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The Gong Allvator SUP/Surf foil

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Created by colas > 9 months ago, 5 Sep 2018
Youngbreezy
WA, 531 posts
4 Feb 2019 8:23PM
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Hi thanks for the reply, with the vat taken out they certainly are a very good price

exiled
237 posts
5 Feb 2019 4:43AM
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Got my tracking number for a XL/XXL set. Getting hyped.

sweats
53 posts
5 Feb 2019 4:46AM
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My XXL wing has just arrived. Impressed!!!


Mwstard
67 posts
5 Feb 2019 5:13AM
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Wow, thats some wingspan. You'll be flying :-)

sweats
53 posts
5 Feb 2019 5:20AM
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Only just fitted in the shed !

icharus
53 posts
6 Feb 2019 1:19AM
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sweats said..
Only just fitted in the shed !


I have my shed opposite a path down the side of my house guess what ? its only 90cm away ! I could just get the 80 down the gap - so I now have to take the foil completely apart to get to my Van! Can't wait to get it on the water tomorrow

Hdip
30 posts
7 Feb 2019 6:10AM
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I'm currently riding a 2018 Naish Thrust Large, with a WestCoastFoilClub 4'8" and prone surfing. Which size Gongfoil is the prone surf foil?

I'm getting pretty interested in downwind runs. Which size Gongfoil would you suggest for downwind? I realize I'd probably need another board too, been watching craigslist for that.

Oh yeah, I'm 6'1" and 185#.

juandesooka
253 posts
7 Feb 2019 7:33AM
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A buddy has just been bitten by foil bug, borrowing our gear to get started. He needs a SUP and foil. I convinced him that Gong right now is the best deal out there for a combo and he finally bit the bullet and ordered. But then order cancelled: apparentlyGong won't ship SUPs to North America. Heart breaker!

Fishdude
55 posts
7 Feb 2019 10:43AM
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juandesooka said..
A buddy has just been bitten by foil bug, borrowing our gear to get started. He needs a SUP and foil. I convinced him that Gong right now is the best deal out there for a combo and he finally bit the bullet and ordered. But then order cancelled: apparentlyGong won't ship SUPs to North America. Heart breaker!





They do ship to US. Could bea shipping or bank thing. They send message so they can get you the exact shipping. The web site automatically send the EU shipping cost not the oversees cost.

Also sometimes your bank will deny payment oversee flages most cridet cards

Likely ome of those

exiled
237 posts
7 Feb 2019 12:59PM
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They ship foils but not boards.

juandesooka
253 posts
7 Feb 2019 1:09PM
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Fishdude said..

juandesooka said..
A buddy has just been bitten by foil bug, borrowing our gear to get started. He needs a SUP and foil. I convinced him that Gong right now is the best deal out there for a combo and he finally bit the bullet and ordered. But then order cancelled: apparentlyGong won't ship SUPs to North America. Heart breaker!






They do ship to US. Could bea shipping or bank thing. They send message so they can get you the exact shipping. The web site automatically send the EU shipping cost not the oversees cost.

Also sometimes your bank will deny payment oversee flages most cridet cards

Likely ome of those


Appreciate the tip, passed on to my friend, he has the stoke again. Both shipping issue and credit card declined ... so hopefully both can be worked out. Seems odd they would ship to USA but not Canada, but I can pick up for him in USA too if need be. My only problem with helping him out: he'll be better than me in about 10 sessions, and that's gonna hurt. ;-)

colas
3313 posts
7 Feb 2019 3:31PM
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juandesooka said..
the best deal out there for a combo and he finally bit the bullet and ordered.



If by a "combo" you mean board + foil, as exiled said they will not ship boards for normal customers. He should be able to just buy the foil.

Do not hesitate to contact them. Gong has now nearly 20 employees, all loving and practicing surf/SUP/kite/foil, with at least 4 dedicated to answer customer requests.

colas
3313 posts
7 Feb 2019 3:38PM
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Hdip said..
I'm currently riding a 2018 Naish Thrust Large, with a WestCoastFoilClub 4'8" and prone surfing. Which size Gongfoil is the prone surf foil?

I'm getting pretty interested in downwind runs. Which size Gongfoil would you suggest for downwind? I realize I'd probably need another board too, been watching craigslist for that.

Oh yeah, I'm 6'1" and 185#.



The SUP and prone surf foils are exactly the same. They come in M (70cm) L (80cm) XL (90cm) and XXL (100cm). for the main wing. There is only one stab size.

Basically, for lightweights (<80kg) M is for surfing and XL for downwinding, otherwise L + XXL. But of course it depends on technique and intended use, etc...
So I guess that for you, the XXL would be the downwind choice.

For ease of pumping, you can put a kitefoil stab (they come in 2 sizes: 40 and 45cm), but it is not advised for learning, it is noticeably less stable and more dangerous (sharper edge). I dont know if it would help in downinding.

colas
3313 posts
7 Feb 2019 5:49PM
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FYI, the foil SUP boards ("Zuma") were all pre-sold one month before the first shipment. This explains why they do not want to risk the trouble selling them outside of Europe, since they cannot cope with the European demand anyways...

juandesooka
253 posts
8 Feb 2019 1:42AM
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Thanks Colas. That's disappointing. The radness in this deal was that the package pricing means more or less means the foil is free, relative to what other packages cost. My buddy is starting out, overwhelmed by options, and will probably end up seeking a package deal from somewhere. The foils alone are a pretty good deal, I don't know if he'll be convinced.

BTW, surface areas of wings from Gong site: cm2 projected/developed
L: 1642/1926
XL: 1844/2137
XXL: 2175/2487

icharus
53 posts
8 Feb 2019 1:50AM
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I think I solved the zuma footstrap placement question - the xxl allvator definitely flies better with your rear foot well behind the mast ( is this a thing with bigger foils?) common sense tells me that the pumping action will work better if you see-saw either side of the mast.

warwickl
NSW, 1194 posts
8 Feb 2019 5:55AM
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icharus said..
I think I solved the zuma footstrap placement question - the xxl allvator definitely flies better with your rear foot well behind the mast ( is this a thing with bigger foils?) common sense tells me that the pumping action will work better if you see-saw either side of the mast.


Or is it either side of the center of lift which may be different?

colas
3313 posts
8 Feb 2019 2:09PM
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icharus said..
I think I solved the zuma footstrap placement question - the xxl allvator definitely flies better with your rear foot well behind the mast ( is this a thing with bigger foils?) common sense tells me that the pumping action will work better if you see-saw either side of the mast.


Didn't try the XXL wing yet, but yes, all people having them said they had to adjust their position to fly with them compared to the smaller ones.

I know Beryl puts his rear foot before the mast to pump on take off, then puts it behind for turning. Also he unweights his rear foot a lot on pumping, only the toes are touching the board at times.

colas
3313 posts
11 Feb 2019 9:46PM
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Video tour of the Zuma.
FSP = full PVC sandwich, 3mm deck & rails + 5mm bottom

Hdip
30 posts
12 Feb 2019 12:30PM
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Has anyone gone back and forth from the 70cm to the 80cm to compare the two? I'm prone foiling and want the 80cm but am worried I'll miss the size and maneuverability of my current wing Naish Large, which is comparable to the 70 cm.

Clamsmasha
WA, 73 posts
12 Feb 2019 2:09PM
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Hdip said..
Has anyone gone back and forth from the 70cm to the 80cm to compare the two? I'm prone foiling and want the 80cm but am worried I'll miss the size and maneuverability of my current wing Naish Large, which is comparable to the 70 cm.


I was going between 60 and 70 a while back..I thought it was all positive on the bigger mast, less breach more glide, more pump.

im in some very marginal shallow water though and the 10cm meant extra ploughing of the reef whilst paddling

colas
3313 posts
12 Feb 2019 4:12PM
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Clamsmasha, Hdip was speaking of the wing size (span).

Hdip, I don't know, I haven't used the Naish. It depends on your weight and conditions I guess.

I encourage you to ask the question on the Gong forum, maybe some people here have compared the 2 wing sizes.

Clamsmasha
WA, 73 posts
12 Feb 2019 6:56PM
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colas said..
Clamsmasha, Hdip was speaking of the wing size (span).

Hdip, I don't know, I haven't used the Naish. It depends on your weight and conditions I guess.

I encourage you to ask the question on the Gong forum, maybe some people here have compared the 2 wing sizes.


Ah yes, sorry it all makes sense now.

Filow
79 posts
12 Feb 2019 7:36PM
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Any possible comparaison with the GO FOIL Maliko ?

I am interested in the Gong Foil but I am worried about the tail that is not elevating like the one on the Maliko

any opinion ? Does the GO Foil configuration mean you ll fly earlier with less speed ?

Fishdude
55 posts
12 Feb 2019 10:44PM
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Filow said..
Any possible comparaison with the GO FOIL Maliko ?

I am interested in the Gong Foil but I am worried about the tail that is not elevating like the one on the Maliko

any opinion ? Does the GO Foil configuration mean you ll fly earlier with less speed ?



Why do you you think that about the Gong horizontal stab? The Gong stabilizer looks to have about 5-8 degrees of angle to help provide AOA lift.

Filow
79 posts
13 Feb 2019 12:35AM
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That mean it lift as much as the Go Foil ? Anybody tried the Gong and the Go Foil ?

Fishdude
55 posts
13 Feb 2019 2:56AM
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Filow said..
That mean it lift as much as the Go Foil ?


No it doesn't mean that. They could have simular lift... but surface area, shape and angle... all effect the leveraging force on the front wing. Then you also have the AOA of the front wing...

Also the Allvator has 3 different stabilizers that could fit.

Filow
79 posts
13 Feb 2019 4:11AM
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AOA ?

Hdip
30 posts
13 Feb 2019 4:23AM
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Angle of attack.

Fishdude
55 posts
13 Feb 2019 4:24AM
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Angle Of Attack. Look it up. It has to do with the front wings stationary position in relationship to the fusalge and...



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