolerance and patience. Don't ever say I never take your advice, I'm doing some of what you said. Bye.

PS. I haven't sold my windsurfing gear as yet, I'll keep my options open for a little while.
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
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18 Aug 2007 11:40pm
quote:
Originally posted by The Grinch


Thw swivelly bit on the reactor bar jams after a few weeks use.

It still chews your harness lines but just a little less than a hook.



The roller on my 10 year reactor bar still spins it has never siezed up...maybe in salt water it could.
decrepit
decrepit
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18 Aug 2007 10:23pm
Good one ocean girl looks like you're on the right track, (except for the kiting bit, I'm sure that's much less safe than windsurfing!). Facing up to and accepting what's really happening in your head is 3/4 of the battle, seems you've now done that.
Anyway, good luck and have fun!!!!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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19 Aug 2007 11:03am
quote:
Originally posted by oceangirl

quote:
Originally posted by Richiefish

I kinda miss Ocean girl........?







I'm having counselling for my harness phobia and this very post itself is all part of my ongoing treatment. Dr's orders.



Oh really? Top stuff! What did your Dr think about all the good advice on here? I mean, if you are serious you would have told him people's ideas like doing "the Elmo" and asked if they would help.

Oh no that's right you did not EVER acknowledge nor discuss those ideas for getting over it. Each time a valid technique was passed on, straight away you'd divert attention to another aspect of the thread.


Either you are a TROLL or you are some sort of professional whinger, maybe looking to sue your harness company and use this thread as some sort of evidence.
Harsh? I don't think so cos we all tried long and hard to be nice to you and help the newbie overcome her fears.
Maybe you could tell me where in Perth you live? Where you sail? I'll supply a pool, a full rig and a medical professional to stand by and we'll practice getting out of a harness underwater. I dare you........... because YOU KNOW it will work but you are avoiding it.
Bloody shrink!....... now I've heard it all....


Wineman
Wineman
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19 Aug 2007 1:25pm
Weeeeelll.
There we have two ways of looking at it - Decrep & Mark-Oz.

Only time will tell which one has the right attitude
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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19 Aug 2007 12:39pm
I'd love to have to say sorry to her when she proves she's serious, but somehow I think the troll has been caught out

decrepit
decrepit
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19 Aug 2007 7:17pm
To me what she is saying makes sense, even if she doesn't get back into windsurfing. Just acknowledging that she has a "phobia" instead of being in denial about it and blaming the harness, is a big step forward.
At least she's living in reality now an can get on with her life. (hopefully)
MintoxGT
MintoxGT
WA
975 posts
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19 Aug 2007 11:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wineman

quote:
Originally posted by Greenroom

Without me reading this thread can someone summerise it for me
Bloody internet cafe



...OK...don't get stuck under your sail...you may drown[}:)]



Thats funny
oceangirl
oceangirl
WA
35 posts
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20 Aug 2007 9:16am
quote:
Originally posted by hardie


Same thing happened to me with kiting. On my second lesson, I got launched with the instructor holding onto me, yelling at me to pull the safety release which failed, feeling the full force of a kite, how easy it would be to get killed, just crapped myself. I had kitemares all that night, cancelled my 3rd lesson, and have never gone back to it. I never got to the STOKE of kiting which all the kiters talk about, so I had no incentive or motivation to go back to it. When people talk about how safe kiting is these days, I immediately have a flashback to that event, where I thought I would be killed and the safety release just failed on me.



Poor Hardie, I feel your mental anguish. You'll get no sympathy from Dr Mark. Just the same naive advice that I received. His simplistic recommendation to 'don't panic'.
He doesn't understand because he hasn't been personally affected.
He brushes off my mental heath care with his usual dismissive contempt.
elmo
elmo
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20 Aug 2007 10:40am
Mark

You have been official told!

You are a very naughty boy

You should be more sensitive to other peoples whatever's



For punishment you must go to work today
decrepit
decrepit
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20 Aug 2007 7:18pm
OK I admit it, looks like I'm wrong, she's looking much more like a troll now!
Time to ignore this thread I think.
jord070
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20 Aug 2007 7:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by oceangirl

quote:
Originally posted by hardie


Same thing happened to me with kiting. On my second lesson, I got launched with the instructor holding onto me, yelling at me to pull the safety release which failed, feeling the full force of a kite, how easy it would be to get killed, just crapped myself. I had kitemares all that night, cancelled my 3rd lesson, and have never gone back to it. I never got to the STOKE of kiting which all the kiters talk about, so I had no incentive or motivation to go back to it. When people talk about how safe kiting is these days, I immediately have a flashback to that event, where I thought I would be killed and the safety release just failed on me.



Poor Hardie, I feel your mental anguish. You'll get no sympathy from Dr Mark. Just the same naive advice that I received. His simplistic recommendation to 'don't panic'.
He doesn't understand because he hasn't been personally affected.
He brushes off my mental heath care with his usual dismissive contempt.



just remember ocean girl, mark had the intention of helping you at the beggining, but as we got further and further into this thread, and it became aparent that you wouldn't listen to any ones advice, yes, it got very anoing and you were becoming a pain in the a##.
another thing, most people who where is this kind of situation told you that the best thing to do is not to panic, so mark had a very good point, and most of us supported that. so before you start criticizing things like that, think about everyones first intentions, and keep on reading, because as it gets further and further into it, people started to turn on you because you wernt listening, and where being ignorant. although i agree in some respects as in mark being a bit of a ****er, i still agree with most of what he says, and i believe that he has alot more knowledge than you do about the sport. any way i agree with decrepit, you are becoming the troll. and we should leave this threat,
oceangirl
oceangirl
WA
35 posts
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20 Aug 2007 8:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

OK I admit it, looks like I'm wrong, she's looking much more like a troll now!
Time to ignore this thread I think.



This is a funny old forum. It seems that if you don't agree with the establishment, and if you have a difference of opinion with the forum member hierarchy, then you are called all sorts of bad names and branded a troll, whatever that is ?
Well I'm too goodlooking to be troll like.
But having said that, I've received numerous private mails from many forum members. I didn't reply back to any of them as it is not my policy. However I thank you for all your support, I won't list the names but you know who you are.
I appreciate your efforts. Bye
safetybayboy
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15 posts
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20 Aug 2007 9:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by oceangirl

quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

OK I admit it, looks like I'm wrong, she's looking much more like a troll now!
Time to ignore this thread I think.



This is a funny old forum. It seems that if you don't agree with the establishment, and if you have a difference of opinion with the forum member hierarchy, then you are called all sorts of bad names and branded a troll, whatever that is ?
Well I'm too goodlooking to be troll like.
But having said that, I've received numerous private mails from many forum members. I didn't reply back to any of them as it is not my policy. However I thank you for all your support, I won't list the names but you know who you are.
I appreciate your efforts. Bye



You give your self away to easily bloke, I think I know you; check your own posts out: I did, look what I found, look at the dates, and what you say about stuff, sounds like a kitesurfer trying to start trouble with the poley's, we just don't need this stuff between the 2 sports, I do both and love both!!!!!!!

Look what I found, I think I know the bugger, It's the same language he uses when you hear him talk:



Posted 24/07/2005, 2:37 pm

You want humans with that?
Posted 25/08/2006, 6:22 pm

you know when you're majorly overpowered,
when you've got a monkey on your back.

Posted 25/08/2006, 6:34 pm

quote:

Originally posted by oceangirl

you know when you're majorly overpowered,
when you've got a monkey on your back.



Freako kitechick

This in response to sinkers neck accident

Posted 05/08/2007, 7:22 pm

speed kills. I just like to cruise.

Posted 26/08/2005, 8:54 am

I deserve to get a free stash of WindWarrior gear because I am good looking, a great windsurfer and I'm sick of being naked!

Should I name and shame, or is that too humiliating, though I'm not a 100% sure so better not.



mineral1
mineral1
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4564 posts
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20 Aug 2007 9:36pm
quote:
Originally posted by safetybayboy

quote:
Originally posted by oceangirl

quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

OK I admit it, looks like I'm wrong, she's looking much more like a troll now!
Time to ignore this thread I think.



This is a funny old forum. It seems that if you don't agree with the establishment, and if you have a difference of opinion with the forum member hierarchy, then you are called all sorts of bad names and branded a troll, whatever that is ?
Well I'm too goodlooking to be troll like.
But having said that, I've received numerous private mails from many forum members. I didn't reply back to any of them as it is not my policy. However I thank you for all your support, I won't list the names but you know who you are.
I appreciate your efforts. Bye



You give your self away to easily bloke, I think I know you; check your own posts out: I did, look what I found, look at the dates, and what you say about stuff, sounds like a kitesurfer trying to start trouble with the poley's, we just don't need this stuff between the 2 sports, I do both and love both!!!!!!!

Look what I found, I think I know the bugger, It's the same language he uses when you hear him talk:



Posted 24/07/2005, 2:37 pm

You want humans with that?
Posted 25/08/2006, 6:22 pm

you know when you're majorly overpowered,
when you've got a monkey on your back.

Posted 25/08/2006, 6:34 pm

quote:

Originally posted by oceangirl

you know when you're majorly overpowered,
when you've got a monkey on your back.



Freako kitechick

This in response to sinkers neck accident

Posted 05/08/2007, 7:22 pm

speed kills. I just like to cruise.

Posted 26/08/2005, 8:54 am

I deserve to get a free stash of WindWarrior gear because I am good looking, a great windsurfer and I'm sick of being naked!

Should I name and shame, or is that too humiliating, though I'm not a 100% sure so better not.






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